16 hours ago, layzie said:

Deja Vu

I am sure you have said that before

JVR not playing in the seniors practice matches (save for one quarter) means they have a plan for him. What it is I have no idea.

Will be watching the Casey game closely on Saturday

5 minutes ago, Jontee said:

I am sure you have said that before

Most likely.

 

Most likely.

41 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

One last time, He's a top level plodder, nothing more. His strength's are he's a smart footballer and a great endurance runner. Now if JVR can't reach that level then why was he given the number 2 and why the hype? I've never seen the kid play but the reports were coming in that he's the second coming, not just from here but the club also talked a big game. If McDonald gets injured, or his form plateaus at this level then FFS play the future whilst you've still got BBB running around. That's all I'm saying, oh yes and I also wouldn't mind seeing the other Footscray recruit given a run at some stage. 

I'm not dissing TMac but the upgrade has arrived hasn't it? I mean you don't buy the latest Mercedes and leave it in the carport to continue driving the Commodore just because you got laid in it. 

 

Woah woah woah, nobody is saying JVR can't be great or better than TMac.

But TMac plays a very specific role, a role that requires elite endurance. JVR is two years in, his endurance is not at TMac's level. In fact, even with 10 pre seasons under his belt he probably won't have TMac's endurance, which is at the top level of AFL players league wide. Very few players his size can cover the same KMs he covers in a game.
It's also why someone like ANB, who isn't the most polished perfect footballer going around, is a best 18 player for us. The ground he covers at top speed is elite and nobody on our list can play that role because nobody has the aerobic capacity to do so. 

Our entire forward set up fell apart like a cheap suit when TMac got injured last year. Not because he is the greatest marking and goal kicking forward going around, but because he is a very disciplined role player who rarely loses an aerial contest and can get to contest after contest. While I thought he was just ok on Saturday night, what he did is allow Ben Brown and Gawn to play deeper while he was able to neutralise the aerial contests on the wing. He also does some forward rucking, and he gives us the ability to cover a tall defender if one goes down mid game.

These are things that will take JVR a long time to perfect, no matter how good a player he can be at AFL level.
I think he will get games this year, as he should, and I think he has the potential to be the next Tmac (and hopefully better), but we are not a club that has to play the messiah card anymore. We have lots of good players, which means any youngsters coming through can come in with no pressure and just slowly learn their craft as needed.

 

 

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Not again?? 🤦‍♂️

It was going well until you said "..As I said I'm a TMac fan but he did little on Saturday night beyond freeing up Brown...." - which was surely a KPI and he did that well and, again, that was a big contribution to our gameplay.  Can't  agree with the"..did little.." bit.

Why does one need either when one has MFCSS?

Don't ask what I refer to that as, I may offend quite a few on here.

11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Woah woah woah, nobody is saying JVR can't be great or better than TMac.

But TMac plays a very specific role, a role that requires elite endurance. JVR is two years in, his endurance is not at TMac's level. In fact, even with 10 pre seasons under his belt he probably won't have TMac's endurance, which is at the top level of AFL players league wide. Very few players his size can cover the same KMs he covers in a game.
It's also why someone like ANB, who isn't the most polished perfect footballer going around, is a best 18 player for us. The ground he covers at top speed is elite and nobody on our list can play that role because nobody has the aerobic capacity to do so. 

Our entire forward set up fell apart like a cheap suit when TMac got injured last year. Not because he is the greatest marking and goal kicking forward going around, but because he is a very disciplined role player who rarely loses an aerial contest and can get to contest after contest. While I thought he was just ok on Saturday night, what he did is allow Ben Brown and Gawn to play deeper while he was able to neutralise the aerial contests on the wing. He also does some forward rucking, and he gives us the ability to cover a tall defender if one goes down mid game.

These are things that will take JVR a long time to perfect, no matter how good a player he can be at AFL level.
I think he will get games this year, as he should, and I think he has the potential to be the next Tmac (and hopefully better), but we are not a club that has to play the messiah card anymore. We have lots of good players, which means any youngsters coming through can come in with no pressure and just slowly learn their craft as needed.

 

 

As I said I’m impatient for the future

Just saw MacDonald involved in full training, on the Injury report  = No Issue

Also,not mentioned as Injured

3 minutes ago, RedsoxMan said:

Just saw MacDonald involved in full training, on the Injury report  = No Issue

Also,not mentioned as Injured

What, so this whole thread is for nothing? :)

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

One last time, He's a top level plodder, nothing more. 

That is just plain wrong.

But it would appear your mind is made up, so won't try and convince you otherwise. 

And jvr is a completely different type of player. He is more competing with fritter for a spot than tmac.

6 minutes ago, binman said:

That is just plain wrong.

