39 minutes ago, JJJ said:

The big selling point from us is that McKay would be our undisputed #1 target. 

Personally, I don’t like this.
 

I’d prefer we go for a more balanced set up (petty + McAdam + someone like a Lobb or a Bailey Williams as the 2nd ruck/forward) and evolve our method going forward. 

Not sure my ticker could survive a season where our season is a Harry McKay form slump or Harry McKay ‘case of the yips’ away from getting blown out of contention.

44 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Re Lobb (FWIW):

Scam account

13 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Haha the Notorious "make [censored] up guy"

He gets a whiff something might be happening (from any old source) and then throws it out as his own. On the rare occasion it lands, he parades it around like a cat with a dead bird 

On 10/1/2023 at 4:23 PM, whatwhat say what said:

swans picking up all the second rung mids - jj from us and dow from the blues

Yes they may be No 25/26 on their existing Clubs lists but by the time they have retired they are around A graders or at least high B. 

Sorry WWSW but perhaps you have either a memory lapse or have been under a rock for the last few seasons.

Think Josh Kennedy Darren Jolly Ted Richards are  prime examples of many.  Buddy maintained his really high standards and also extended his legendary status. 

Swans have won 2 flags and played in 6 GF in the last 18 years. 

They have been at the top of creating "treasure" from (unwanted  players from other Clubs ) ie.  "trash ". 

JJ will be handy and Brody won't be a poor recruit for a Swan's. 

6 minutes ago, 58er said:

Josh Kennedy Darren Jolly

Can't say anything about Ted Richards but these 2 were never unwanted players at their original clubs.

I'm all for McKay it will allow Petty to go back.

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, Petty, Bowey

C: Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, McKay, Pickett

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, McAdam, J.Smith

SUB: Chandler

Our time is now get it done dees

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Lobb, McKay….

Surely we’re not that stupid. 

We seem almost desperate if Lobb is a prospect. Perhaps we could trade our 40 th player the Schache for Rory though back to the Doggies.

McKay is a good footballer who if worked with seriously could be a big bonus which we could succeed  but let's not sell the farm in case it fails . 

Essendon asking for a first rounder for BZ, lol.

Dodoro with one last laugh

 

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Nascent

19 minutes ago, 58er said:

Yes they may be No 25/26 on their existing Clubs lists but by the time they have retired they are around A graders or at least high B. 

Sorry WWSW but perhaps you have either a memory lapse or have been under a rock for the last few seasons.

Think Josh Kennedy Darren Jolly Ted Richards are  prime examples of many.  Buddy maintained his really high standards and also extended his legendary status. 

Like Peter Ladhams, Lewis Taylor, Daniel Menzel, Jackson Thurlow and Michael Talia?

 

Not sure that talk of Harry McKay is realistic. If he somehow did go to Melbourne and you wanted him for goals he should be used as a classic full forward inhabiting the goal square. He played that role in 2021 for Carlton when Charlie Curnow was still out injured and won the Coleman Medal with 58 goals. His set shots were usually much closer to goal (with the consequent higher conversion rate) than they have been in the last 2 seasons where he was used differently and further away from goals. He is the kind of player who if he regained their set shot confidence could be the missing piece to win a flag. But yeah, there is an element of a gamble.

Fritsch can be used for longer range accuracy with McKay closer to the goals.

As for Rory Lobb, run away as fast as you can. He plays 3 or 4 decent matches a season.

4 hours ago, JJJ said:

We may not be into King but we are having a huge crack at another twin key forward. He is the target.

Oscar MacDonald?

Article I believe chaserj was alluding to earlier. North possibly missing pick 3 is the first bit of good football news in weeks.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2023-ben-mckay-to-essendon-draft-compensation-for-north-melbourne-salary-brandon-zerkthatcher-to-port-adelaide-bombers-asking-price/news-story/5d1aef1477dbf31af86ccfbfa15858da

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Scam account

Yes, Rory Lobb is on a 3-year deal (no idea why). He would not be in contract negotiations anytime soon.

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Not against it (particularly if p5 is not part of the deal), McKay one of the few key forwards that has troubled Steven May in direct match ups in recent years.

May has owned Charlie, but McKay’s height and deceptive mobility has challenged Maysie. The only reason there’s any possibility of Carlton moving McKay on is that his kicking has been inconsistent, if he’s a dead eye, Blues would not be entertaining any trade.

While i'm not totally against McKay our record at fixing set shot kicking isn't great.

Would need to sort out his head too.  Not just accuracy but in terms of which kick to use from where (snap vs drop punt).  He was allover the shop here in the back half of the season.

