Dees Potential Draft Play to Secure Pick #1

[Nascent 9,299]

48 minutes ago, Willmoy1947 said:

There is no place for devils and demons. The slightest hint of compromise between Port and Pies nearly caused WW3

I was apprehensive at first, but I'm ok with it as long as their marketing and design of their moniker focuses on the animal. Maybe they can talk to Warner Bros. and pay for the rights to Taz.

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by Nascent

[Nascent 9,299]

3 minutes ago, adonski said:

Eagles will finish last I reckon.

Quite possible. 

They aren't afraid of taking Victorians though and if Reid is head and shoulder above every other prospect surely they just take him.

[adonski 12,628]

Just now, Nascent said:

Quite possible. 

They aren't afraid of taking Victorians though and if Reid is head and shoulder above every other prospect surely they just take him.

They were afraid of taking Victorians last year, hopefully the trend continues...!

[rjay 25,210]

1 hour ago, Orion said:

Not necessarily.  High draft picks don't guarantee anything.  There's been plenty of high picks that ended up being "C" grade players 

That's true, that's why I would spread the risk rather than putting all our eggs in the pick 1 basket...

Clary and the Bont for instance were both pick 4's...

[Nascent 9,299]

3 hours ago, adonski said:

They were afraid of taking Victorians last year, hopefully the trend continues...!

Hopefully.

There's another player in this scenario as well and that's GWS.

Likely to finish bottom 4 and have another probable top 10 pick incoming thanks to the tigers which, unfortunately, gives them a far better starting hand than us.

[ChaserJ 5,169]

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

I don't mind the idea of getting 1#, and Harley certainly sounds good, but who does he replace in the team in the short term? 

I have always preferred the Moneyball approach having said that. For me, whatever Taylor ends up doing is ok. He knows all. 

Reid showed gamechanging ability as both a rebounding/intercept defender and hybrid forward for Vic Country last year. We could find a spot without having to upset the midfield balance.

[ElDiablo14 5,011]

30 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I was apprehensive at first, but I'm ok with it as long as their marketing and design of their moniker focuses on the animal. Maybe they can talk to Disney and pay for the rights to Taz.

 

That's WB not Disney 

[Nascent 9,299]

3 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

That's WB not Disney 

Cheers for the correction. Have amended so I don't look like such a dumbass 👍

Edited April 27, 2023 by Nascent

[ChaserJ 5,169]

6 hours ago, rjay said:

That's true, that's why I would spread the risk rather than putting all our eggs in the pick 1 basket...

Clary and the Bont for instance were both pick 4's...

This is true. The landscape could look quite different after the National Championships and talent leagues are done. I still think Reid will be out in front, but there will likely be a few more in category 1b.

Edited April 27, 2023 by ChaserJ

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

The last two decades of #1 draft picks from 2002 are 

Goddard

Cooney

Delidio

Murphey

Gibbs

Kruezer 

Watts

Scully

Swallow

Patton 

Whitfield

Boyd McCartin

Weitering

McGrath

Raynor

Walsh

Rowell

Ugle-Hagen

Horne-Francis and 

Cadman

If you redrafted these drafts now bugger all of the #1 picks would go #1 again. Who knows, perhaps Harley Reid is different, but I’d rather back Taylor to pick his 3 best in the top 25 rather than just the one shiny bloke who is currently at the top 

[Lucifers Hero 40,489]

2 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Three high picks for an apparent unicorn?

Dockers/Bell say hullo...

 

(p.s. @Lucifers Hero: Just noticed your avatar update. 'Our Boy', then?)

Reluctantly...yes😉🙃

[Little Goffy 14,672]

Might be more interesting to see how we could leverage some other clubs desperation for pick 1 to boost our own position.

E.g. Club A that holds pick 1 insists on getting premium picks back, and Club B has managed to accumulate a pile of other trade value but not the top pick being insisted on.

Anyway, seems to me that it would have to be the Bulldogs in the hunt. Currently with picks 8 and 13 (Bris), likely to trade out players and to accept that they need to boost their young talent - Bailey Smith is their only midfielder of note under 27. The fit is good and the rebuild for the Dogs could be really helped given the development time of the talls they already have, with a gun midfielder or two acquired in 2023-25ish.

Anyway, this thread made me go back and look at drafts. Discounting the too-soon and too-uncertain mess of 2021, I don't think there's a single draft where giving up (for example) a top-5 pick and a top-15 pick for the first selection works out favourably, let alone three early picks.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Harley looks to be a rare egg indeed and an exceptional one at that.  Is he worth three firsts?

Guess we won't know that till about 3 years down the track probably.

[Willmoy1947 4,172]

3 hours ago, Nascent said:

Hopefully.

There's another player in this scenario as well and that's GWS.

Likely to finish bottom 4 and have another probable top 10 pick incoming thanks to the tigers which, unfortunately, gives them a far better starting hand than us.

