CASEY: Rd 11 vs Southport

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 4,639]

Just watched the bit of the last quarter I missed. Noticed the coupla good things Benny did in the last minutes, but particularly noticed his personal and team-directed happiness after the siren.

Great club man. Happy to be involved and doing his bit wherever that may be.

[Bystander 895]

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Very impressive 2nd half from Grey.

Attended a number of CBs and looked 'ok'.

Pushed forward for some quality involvements and goals then a fab marking attempt that resulted in a free on the boundary late in the final quarter was very gutsy to hold up play and get us going towards 50.

Shown some very good signs in patches in a number of other games over the years but today was another level imho.

What do the Casey experts think and where are we at here in terms of getting him on our list?

It surprised me that some of the non listed players go well measured against full time professionals. Grey is one of them.

Grey seems to be pretty much equal on both feet and his disposal efficiency is elite.

His second goal today was on his left.

[bush demon 1,975]

7 hours ago, Brownie said:

There seems to be a lot more selfishness in the forward 50 as well. 

I was stunned at Frittas snap goal when Chandler was standing all by himself in the goal square last night.

I was just waiting and waiting for someone to say this. It was a seriously selfish moment, papered over by the fact that we won the '21 premiership and the correct dribbling of the ball. If he had missed that goal it would have been a very bad look. Still, saying all this Fritta is a serious class act. Now, onwards to Kysiah and his penchant for spoiling JVR and Gawny's marking attempts.

[picket fence 16,539]

12 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Don't understand as a supposed Melb. supporter why you would continually bag a 19 year old kid?  Just bizarre. And while you're at it, listen to your inner voice, the one that tells you to STFU.

Just to iterate a couple of facts about Matt Jefferson....

A heck of a nice kid with strong values and upbringing. A guy who takes in coaches comments and strives to get better. A loyal bloke that loves his mates. A sticky fingered one grab player, A mainly dead eye kick. Yep he is as skinny as a Greyhound, and needs to put on weight and he will. BUT he is young and will learn and l'll tell you something else about him, when he makes the papers it will be for all the right reasons unlike many who's indescretions are cringeworthy and reek of entitlement and lack of moral fibre. He may or may not make it but I"ll guarantee he will give it 100% and respect the club and game!

[MrFreeze 1,805]

9 hours ago, rjay said:

He kicked a goal that he's paid to kick, did kick & would kick every day of the week.

I would rather Fritsch take the shot than start 2nd guessing himself.

 

Fritta using his desired left foot is much better than lugging a 30m handball to chandler in the square 

[waynewussell 4,639]

James Jordan had played 9 games up to round 11, 2023. Some of those were as Sub, with limited game time. In games where he played 66% or higher his stats look like this...

Round   Disp.      Marks       Goals        Tkl.         C. Poss                     %

   3           21             8              1             3               6                           80

   6           17             4              1             2               3                           66

   7           22             4             0             1                7                           83

   8           17             2              1             3                5                           67

[YearOfTheDees 3,223]

Jordans goal was special.

 

 

[Roger Mellie 3,841]

43 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Jordans goal was special.

 

 

I liked the commentator's comment after the goal - 'That's going straight to the pool room'.

[Demon Dynasty 17,001]

13 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Just watched the bit of the last quarter I missed. Noticed the coupla good things Benny did in the last minutes, but particularly noticed his personal and team-directed happiness after the siren.

Great club man. Happy to be involved and doing his bit wherever that may be.

Had a few quiet periods but he was involved in a few chains and assists that resulted in goals.

Love to know what his score involvements and goal assists were.

If he isn't marking on a lead his mere height and reach often results in oppo defenders panicking.  They sometimes end up chopping arms etc in an attempt to spoil resulting in the odd free and shot at goal, often from very good angles as we witnessed in this match.

Put a nice pass into Schache at one stage from memory who goaled?

Took a very nice pack mark from behind on another occasion.

A chopped arm free on another occasion that he slotted.

Defensively his biggest weakness is of course when ball hits ground but a VG coach will recognise this and adjust structures around the drop and behind the ball in an attempt to limit the damage where possible but also use it as an opportunity for quality mediums to crumb & goal.

His overall game was certainly nothing outstanding but BB rarely kicks a bag.

Often consistent though with a bit of an off year last season.  Goal averages

2023 > 3.0

2022 > 1.6

2021 > 1.9

There must be a reason/s he isn't getting a game till now and the FD obviously have alot more they see and know within the four walls that we have no idea about.

Having said that if he did manage to tick 90% of all the boxes bar defending ground ball (including loading and fitness KPIs etc)....i'd be bringing him straight in for a small this week which we've had too many of IMHO.  Either that or he comes in for Joel.  Somewhat unfair on Joel probably but had his chance and failed to impact the scoreboard. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[58er 5,822]

3 hours ago, MrFreeze said:

Fritta using his desired left foot is much better than lugging a 30m handball to chandler in the square 

Mr Freeze and rjay 

Yout attempts to justify, gloss over ( or ignore) Fritta's yet again selfishness in not playing proper team footy are laughable . 

