On 19/03/2023 at 11:33, dazzledavey36 said:

Lol he barely had a hard tag on him mate.

I watched the full replay this afternoon and followed Bonts movement around stoppages. There were times Harmes stood near bont and that was it. Not even a hard arm across him or anything.

If anything Harmes probably spent more time on Libba and Treloar then he actually did on Bont. There was a CLEAR focus that we weren't doing a hard tag on him and it was us simply backing our midfield system over theirs which proved success.

Hatmes role was purely to fill in for Viney and provide extra grunt around stoppages. 

Watch the actual game again.

Yeah Harmes started following Bontempelli but at no stage last night did I think that Harmes quietened Bont in any way.

He was closer to him in the first half when Bont was better.

Not sure, though, whether he only played because Viney missed. Suspect that might have been Laurie's spot.

  On 19/03/2023 at 11:45, titan_uranus said:

Yeah Harmes started following Bontempelli but at no stage last night did I think that Harmes quietened Bont in any way.

He was closer to him in the first half when Bont was better.

Not sure, though, whether he only played because Viney missed. Suspect that might have been Laurie's spot.

Exactly how it played out when I watched the replay.

We barely do any tagging throughout games because Goody backs our midfield to get the job done. Especially now that we're doing a full blown midfield rotation then it's highly unlikely you're going to get someone in there tagging for a significant period.

The Viney comment I meant that Harmes got more significant midfield minutes purely because Viney wasn't there considering he even started the game in the centre circle.

Edited March 19, 20232 yr by dazzledavey36

  On 19/03/2023 at 11:45, dazzledavey36 said:

Libba had 18 disposals and a goal in the 2nd half with 11 coming in the 3rd quarter. That's not quiet by any standard...

Treloar had 16 disposals and a goal in the 2nd half with 11 also coming in the 3rd.

Bont was definitely the quite of the two but that had nothing to do with Harmes as there wasn't a hard tag on him.

Not sure entirely sure what exactly is 'quiet' in your books, but Treloar and Libba were still going fairly hard in the 2nd half. 

 

 

Quiet, i define as not very damaging. The possessions they got didn’t have a great impact 

  On 19/03/2023 at 11:52, Sir Why You Little said:

Quiet, i define as not very damaging. The possessions they got didn’t have a great impact 

Okay. 

Not entirely sure I'd put that purely on Harmes considering they both still ended up with 32 apiece. 

We obviously saw the game completely different to each other. I just personally thought he was disappointing and had little influence alongside Sparrow.

Coming up against Brisbane though I'd still have these two playing and if Viney is fit then he'll come in for kozzie/Laurie.

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Does Hibbo come into consideration this week to take on Charlie Cameron?

He worries the bejesus out of me and I don’t think it would be fair to play McVee on him. 

  On 18/03/2023 at 11:42, Stiff Arm said:

Out: Pickett, Harmes

In: Fritter, Viney

Harmes was very good Sat night, no way he misses

Edited March 19, 20232 yr by picket fence

  On 19/03/2023 at 12:06, Jaded No More said:

Does Hibbo come into consideration this week to take on Charlie Cameron?

He worries the bejesus out of me and I don’t think it would be fair to play McVee on him. 

Maybe.

But we just went through a few weeks of pondering whether we had to pick someone specific to deal with the Dogs' forward line. Ended up reminding us all that our defensive system gets the job done more often than not.

I'm not sure we're going to drop someone for Hibberd just for Charlie Cameron. Would be incredibly harsh on someone like McVee or Rivers or whoever else would have to make way for Hibbo, and I don't know if Goodwin is that level of horses for courses.

  On 19/03/2023 at 12:06, Jaded No More said:

Does Hibbo come into consideration this week to take on Charlie Cameron?

He worries the bejesus out of me and I don’t think it would be fair to play McVee on him. 

They could play Rivers on him?

No way can I see May playing - an old man’s calf doesn’t fix in 1 week. 

  On 18/03/2023 at 14:56, Sir Why You Little said:

Harmes worked hard. He won’t be dropped 

Harmes was quieter around the game against the Bulldogs; however, did work hard across the game and executed several signature moves to quell the Dogs' shorter distribution roles, plus he would have benefitted from the run, detecting new avenues in the forward line now that the season is underway. He is a very good tagger with wide experience in this role who can adapt to many opponents in the process of game-wide shut downs - but one of his highly valuable skills is his sighting and delivery of very good, longer-range passing into the forward line or when within the forward line itself, passing to deep forwards who have decided to mobilise into space to receive. 

He also teams well with Langdon - and hopefully can do the same with Hunter, as well. Brisbane have some key forwards, well-fed from their midfield. Harmes is strong at shutting down individuals such as these and this allows our own midfielders to turn the tables within congested central regions. Harmes blocks creating many opportunities for our midfield afficionados - and we have the best in the whole comp - so overall, I'd elect to keep him in the game because of these attributes to our 'B. B, b, b!