But it would appear your mind is made up, so won't try and convince you otherwise. 

And jvr is a completely different type of player. He is more competing with fritter for a spot than tmac.

I'll respectfully disagree. Maybe plodder is the wrong term, he's a B grader with A grade smarts and endurance. Picking out one sentence of a three post, beautifully written diatribe is also quite unfair. 

TMAC is a nullifying forward that requires a half decent KPD to play on him. Without him on the field, BBB would’ve been double teamed and may have had much less impact on the game.

So long as he is successfully playing his role, I have no problem with Tommy doing what he is doing currently.

56 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

As I said I’m impatient for the future

Sometimes we have to be patient RIF.

If you waited 57 years of your life in 2021 like me then patience is a virtue and I look forward to whoever the next 23 or 44 players bring us our 14th Flag ASAP.

19 minutes ago, binman said:

That is just plain wrong.

But it would appear your mind is made up, so won't try and convince you otherwise. 

And jvr is a completely different type of player. He is more competing with fritter for a spot than tmac.

Agree Binman at this stage JVR is a possible replacement for Fritta. To be honest thought it might have been a chance to make JVR the sub vs Dogs to give him a chance especially if Tmac had to be moved back for a stretch. We had plenty of flankers etc. I thought. 
Suppose it's also great for Melky to get nearer to his 200th  game. 

2 minutes ago, 58er said:

Agree Binman at this stage JVR is a possible replacement for Fritta. To be honest thought it might have been a chance to make JVR the sub vs Dogs to give him a chance especially if Tmac had to be moved back for a stretch. We had plenty of flankers etc. I thought. 
Suppose it's also great for Melky to get nearer to his 200th  game. 

Melksham was a great sub. I would be doing the same again on Friday night. 
Hot humid night, Melksham comes on fresh in the 2nd Half. 
 

42 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

What, so this whole thread is for nothing? :)

A news report of a barefoot TMac getting scan on his troublesome foot surely requires panic and attention given the wheels of our season last year fell off when he was out. 

The good news is that in the vision from today’s training he looks to be running very well. From about 0:58 seconds. 

 

7 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

It seems some don’t believe T Mac when he said he’ll be good to go this week. 

The first language of football is lies 🤣

3 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

The first language of football is lies 🤣

Is that true?

6 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Trudat. I’m no expert and I’m certainly not an elite footy player (well, I’m not in our best 22, anyways 😁) but I sprained my ankle very badly in December and discovered - after the swelling had subsided but the pain didn’t - that I had a fracture in the sole of my foot.  I saw my doctor last week and she said it’s not the fracture causing the pain right now, rather it’s the bone bruising and soft tissue damage that I left unaddressed for so long that’s the problem. 

Stumbling around after a few glug glugs in December ,WCW Is a recipe for disaster. Ask myself and dear old Uncle. Hopefully you have recovered and feeling on top of the world. Lurve ur work WCW P.F

Edited March 21, 20232 yr by picket fence

T-mac is a good forward and I think we'd be better off concentrating on how to keep him on the field as long as possible this year.

His game on Sat night has been extremely exaggerated, it's like he left the Royal Family or something.

21 minutes ago, binman said:

Is that true?

Nope!

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

It's also why someone like ANB, who isn't the most polished perfect footballer going around, is a best 18 player for us. The ground he covers at top speed is elite and nobody on our list can play that role because nobody has the aerobic capacity to do so. 

 

 

Can you please sticky tape this to the front door of the forums so people don't keep forgetting it Jaded?

Tmac trained today and was involved in everything. 

 

Will have to manage his foot for the rest of his career and will be rested/managed throughout the rest of his career. His foot will flare up at some points over the season especially during the shorter breaks. Week by week situation but if managed properly he’ll be fine.

49 minutes ago, Demonland said:

A news report of a barefoot TMac getting scan on his troublesome foot surely requires panic and attention given the wheels of our season last year fell off when he was out. 

The good news is that in the vision from today’s training he looks to be running very well. From about 0:58 seconds. 

 

Man i really hope Viney gets through this without any further issues down the track.

Totally confident in our MD but yeah i dont know...

If Viney plays a full year like he did in 22', then i honestly cant see us losing this flag.

20 hours ago, adonski said:

Assuming May returns, Petty forward with Tomlinson remaining down back is definitely the play should T Mac miss (and they deem JVR not ready yet)

No way Petty will be moved forward 

5 minutes ago, RedLegs23 said:

Man i really hope Viney gets through this without any further issues down the track.

Totally confident in our MD but yeah i dont know...

If Viney plays a full year like he did in 22', then i honestly cant see us losing this flag.

Might as well just give us the cup now