Of course Fritta is paid to kick goals but so is Chandler  and any other Dees player. You don't pick and choose who you handpass to in that situation but DO THE TEAM THING. 

Whst will  happen is that lack of team play spreads as another player will do it AND before it dreamt cu of you know it NO ONE will go to goal square like Chandler to get the handball and the shot will be missed and we will burn a goal and LOSE a game.

Your reasons are irrelevant and no excuse for any other than team play at AFL level. Team rules are king. 

 

[DeeSpencer 24,412]

14 hours ago, Brownie said:

There seems to be a lot more selfishness in the forward 50 as well. 

I was stunned at Frittas snap goal when Chandler was standing all by himself in the goal square last night.

I’m as harsh on Fritsch as anyone but he got the ball completely blind to Chandler’s location swinging on to his left with pressure closing. Absolutely no issue with him kicking that one. Fritsch has been far less selfish the last 2 weeks too.

Every situation is different and that was one to kick the goal. 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

6 hours ago, bush demon said:

I was just waiting and waiting for someone to say this. It was a seriously selfish moment, papered over by the fact that we won the '21 premiership and the correct dribbling of the ball. If he had missed that goal it would have been a very bad look. Still, saying all this Fritta is a serious class act. Now, onwards to Kysiah and his penchant for spoiling JVR and Gawny's marking attempts.

I'm not sure what this is doing under the Casey thread, but I disagree with the assessment of Fritsch being selfish in this instance. The fact is he was under pressure, it would have been extremely hard to get a handball over the top to Chandler and there was an open goal square. I can understand Chandler being upset given his goalkicking woes of late, but for me Fritsch took the right option. Imv this whole Fritsch being selfish thing is a media beat-up. A couple of isolated instances. I just wish everyone would get off his back. What he brings to the team is crucial (thanks though to you for also acknowledging he is a class act). 

I agree with you about Pickett. We don't need him flying against our talls. He should be positioning himself to get the knock-downs.

[DeeSpencer 24,412]

14 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Very impressive 2nd half from Grey.

Attended a number of CBs and looked 'ok'.

Pushed forward for some quality involvements and goals then a fab marking attempt that resulted in a free on the boundary late in the final quarter was very gutsy to hold up play and get us going towards 50.

Shown some very good signs in patches in a number of other games over the years but today was another level imho.

What do the Casey experts think and where are we at here in terms of getting him on our list?

I like George, and he has weeks where I’m stunned he’s not on an AFL list because he has a touch of class to go with what appears to be a good work rate and attack on the ball.

But at the same time I don’t think he’s got enough speed to use it as a weapon, is on the smaller side for a mid or flanker without a leap or sticky hands, hasn’t established himself as a consistent midfielder and isn’t an absolutely standout ball user. 

There’s probably a number of lesser players getting games at AFL level this week but with list spots so hard to come by I’m not entirely sure Grey will get one 

[rjay 24,475]

30 minutes ago, 58er said:

Mr Freeze and rjay 

Yout attempts to justify, gloss over ( or ignore) Fritta's yet again selfishness in not playing proper team footy are laughable . 

Of course Fritta is paid to kick goals but so is Chandler  and any other Dees player. You don't pick and choose who you handpass to in that situation but DO THE TEAM THING. 

Whst will  happen is that lack of team play spreads as another player will do it AND before it dreamt cu of you know it NO ONE will go to goal square like Chandler to get the handball and the shot will be missed and we will burn a goal and LOSE a game.

Your reasons are irrelevant and no excuse for any other than team play at AFL level. Team rules are king. 

 

Give it a break mate...don't call an opinion that is not in agreement with yours laughable.

Hardly an intelligent call.

Last year a lot got on the bandwagon re Bailey and they like you are way off the mark.

That was an easy shot for him and he took it.

He didn't burn Kade, he did one time last year with Trac...

...and the whole thing got blown up in the media.

I don't want to see players continually burning each other and this is not that.

I likewise don't want Bailey 2nd guessing himself.

 

[Redleg 39,663]

14 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Just watched the bit of the last quarter I missed. Noticed the coupla good things Benny did in the last minutes, but particularly noticed his personal and team-directed happiness after the siren.

Great club man. Happy to be involved and doing his bit wherever that may be.

Where did you watch it?

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

4 hours ago, waynewussell said:

James Jordan had played 9 games up to round 11, 2023. Some of those were as Sub, with limited game time. In games where he played 66% or higher his stats look like this...