We also had players having problems with same in the finals (Max & Smith from the same position on the ground towards the Punt Road end).

Having said that i can't see him leaving the Blues unless he's effectively pushed out the door.

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

19 minutes ago, rjay said:

Can't say anything about Ted Richards but these 2 were never unwanted players at their original clubs.

Rjay join WWSW under that rock. Darren Jolly  was freely given permission to go to the a Swans from none other than The Reverend ND as he believed we didn't need a second ruck to help Jeff White. Worst decision by ND IMOpinion. 

Maybe my definition of unwanted is different to yours but JK was freely traded and Ted was a bit like Sam W with us and finally left the Bonbers to become a very valuable player at full back for the Swans.

Sometimes a Club treats a player as if they don't want them by selection processes and JJ and Bedford could come under that category, but the Club still wants to keep them. They have for eg. publicly touted Tommo was a required player but not as strongly with Toby or JJ. 

Regrettably we have still some young Casey players awaiting their debuts and others consistent chances to attempt to bridge the VFL/AFL gap.

Clearing out about 6/7 from our 23 to 33 best players is a risk but not if we recruit and trade well, plus our youngsters are offered opportunities we may be surprised at the results. 

Depth can be deceptive but is no good if not offered realistic opportunities and not all players have a patience at not getting a regular go at becoming established in the AFL 
Team. 

RE: Rory Lobb, can’t remember where exactly (podcast?) but I heard it from Gawn’s mouth that when we initially introduced Gawn to the idea of recruiting Grundy, he was told we had someone unexpectedly available lined up to replace LJ, and his immediate response was “oh, please don’t tell me it’s [censored]ing Rory Lobb.”

Cant take the suggest seriously but scared of the proposition at the same time.

19 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Like Peter Ladhams, Lewis Taylor, Daniel Menzel, Jackson Thurlow and Michael Talia?

 

You can't win them all Axis but my point about the Swans still stands as it's record of success over the years 

12 minutes ago, Roger Mellie said:

Yes, Rory Lobb is on a 3-year deal (no idea why). He would not be in contract negotiations anytime soon.

His salary would be outrageous for us considering his output. Verrall May be a quick learner and be useful by end of 2024. Reckon we will get possibly Flynn hopefully, 

 

26 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Oscar MacDonald?

Jest ? or unaware Oscar not a twin! 

All this talk of Lobb is making me sick.

Only my view and no information from anyone but me.

we need a replacement or help for Max

KW needs to be asked will you nominate the Demons. His answer to that question this year and next will determine the next choice for ruck.

 

we need a replacement for May, he is getting older and more easily injured.

teach whoever we pick all you can.

and I think we need someone to aim at up forward who can help in the ruck in the F50

JvR will I think be great , but he is too young just yet. And Mr Petty seems injury prone.

that brings us to the centreline and the mids or wingers. we might have the players here to swap about but a good user or deliverer of the ball would be nice. As long he was strong enough to get it. 
 

In JT we trust !  Interesting times.

hate the pies, but all you need is to score more than the opposition. How much does not come into it.

10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

RE: Rory Lobb, can’t remember where exactly (podcast?) but I heard it from Gawn’s mouth that when we initially introduced Gawn to the idea of recruiting Grundy, he was told we had someone unexpectedly available lined up to replace LJ, and his immediate response was “oh, please don’t tell me it’s [censored]ing Rory Lobb.”

Cant take the suggest seriously but scared of the proposition at the same time.

Remember hearing the same thing.

I get why they're making the link, but I don't get why we'd pursue Lobb whilst ignoring Chol. Whatever flaws exist in Chols game, Lobb has the same in spades (echo that for strengths).

From a long game perspective, if it's true that having Lobb on the books is making it difficult for Dogs to re-sign Naughton, Ugle-Hagan,etc., I'm happily letting them struggle and see if Naughton can be lured over as a FA in 12 months time.  There's no one else taking Lobb and his contract off their books, they can keep and we should have a crack at picking off bigger targets from their list. Decent odds on it being reasonably messy at the Dogs this time next year.

5 minutes ago, 640MD said:

KW needs to be asked will you nominate the Demons. His answer to that question this year and next will determine the next choice for ruck.

Pretty sure he's been playing KP not ruck...

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Re Lobb (FWIW):

Surely not, we'd be jumping from the frying pan!

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

He is worth pick 5 plus a future 1st 

Not with his kicking woes and a bad case of the yips he isn't.

Would rather leave him at the Blues for them to sort his problems out for that price.

We need to grab one of Sanders, Caddy or maybe Watson with 5

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty