On 12/07/2023 at 03:35, titan_uranus said:

Whatever you think of Brown, you might be interested to know that his 2023 season averages in most metrics are higher than Schache's career averages (disposals, marks, goals, score involvements).

Ben Brown and Josh Schache AFL Stats Comparison (footywire.com)

Both underwhelming if you ask me - it is the reason I was always keen to try and make it work with Petty inside F50 - at least he will provide a strong contest both in the air and on the ground.

  On 12/07/2023 at 02:47, Sydee said:

I'm really concerned if they persist with bombing long into F50 Andrews will have a field day and set up attacks repeatedly.

BB has not shown any ability to take contested marks, nor has he demonstrated any real ability to chase or tackle effectively when the ball is in dispute or in the opposition's possession. I know some people will not agree but personally I think we'd be better served playing JVR or even Schache over BB atm.

 

BBB and JVR are not exactly super athletes.  I dont think you can have more than 1 of these  individuals in the same side (couple with Gawndy). That doesn't mean they don't compete in the contest but what they both lack is athleticism - BBB more so than JVR. 

J.Smith is both an aerial threat and is very athletic, but unfortunately lacks a bit of skill and intelligence.  Think of J.Cameron, Curnow. Not saying we need to have someone that talented (wouldnt hurt), but playing that role is what we are in desperate need of. TMac in his prime would play this role extremely well, which consequently helped us win a flag. He was competitive on the wings, provided a target to kick to and was reasonably smart with i50 delivery. We are trying to get one of Gawn / BBB to now play that role and they just lack in too many of the areas.

IMV J.Smith is better suited to that role. The only way BBB and JVR play in the same forward line is when there is no Gawndy. 

  On 12/07/2023 at 02:39, leave it to deever said:

Kozzie and Chandler at their peak game are match winners.

To see them both back in great form is vital.

I think their form can be reflected a lot in just the pure forward lineup instability and insanity of our forward entries this season.

I hope JVR, BB, Koz and Chandler (with Fritta missing at the moment) are just put in the same side sooner than later and given 4 continuous weeks of decent delivery to get into a solid goal kicking, match winning groove together.

  On 12/07/2023 at 02:47, Sydee said:

I'm really concerned if they persist with bombing long into F50 Andrews will have a field day and set up attacks repeatedly.

BB has not shown any ability to take contested marks, nor has he demonstrated any real ability to chase or tackle effectively when the ball is in dispute or in the opposition's possession. I know some people will not agree but personally I think we'd be better served playing JVR or even Schache over BB atm.

 

For some reason, when I read that post the name Oxley sprung to mind .... 

  On 12/07/2023 at 03:48, Gawndy the Great said:

BBB and JVR are not exactly super athletes.  I dont think you can have more than 1 of these  individuals in the same side (couple with Gawndy). That doesn't mean they don't compete in the contest but what they both lack is athleticism - BBB more so than JVR. 

J.Smith is both an aerial threat and is very athletic, but unfortunately lacks a bit of skill and intelligence.  Think of J.Cameron, Curnow. Not saying we need to have someone that talented (wouldnt hurt), but playing that role is what we are in desperate need of. TMac in his prime would play this role extremely well, which consequently helped us win a flag. He was competitive on the wings, provided a target to kick to and was reasonably smart with i50 delivery. We are trying to get one of Gawn / BBB to now play that role and they just lack in too many of the areas.

IMV J.Smith is better suited to that role. The only way BBB and JVR play in the same forward line is when there is no Gawndy. 

I think this underrates JVR a bit, he’s no lumbering dinosaur. 

Smith isn’t the answer either, he’s kicked 4 goals in 33 games over 6 seasons, admittedly he’s been a defender for a lot of those games but he’s played forward too and he’s not going to morph into Russell Robertson between now and GF day.

Its BBB & JVR for mine, Fritsch hopefully back for finals, TMac can fight for a spot if his ankle comes good too but Smith & Schache are only injury coverage from now on for me. 

  On 12/07/2023 at 03:48, Gawndy the Great said:

BBB and JVR are not exactly super athletes.  I dont think you can have more than 1 of these  individuals in the same side (couple with Gawndy). That doesn't mean they don't compete in the contest but what they both lack is athleticism - BBB more so than JVR. 

J.Smith is both an aerial threat and is very athletic, but unfortunately lacks a bit of skill and intelligence.  Think of J.Cameron, Curnow. Not saying we need to have someone that talented (wouldnt hurt), but playing that role is what we are in desperate need of. TMac in his prime would play this role extremely well, which consequently helped us win a flag. He was competitive on the wings, provided a target to kick to and was reasonably smart with i50 delivery. We are trying to get one of Gawn / BBB to now play that role and they just lack in too many of the areas.