Round   Disp.      Marks       Goals        Tkl.         C. Poss                     %

   3           21             8              1             3               6                           80

   6           17             4              1             2               3                           66

   7           22             4             0             1                7                           83

   8           17             2              1             3                5                           67

For me JJ should be in Melbourne's side every week, preferably in the 22, but at least as sub. Giving the club the benefit of the doubt, maybe the idea was to give him a full game for Casey this week, rather than a partial game for Melbourne, and with Casey playing in Queensland and Melbourne playing at the MCG on Friday night this was the way to do it.  I can't understand Melbourne putting Harmes ahead of JJ for so many reasons. Anyway, Harmes won't be playing this week.

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 4,639]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Where did you watch it?

https://www.afl.com.au/fixture?Competition=7&CompSeason=55&MatchTimezone=MY_TIME&Regions=2&ShowBettingOdds=1&GameWeeks=11&Teams=88&Venues=70#byround

...and scroll down to the game and click on videos.

[Redleg 39,663]

1 minute ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

https://www.afl.com.au/fixture?Competition=7&CompSeason=55&MatchTimezone=MY_TIME&Regions=2&ShowBettingOdds=1&GameWeeks=11&Teams=88&Venues=70#byround

...and scroll down to the game and click on videos.

Thanks didn’t realise they did VFL replays.

[kev martin 9,449]

54 minutes ago, 58er said:

Mr Freeze and rjay 

Yout attempts to justify, gloss over ( or ignore) Fritta's yet again selfishness in not playing proper team footy are laughable . 

Of course Fritta is paid to kick goals but so is Chandler  and any other Dees player. You don't pick and choose who you handpass to in that situation but DO THE TEAM THING. 

Whst will  happen is that lack of team play spreads as another player will do it AND before it dreamt cu of you know it NO ONE will go to goal square like Chandler to get the handball and the shot will be missed and we will burn a goal and LOSE a game.

Your reasons are irrelevant and no excuse for any other than team play at AFL level. Team rules are king. 

 

Isn't this discussion in the wrong thread?

If you take it to the post Carlton game post, I would offer my opinion.

Edited June 4, 2023 by kev martin

[Timothy Reddan-A'Blew 4,639]

Just now, Redleg said:

Thanks didn’t realise they did VFL replays.

p.s. Using the link instead of navigating through AFL sites, I think you have to download, open, then switch from 'offline' to 'online'. And it's 'Match videos' rather than 'Videos'. Full replay is 2nd or 3rd vid down.

[Jaded No More 66,372]

15 hours ago, Brownie said:

There seems to be a lot more selfishness in the forward 50 as well. 

I was stunned at Frittas snap goal when Chandler was standing all by himself in the goal square last night.

Me too, BUT Fritta needed that goal. His goal kicking has gone off the rails and it has to be mental now.
Kicking that low percentage one was good for his confidence and he was better all around after that shot went in. 

[Demonstone 21,348]

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Kicking that low percentage one

I'd have to disagree on that one, @Jaded No More.

He had plenty of space, the goals were wide open, the angle was favourable for his left foot and the chances of kicking it were high IMO.  Fritta did exactly what he is paid to do.

[Cranky Franky 1,750]

25 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I'd have to disagree on that one, @Jaded No More.

He had plenty of space, the goals were wide open, the angle was favourable for his left foot and the chances of kicking it were high IMO.  Fritta did exactly what he is paid to do.

All good forwards have to back themselves. Fritta did the right thing.

[Jaded No More 66,372]

27 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I'd have to disagree on that one, @Jaded No More.

He had plenty of space, the goals were wide open, the angle was favourable for his left foot and the chances of kicking it were high IMO.  Fritta did exactly what he is paid to do.

Well in terms of how he’s been kicking them, it was low percentage and he had Chin free in the square. 
As I said I have no issues with him going for it because he needed it for his confidence. He’s been so off with his goal kicking these last 3 weeks. 
 

I also have no issues with Kosi going for those low percentage pocket kicks either. You just don’t want players doing it if they have a teammate standing alone in the goal square. 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Jaded No More

[DeeSpencer 24,412]

38 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Me too, BUT Fritta needed that goal. His goal kicking has gone off the rails and it has to be mental now.
Kicking that low percentage one was good for his confidence and he was better all around after that shot went in. 

He had kicked the previous Melbourne goal to that one! 

‘I need a goal’ is a terrible justification for selfish play. No matter your own personal form or confidence you should do the team thing and it will come back around to you.

I just don’t think it was selfish given when and where he received the ball. Having waited under a lofty handball he couldnt have been certain Chandler wasn’t covered and he had to make a split second decision turn in board and handball or roll to his preferred side and kick. If he was a right footer I’d expect a handball but once he went left it became harder to see and pass it off.

As a team our forwards need to learn how to share the ball with handballs and create space for each other to get better shots. Really in this situation JVR should’ve gone to Sparrow who then would’ve had 2 on 1 to walk it in. But it’s not always that perfect and JVR and Fritsch both went direct to goal, nothing wrong with that.

Our forwards also need to learn how to block for each other and how to lead up to create space too. A lot of to work on more than Fritter dribbling in an open goal.