NON-MFC: Rd 07 2023

[deva5610 970]

48 minutes ago, Webber said:

I’ve been watching footy all my 5 decades, and this is the best last quarter team I’ve ever seen.

7 rounds in. Total 4th quarter scores.

Collingwood - 191 Points.

Melbourne - 243 Points.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

3 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

The only consolation was the Toiges losing, and the Swans losing.

 

and most importantly Fremantle losing. 

[Clintosaurus 6,665]

5 minutes ago, Floody100 said:

 

This lovefest for a team that hasn’t won a premiership in over a decade is nauseating.

Don’t get me wrong they’re good but there’s definitely some flaws in their game that can easily be exploited.

Exactly. The media [censored] and oppo supporters buying it is ridiculous. 

[DEE fence 4,558]

Collingwood has it's strengths but hardly Essendon 2000, or Brisbane/Geelong/Hawthorn in their pomp.  

Our best is still the best going around, by a margin. The biggest factor this year between Pies, Us, Brisbane is the team we are able to put on the park. Saints, love their work but don't see them at the business end with their tall stocks. Am still not a huge fan of Brisbane away from the Gabba. And I think the draw has confused the seedlings early, a larger sample size will see a reshaping of the ladder. 

Love the Pies 'total football' though is very fun to watch, but Melbourne on a roll reminds me of the final battle of Avengers end game, the most ferocious contest, with a devastating result (for others).

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

4 minutes ago, deva5610 said:

7 rounds in. Total 4th quarter scores.

Collingwood - 191 Points.

Melbourne - 243 Points.

Well I think you need to look at both for and against but that has been a plus for Melbourne this year definitely. Of course winning final quarters against Essendon & Brisbane has to be looked at in the context of us losing both games but it all helps the percentage I guess...

[layzie 29,758]

3 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Collingwood has it's strengths but hardly Essendon 2000, or Brisbane/Geelong/Hawthorn in their pomp.  

Our best is still the best going around, by a margin. The biggest factor this year between Pies, Us, Brisbane is the team we are able to put on the park. Saints, love their work but don't see them at the business end with their tall stocks. Am still not a huge fan of Brisbane away from the Gabba. And I think the draw has confused the seedlings early, a larger sample size will see a reshaping of the ladder. 

Love the Pies 'total football' though is very fun to watch, but Melbourne on a roll reminds me of the final battle of Avengers end game, the most ferocious contest, with a devastating result (for others).

Trac is Captain America for sure. Oliver is Iron Man, Max is Thor and May is The Hulk.

[dees189227 11,016]

Feel sorry for any person who catches the same flight back with the feral Collingwood fans.

[layzie 29,758]

1 minute ago, dees189227 said:

Feel sorry for any person who catches the same flight back with the feral Collingwood fans.

At least it's short.

[Demon Disciple 11,133]

13 minutes ago, deva5610 said:

7 rounds in. Total 4th quarter scores.

Collingwood - 191 Points.

Melbourne - 243 Points.

Here’s hoping that the filth are using up all of their luck early in the season, leaving nothing for the end of the year like 2022.

[deva5610 970]

28 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Well I think you need to look at both for and against

Actually that's a great point, so here it is.

Last Quarters - F/A
Collingwood - 191/93
Melbourne - 243/106

I still think in terms of fourth quarters we are as good, if not better than Collingwood. The only reason Collingwood get the media attention is due to the fact it looks exciting because they're always coming back from behind and barely getting the win.

Edited April 30, 2023 by deva5610

[dees189227 11,016]

That win would have pushed Adelaide a few spots up the ladder to.

[ElDiablo14 3,450]

I find solace in the fact that we have been the most efficient team in front of goal so... We should be able to score enough to make it impossible for them to do a come from behind heroic.

Also, our defensive structure and clearance work is much better than the likes of Essendon and Adelaide.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

5 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Collingwood has it's strengths but hardly Essendon 2000, or Brisbane/Geelong/Hawthorn in their pomp.  

Our best is still the best going around, by a margin. The biggest factor this year between Pies, Us, Brisbane is the team we are able to put on the park. Saints, love their work but don't see them at the business end with their tall stocks. Am still not a huge fan of Brisbane away from the Gabba. And I think the draw has confused the seedlings early, a larger sample size will see a reshaping of the ladder. 

Love the Pies 'total football' though is very fun to watch, but Melbourne on a roll reminds me of the final battle of Avengers end game, the most ferocious contest, with a devastating result (for others).

I think this is all a bit irrelevant. Essendon no doubt were the best team by a long way in 2000 but of the 9 premerships won by the other teams 2001-2003, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013-15 the premiers only finished on top of the ladder at the end of the H&A 2 of those years. What matters is probably finishing Top 4, being in form with limited injuries at the right time of the year, and having a bit of luck.

Geelong last year had an incredibly soft draw (they played West Coast & North twice each) and were probably lucky to beat Collingwood in the Qualifying Final. They met Brisbane and Sydney after those teams had had very tough wins and effectively were ripe for the picking. Similarly Melbourne had pretty much everything fall their way in 2021. 