IMV J.Smith is better suited to that role. The only way BBB and JVR play in the same forward line is when there is no Gawndy. 

Yeah nah, JVR is pretty good at ground level. He leads well, recovers quickly from marking contests, lots of second efforts and tackling efforts. He's better at ground level than both Fritta and BB (or Sache for that matter).
 

Really hoping Dunkley misses this week who is currently listed as an outside chance. He's the ultimate two way player that has elevated their midfield this year. 

Oliver and Fritta will be clearly missed.

However Oliver missed our benchmark win over Collingwood and hopefully BBB and Melksham can replace the 3 goals that Fritta kicked that day and more, while Kozzie could potentially go from 0 to 3 to get us to the 12-14 goal mark.

13 goals on Friday night footy in July should get the job done, and we managed 26 scoring shots on Kings BDAY.   

  On 12/07/2023 at 05:47, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Really hoping Dunkley misses this week who is currently listed as an outside chance. He's the ultimate two way player that has elevated their midfield this year. 

Oliver and Fritta will be clearly missed.

However Oliver missed our benchmark win over Collingwood and hopefully BBB and Melksham can replace the 3 goals that Fritta kicked that day and more, while Kozzie could potentially go from 0 to 3 to get us to the 12-14 goal mark.

13 goals on Friday night footy in July should get the job done, and we managed 26 scoring shots on Kings BDAY.   

Would you take 4 goals from BBB and Melksham combined if it were offered right now? 

I have nothing new to add but want to reiterate how critical a good performance is this week. It will be build momentum and confidence leading into a run of winnable games at the G. I agree with @binman that the FD also sees it this way and will give the team the best chance to win the match like we did against the Pies.

 

Edited July 12, 20231 yr by Stu

  On 12/07/2023 at 05:58, layzie said:

Would you take 4 goals from BBB and Melksham combined if it were offered right now? 

👍

  On 12/07/2023 at 05:58, layzie said:

Would you take 4 goals from BBB and Melksham combined if it were offered right now? 

I would and that's probably as about as much as we can expect from these two given their inconsistent/interrupted seasons.

Kozzie, Spargo and the mids needs to contribute on the scoreboard. Another 2 from Sparrow would be invaluable.

  On 12/07/2023 at 06:19, Stu said:

good performance is this week.

Stu, do you mean that literally, or do you really mean 'a win'?

  On 12/07/2023 at 03:55, Brownie said:

I think their form can be reflected a lot in just the pure forward lineup instability and insanity of our forward entries this season.

I hope JVR, BB, Koz and Chandler (with Fritta missing at the moment) are just put in the same side sooner than later and given 4 continuous weeks of decent delivery to get into a solid goal kicking, match winning groove together.

I get the feeling Kozzie is way down on confidence.  I would like to see that line up too but not sure if Kozzie should be dropped. Do we roll the dice with some out of form players?Maybe it's too late in the season not too. At least Bbb showed some good signs 

Those happy with Browns performance last week have low standards

Sounds weird but I’d love to see Kozzie and bowey swap positions as something left field, even for a quarter.

Every time I see Bowser at training he is slotting them through from all angles , and I’d hate to be a small forward being chased by Koz.

Might give him a new lease on life ala Nick Daicos and be more creative.

 

  On 12/07/2023 at 00:22, rpfc said:

Love how someone getting a LACERATED KIDNEY is getting ‘his body is falling him’ critiques…

Like the nuffies are sitting saying “I knew it, the kidneys are always the first to go”

Hibberd is done when I say he’s done.

 

Ed Note: rpfc still plays at 38 and is sensitive to the subject.

Good on you for still going around rpfc. Few good years left!!

  On 12/07/2023 at 07:17, Engorged Onion said:

Stu, do you mean that literally, or do you really mean 'a win'?

I meant it literally, like the cliche that the performance is more important than the result. But now that I think about it I do just want the win, and hopefully one that is convincing! 

  On 12/07/2023 at 07:31, Roost it far said:

Those happy with Browns performance last week have low standards

2nd game back, I'm happy to give him another week or two 

Grundy in doubt

Mitch Cleary saying Grundy in doubt.

  On 12/07/2023 at 09:01, dazzledavey36 said:

Mitch Cleary saying Grundy in doubt.

Any details or context given?

  On 12/07/2023 at 09:01, dazzledavey36 said:

Mitch Cleary saying Grundy in doubt.

Whilst he’s actually playing better than Max, this is the sort of out which forces your hand for the better. Somewhat similar to Fagan having to free Daniher up. Might make us a little more mobile and see us move the ball quicker in transition 

I think Grundy in doubt is a good thing

 

 

Edited July 12, 20231 yr by At the break of Gawn

  On 12/07/2023 at 09:09, Roost it far said:

I think Grundy in doubt is a good thing

How so