On 16/10/2023 at 01:28, Demon Jack said:

Lamb reiterated that Petty will 100% be a Demon next year. 

But aside from McAdam and maybe another pick swap, it sounds like we're about done for this trade period.

 

Great apart from our draft improvements ti get young talent our Fwd solution working wonderfully unbelievable… another trade period of achieving sweet f@@@ all to improve our list..looking at the other top 4 teams what they brought in over the last 2-3 trades to improve what have we done since our flag in 21 ?? Expecting Tmac & BB to be our key fwds 

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Demonsone

  On 15/10/2023 at 08:48, Binmans PA said:

Our last 4 or 5 games against them we've had 'all duck, no dinner' (Langdon); 'see you in two weeks' (Mcrae); football action (Maynard); and now we have May's we're better than them.

There's definitely a fierce rivalry building. That said, I'd much prefer our players letting the football do the talking.

May has to back that up now.

Well he plays on the backline, what do you do with forwards?

  On 15/10/2023 at 08:22, deanox said:

It's part of the CBA, basically the players are promised X million as part of the deal so the club's must pay the floor. It's partially because clubs like Footscray and North and possibly us were deliberately underpaying in the 90s and early 2000s to try to manage club finances.

Personally I think there are better ways to manage it:

- instead of clubs getting as large a dividend, all wages are paid by the AFL directly not by the club's, so the club's don't "save" by paying less than the cap (clubs can still pay what the play is worth, but they aren't incentivise to underpay)

- clubs can pay down to a threshold (say 92.5%) but below that all unpaid salaries go back to the AFL. That money is distributed to the players at the end of season in accordance with a formula (bonus on match payments for every player? split equally amongst every player on a list? Split proportional to actual payments? Split only to the bottom 40% of players league wide?)

 

 

I actually think the 92.5% rule makes it harder to attract FAs for lower clubs. Because you think "WCE/North or in the day us have a [censored] team so must have lots of money available for FA" but in reality they don't, they have max ~700k (the cap was $13,540,000 for the 2022 season, with a salary floor of $12,863,000).

 

Not really. You can front end contracts as well.  During our crud days we did that regularly i believe

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

 

2024 could be another wasted year and May and Gawn only getting older.

 

Hard to be optimistic.

  On 16/10/2023 at 02:07, BrisbaneDemon said:

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

 

2024 could be another wasted year and May and Gawn only getting older.

 

Hard to be optimistic.

We tried to address the forward line issues by drafting JVR, and last year Jefferson. Also retaining Petty could help us up forward. BBB and TMAC will be off the books after this year, so if JVR, Jefferson and Petty don’t work, we can spend up on a forward next trade period. We need to give them a chance this year as it’s what we targeted them for.

May is getting older, but we have Turner coming through, and he looks capable. 
 

We have nailed some good late picks in previous drafts in River, Bowey, McVee, and now we have pick 6 and 11, which is a good opportunity to replenish our future talent. We are in a good position to contend for a while longer yet. 

  On 16/10/2023 at 01:23, Axis of Bob said:

What was also said is that Taylor believes that the difference in quality between 14 and 11 was quite significant, which is indicated by the price paid to move those picks.

There's obviously a big difference between the top 15 (including Academy/FS picks) and then there's a big drop off in quality after that. We've got two picks in that top group, which they're really happy with.

What would Taylor know?

  On 16/10/2023 at 01:35, Demonsone said:

Expecting Tmac & BB to be our key fwds 

Lamb specifically said that we want to play Petty and JVR together as our key forwards next year because they worked really well together this year when they played together. 

  On 16/10/2023 at 02:07, BrisbaneDemon said:

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

 

2024 could be another wasted year and May and Gawn only getting older.

 

Hard to be optimistic.

Repeat after me.

We. Do. Not. Have. Forward. Line. Issues.

A forward line with Petty, Fritter, JVR, Koz, Nibbla and Chandler is easily as strong as the Pies forward line that netted them a flag: Mihocek, Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginivan and Frampton.

Even if you swap Frampton for McStay, it is still no better than our lineup

And that's not even factoring in that despite being completely written of by most fans both Tmac and BB could still offer something next year and Jefferson is still developing.

Which is not to say a gun key forward wouldn't help, but for good reason it clearly isn't a major priority. 

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by binman

  On 16/10/2023 at 02:07, BrisbaneDemon said:

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

 

2024 could be another wasted year and May and Gawn only getting older.

 

Hard to be optimistic.

McAdam, Fullarton and retaining Petty. JVR, Kossie and Chandler are young players who will improve. Petty and Fritsch missed significant parts of the season.  Plenty of scope for optimism there.

Which forward on the move have we missed out on. Schultz, Gresham, Chol, Burgess? Be still my giddy heart.

  On 16/10/2023 at 01:35, Demonsone said:

Great apart from our draft improvements ti get young talent our Fwd solution working wonderfully unbelievable… another trade period of achieving sweet f@@@ all to improve our list..looking at the other top 4 teams what they brought in over the last 2-3 trades to improve what have we done since our flag in 21 ?? Expecting Tmac & BB to be our key fwds 

So, please tell us who you think we should have traded for among the key forwards available over the last two years. I can only count 3: Lobb, McStay and Finlayson. The latter is only the one that I would have been interested in, and I doubt we were ever in the hunt for him. Who in this trade period have we missed out on? Not sure why you are freaking out about our trading performance when we have Petty, JVR, Smith and Fritsch as our tall / medium forwards for next season.

 

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:01, binman said:

Repeat after me.

We. Do. Not. Have. Forward. Line. Issues.