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  On 19/03/2023 at 16:09, Deemania since 56 said:

Harmes was quieter around the game against the Bulldogs; however, did work hard across the game and executed several signature moves to quell the Dogs' shorter distribution roles, plus he would have benefitted from the run, detecting new avenues in the forward line now that the season is underway. He is a very good tagger with wide experience in this role who can adapt to many opponents in the process of game-wide shut downs - but one of his highly valuable skills is his sighting and delivery of very good, longer-range passing into the forward line or when within the forward line itself, passing to deep forwards who have decided to mobilise into space to receive. 

He also teams well with Langdon - and hopefully can do the same with Hunter, as well. Brisbane have some key forwards, well-fed from their midfield. Harmes is strong at shutting down individuals such as these and this allows our own midfielders to turn the tables within congested central regions. Harmes blocks creating many opportunities for our midfield afficionados - and we have the best in the whole comp - so overall, I'd elect to keep him in the game because of these attributes to our 'B. B, b, b!

I agree. He does a lot of work that goes unnoticed, that said his game could definitely improve, but guys like Harmes and TMac are strong, they do loads of weights and do it for the team. 
With Kozzie out, Harmes will be even more important to shut down opponents drive. 

Amazing how there are some players that ‘go unnoticed’ and others that ‘didn’t do anything I noticed’…

All our role players in the midfield need to work hard to release our stars - but then what they do from there is their judgement and their jury. 

 

  On 19/03/2023 at 12:12, dazzledavey36 said:

They could play Rivers on him?

I thought about that. Not sure if he has the defensive skills to go with him to be honest, but I suppose we have to get used to life beyond Hibbo so we need to try. 

  On 19/03/2023 at 12:09, picket fence said:

Harmes was very good Sat night, no way he misses

Surely Laurie out first

So are we thinking something like Viney and Fritsch in for Pickett and Laurie?

  On 19/03/2023 at 21:51, titan_uranus said:

So are we thinking something like Viney and Fritsch in for Pickett and Laurie?

I would expect so.

May for Tomlinson is the other possible change pending recovery from injury.

You could bring May in and keep Tomlinson and have May play on Charlie Cameron. Not sure it's the best rehab for old man calf though...

  On 19/03/2023 at 20:37, Jaded No More said:

I thought about that. Not sure if he has the defensive skills to go with him to be honest, but I suppose we have to get used to life beyond Hibbo so we need to try. 

Could be a great test for the lad. We need to develop another lock down guy and you probably learn quickest playing on the best players.

Wouldn't count Hibbo out though. We know he can offer a bit more than just playing on Cameron and be the experienced reliever down back. 

The punters must like us at $2 as we're currently into $1.80 as favourites with the bookies....not that it means anything in terms of what happens on the field but we do seem to play very well at the Gabba

  On 19/03/2023 at 04:09, Pipefitter said:

I love petty but if you were judging the game on form not name, he goes out for may. Not Tomlinson. He was exceptional last night. 

Petty made Thomlinsons life easier as he took the best forward. lets keep things in perspective here. Pettys going nowhere. 

  On 19/03/2023 at 07:12, titan_uranus said:

I have absolutely no idea how or why you hold this view.

Hunter is a proper wing, allows us to spread the field and to not rely on Langdon, plus he’s a strong two-way runner, a very good kick, and a smart read of the play. He’s a critical addition to the side and played his role well last night. 

Yes, you are probably alone. Petty is not at all close to being dropped.

However, with Tomlinson playing well, the broader point that there is selection pressure on all players is valid. 

Who are the players you think are ahead of Hunter for that wing and why?

This week if Salem is fit and depending on exact match ups in the backline I would have Brayshaw on the wing and would prefer to see Bowey, Rivers and Salem given an opportunity to rotate through the midfield to. I think Brayshaw is a better player than Hunter and has a better work rate than Hunter also. Bowey, Rivers and even Jordon are all good players who I think should improve a lot this year and could add something different to our midfield group particularly if McVee can hold his spot down back. 
 

I personally feel Hunter is better suited to the high half forward flanker role but I would still have ANB and Spargo in front of him. Just my opinion though. 

  On 18/03/2023 at 23:44, John Demonic said:

 Am I crazy in thinking Petty isn't an automatic lock

Petty isn't flashy and doesn't get many possessions but he rarely gets beaten.  Also, he's given the lock down role which allows Lever to play on the third tall and intercept.  So for me he's a key man in our defence.

Fritch ?

Fritch if not probably play Melksham and Laurie 

  On 18/03/2023 at 23:44, John Demonic said:

Tomlinson was excellent. I hope he's given another week and potentially more if form permitting. Am I crazy in thinking Petty isn't an automatic lock, if he gets beaten next week and May is ready to return v Sydney? I know some,even me, have pencilled him in as a future AA Backman, but that doesn't exactly mean his spot is an absolute lock, if others 'below' are performing. It's easy to forget he's still 23* and isn't immune to a dip in form. 

Certifiable Adorably certifiable.

Had to soften it a bit.