 

Big call on GWS this early and with this coach. I noticed the ballerina type play is more getting down and dirty  lately

So there could be more to see here, especially with dare i say Sydney struggling somewhat.

[Lucifers Hero 40,489]

Last year when we offered 3 firsts (all in the mid to high teens range) but we asked for a second rnd back which would have been mid 20's.

Can't see us offering 3 firsts outright (where one is 5 to 7 range and the other two in the mid to high teens) and not ask for something pretty decent back - again that team's second round pick in the low 20's.  This means one of the first round picks in the high teens simply slides half a dozen spots.  So it wouldn't be 3 firsts as suggested in the proposed hypothetical.

[Robbie57 2,024]

I trust in Taylor. Hope we bear in mind that with a Tassie team in say 3 years. we need to top up our young talent now to get through the compromised tassie draft years.

[Gator 17,629]

[Redleg 41,777]

2 hours ago, FarNorthernD said:

The last two decades of #1 draft picks from 2002 are 

Goddard

Cooney

Delidio

Murphey

Gibbs

Kruezer 

Watts

Scully

Swallow

Patton 

Whitfield

Boyd McCartin

Weitering

McGrath

Raynor

Walsh

Rowell

Ugle-Hagen

Horne-Francis and 

Cadman

If you redrafted these drafts now bugger all of the #1 picks would go #1 again. Who knows, perhaps Harley Reid is different, but I’d rather back Taylor to pick his 3 best in the top 25 rather than just the one shiny bloke who is currently at the top 

Don’t recall the name after Watts and before Swallow.

[Red and Blue realist 2,058]

With the Tassie team coming in and suggestions that there could be 3 years of compromised drafts, we'd be thinking long and hard before trading a package of 3 first round picks for 1 player. Realistically in 2027, the first compromised year we'd be fine, the core of our team would still be around and only 30/31/32 - (Trac, Brayshaw, Salem, Oliver, Lever, Langdon, Fritta, ANB, etc. with Kossie, JVR, Spargo, Bowey and Jefferson etc hopefully hitting their prime).

Including the guys older than them there'd be a list turnover of at least 21 before/during those compromised drafts. Most of whom sit well within our best 30 at present. So the years after that are when the struggle could really hit - like any successful club that's not Geelong! So we'd want to be making allowances earlier so we're not going backwards when the new team comes in.

I know we'll have Brown, Yze and White as potential father sons during that time, and Taylor is great at getting the 2nd round picks right, along with being excellent at trading, so hopefully it's a non-issue, but giving up 3 firsts could have a longer term impact.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,368]

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Don’t recall the name after Watts and before Swallow.

It was Scully

[Lucifers Hero 40,489]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was Scully

That was a trap by the esteemed author of the HWSNBN thread 🙂

[deespicable me 1,508]

I say NO to this prospective deal, but I said NO to Grundy, NO to Elliot from pies, NO to getting rid of Hogan, definitely NO to Jack Watts going and was even upset when we passed on Gysberts.

So I've had a crack and got a pretty terrible strike rate, so unfortunately I am banned from having an opinion "in this space" 

[dee-tox 4,835]

Maybe by putting it out there we are trying to stimulate some movement of top 10 picks. Perhaps Taylor and co. have something else in mind? 

[Little Goffy 14,672]

18 hours ago, beelzebub said:

If the Dees did that they'd have shown they've/we've learnt nthing.  And that's simply not the case. I actually think we're among the more savvy and wiley in this league.

Segway ...for a moment.  The introduction of the 19th club... The Devils ( not sure how i feel about that....the name ...lol ) With they're being ushered in comes 3 or 4 years of seriously compromised drafts.

This years draft and maybe next are our chance to snap up and bank some talent before the well goes dry.

You're not going to load up and throw all at 36Red ... no no no

I sense we will fanangle a creep up the positions..but highly doubt an 'all in' 

That for mine would be daft

14 hours ago, bush demon said:

If we go for Segway we are crazy. 

I'm okay with Segway at pick 5 and Fanagle with 17. Would bring us a combination of sustained speed and craftiness. Hopefully one or both of Savvy and Wiley will still be available at our later selections.

 

14 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Let’s wind the clock back two years and ask yourself whether you would rather have:-

• Nick Daicos (taken at pick 4) OR

• Mac Andrew (5), Neil Erasmus (10) and Angus Sheldrick (18)

Your answer please.

There are plenty of not-pick-one good examples of gun kids arriving and making a potent difference in a team breaking through for a premiership. Selwood (Pick 7) and Rioli (13) in their first seasons, and I'd even say that Bontempelli (4) fits in that category with his 36 brownlow votes and a premiership in his first 50 games!

Then again, I'm the kind of person who gets irritated and avoids a movie is everyone is out there telling me how great it is. I'm profoundly hype-averse.

Still, if we were able to end up with 4, 7 and 13... I might go in for a bit of hype myself.

[Little Goffy 14,672]

32 minutes ago, Gator said:

This is great because we already know his little sister loves Angus Brayshaw.