Let's just keep banking the wins, not overreact to a few unexpected losses, not get ahead (or behind) of ourselves, and hopefully we'll be where we need to be at the sharp end of the season.

[DEE fence 4,558]

2 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I think this is all a bit irrelevant. Essendon no doubt were the best team by a long way in 2000 but of the 9 premerships won by the other teams 2001-2003, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2013-15 the premiers only finished on top of the ladder at the end of the H&A 2 of those years. What matters is probably finishing Top 4, being in form with limited injuries at the right time of the year, and having a bit of luck.

Geelong last year had an incredibly soft draw (they played West Coast & North twice each) and were probably lucky to beat Collingwood in the Qualifying Final. They met Brisbane and Sydney after those teams had had very tough wins and effectively were ripe for the picking. Similarly Melbourne had pretty much everything fall their way in 2021. 

Let's just keep banking the wins, not overreact to a few unexpected losses, not get ahead (or behind) of ourselves, and hopefully we'll be where we need to be at the sharp end of the season.

I'm talking about whose 'game' is the best, when 'on', you're not responding to the opinion proferred. Where you finish, and banking wins, of course matters. But I was responding to the thoughts on Collingwood's luck and game style and people saying they're the best in it. Which I don't agree with.

[rpfc 27,637]

36 minutes ago, Billy said:

Happy for him, but what are you getting at?

What do you think he’s getting at?

Bluey doesn’t do subtlety of thought

[The heart beats true 16,485]

I love how Collingwood winning annoys everyone so much that we start arguing with each other.

[Jibroni 4,238]

The way things are shaping Kings Birthday could be the biggest H & A game this year. Great opportunity to demolish the filth on the national stage.

[picket fence 15,551]

27 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Feel sorry for any person who catches the same flight back with the feral Collingwood fans.

Paaàrkin Collingwood parkin lucky Hate them

[DeeZee 6,853]

We will end their party.

[BoBo 2,280]

6 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

The way things are shaping Kings Birthday could be the biggest H & A game this year. Great opportunity to demolish the filth on the national stage.

Hopefully we show up to the game and can compete with volume of the worst crowd chant in the game. 

[mauriesy 6,859]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

There's no way Collingwood don't win the flag now. They are Megatron and unless Optimus Prime sacrifices himself we're all stuffed.

It's April.

[Gawndy the Great 7,693]

1 hour ago, dl4e said:

This thing with the filth is a mental game play. They know they can come back and beat a side in the last quarter and the opposition have it in their head that the filth will over run them. Change this situation ( another side beating the filth in a tight last quarter ) a couple of times and watch them start to fold.

100%. This is all mental and the Pies thrive off it.
There were so many Pies turnovers (much higher than afl avg) that a more experienced side clinical on turnovers would have won that game by 6+ goals. 

Pies also employ our 2018 esque high defensive line and are extremely aggressive in their pressure. Crows showed us how to dismantle this by winning the inside battle early on and getting it to the outside. They just couldn’t finish.

As the game wore on the Pies took so many risks and did some really stupid things trying to get into the game - crows just folded… nothing else. 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

11 minutes ago, deva5610 said:

Actually that's a great point, so here it is.

Last Quarters - F/A
Collingwood - 191/93
Melbourne - 243/106

I'm still saying in terms of fourth quarters we are as good, if not better than Collingwood. The only reason Collingwood get the media attention is due to the fact it looks exciting because they're always coming back from behind and barely getting the win.

Thanks for the F/A. You could argue that Melbourne's numbers should be better after we conceded 3 late goals against North, but Collingwood also conceded the last 3 goals agaist St Kilda. What you can't argue with is that Melbourne have won every last quarter this year and Collingwood have only won 4.5. Apart from the win against Richmond (and we were only behind by 2 points) we haven't come from behind at 3/4 time but that's because we haven't had to. Naturally, no-one talks about the issues with Collingwood's game that has meant they've been behind in 4 out of 7 games at 3/4 time, only that they've come back to win 3 of them.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,110]

58 minutes ago, deva5610 said:

Actually that's a great point, so here it is.

Last Quarters - F/A
Collingwood - 191/93
Melbourne - 243/106

I still think in terms of fourth quarters we are as good, if not better than Collingwood. The only reason Collingwood get the media attention is due to the fact it looks exciting because they're always coming back from behind and barely getting the win.

You might need to look at who they've played and who we've played. They've had a tougher draw for sure.

Can't wait for King's Birthday, could be the biggest home n away crowd we've ever played in front of if weather is good to us.

Hate saying it but they are a super impressive team and enjoyable to watch.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

38 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

I'm talking about whose 'game' is the best, when 'on', you're not responding to the opinion proferred. Where you finish, and banking wins, of course matters. But I was responding to the thoughts on Collingwood's luck and game style and people saying they're the best in it. Which I don't agree with.

Fair enough. I like Melbourne's game style when we're on too. I didn't see a whole lot of analysis of the game style of Essendon, Geelong, Brisbane or Hawthorn in your post so I was just assuming you were using premiership wins as some sort of proxy for game style. Personally I'd take another Melbourne premiership ahead of game style any day!