A forward line with Petty, Fritter, JVR, Koz, Nibbla and Chandler is easily as strong as strong as the Pies forward line that netted them a flag: Mihocek, Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginivan and resting ruck.

Even if you add McStay, its still no better than our lineup

And that's not even factoring in that despite being completely written of by most fans both Tmac and BB could srill offer something next year and Jefferson is still developing.

Which is not to say a gun key forward wouldn't help, but for good reason it clearly isn't a major priority. 

💯 we have a forward line issue, BBB & Tmac and add Petty can’t be depended on due to injuries, JVR is only young and is inconsistent, our small forwards can struggle to impact, Gawn can’t kick straight and that leaves us Fritsch and Trac.  

then we have a system issue were we have unlimited forward line entries to no avail or we mark it on the boundaries.  We never seem to get out the back goals like Pies/Lions/Port do as we’re a defensively minded team.

 

if we continue to enter our forward 50 like we have over the past 2 years and we don’t have another tall who can clunk marks and kick goals….. we’ll go out in straight sets again or struggle to make top 4

 

  On 16/10/2023 at 02:07, BrisbaneDemon said:

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

 

2024 could be another wasted year and May and Gawn only getting older.

 

Hard to be optimistic.

Somehow pies are adding to their fwd line stocks with talent eg schaultz yet what we doing hoping that our injury riddled fwds of BB, Tmac, Petty , Melksham .. I’d be surprised if any get on the park & backed up with young Jvr .. Fullerton who can’t get a game at the lions will get us through honestly we have our heads buried in the sand 

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by Demonsone

Has Fremantle ever done a deal where they come out on top. Maybe in time Jackson might be but even that one is a loss so far. 

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:42, Demonsone said:

Somehow pies are adding to their fwd line stocks with talent eg schaultz yet what we doing hoping that our injury riddled fwds of BB, Tmac, Petty , Melksham .. I’d be surprised if any get on the park & backed up with young Jvr .. Fullerton who can’t get a game at the lions will get us through honestly we have our heads buried in the sand 

I agree wholeheartedly mate, the she’ll be right attitude of posters above or go again with what we have and “hope” for improvement is a head scratcher.

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:01, binman said:

Repeat after me.

We. Do. Not. Have. Forward. Line. Issues.

A forward line with Petty, Fritter, JVR, Koz, Nibbla and Chandler is easily as strong as strong as the Pies forward line that netted them a flag: Mihocek, Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginivan and resting ruck.

Even if you add McStay, its still no better than our lineup

And that's not even factoring in that despite being completely written of by most fans both Tmac and BB could srill offer something next year and Jefferson is still developing.

Which is not to say a gun key forward wouldn't help, but for good reason it clearly isn't a major priority. 

No forward line issue not sure what games you have been watching but it was the reason we were bundled out in straight sets two years in a row, and the struggles throughout the year with it....

San Hayes apparently on the market. Is he at all worth looking at? 

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:33, BrisbaneDemon said:

💯 we have a forward line issue, BBB & Tmac and add Petty can’t be depended on due to injuries, JVR is only young and is inconsistent, our small forwards can struggle to impact, Gawn can’t kick straight and that leaves us Fritsch and Trac.  

then we have a system issue were we have unlimited forward line entries to no avail or we mark it on the boundaries.  We never seem to get out the back goals like Pies/Lions/Port do as we’re a defensively minded team.

 

if we continue to enter our forward 50 like we have over the past 2 years and we don’t have another tall who can clunk marks and kick goals….. we’ll go out in straight sets again or struggle to make top 4

 

So which is it?

You forget the goal inaccuracy issue btw..

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:21, djr said:

So, please tell us who you think we should have traded for among the key forwards available over the last two years. I can only count 3: Lobb, McStay and Finlayson. The latter is only the one that I would have been interested in, and I doubt we were ever in the hunt for him. Who in this trade period have we missed out on? Not sure why you are freaking out about our trading performance when we have Petty, JVR, Smith and Fritsch as our tall / medium forwards for next season.

 

Fritsch only on dry dry days, no good in the wet because it makes his hair a mess.....

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:33, BrisbaneDemon said:

💯 we have a forward line issue, BBB & Tmac and add Petty can’t be depended on due to injuries, JVR is only young and is inconsistent, our small forwards can struggle to impact, Gawn can’t kick straight and that leaves us Fritsch and Trac.  

then we have a system issue were we have unlimited forward line entries to no avail or we mark it on the boundaries.  We never seem to get out the back goals like Pies/Lions/Port do as we’re a defensively minded team.

 

if we continue to enter our forward 50 like we have over the past 2 years and we don’t have another tall who can clunk marks and kick goals….. we’ll go out in straight sets again or struggle to make top 

Golly I really don't see a forward half issue... biggest issue for me is lack of precision kicks which means that if we try to pick passes inside 50 rather than bomb or kick to flanks we run risk of turn over on the op d50 line. The collingwoods and Brisbanes then sting you on the counter. 

Collingwood were the ones playing extremely defensive against us in that final and they were able to punch us on the break enough to get over the line despite our territory game being in great form. It's this defensive game that allows them to score goals out the back but they also won't generate as many opportunities.

Of course if all of our better forwards are injured then it gets harder to score goals but the king brothers haven't been any more durable than Petty over the years and charlie has only really got his body right the last two years. 

Our ball wining and territory domination is our greatest strength (along with turnover - particularly fwd half) which has put us in a great position to challenge 3 years in a row. I honestly believe that once you have the system and players good enough to be top 4 (preferably top 2) then the rest is luck with timing of fitness, injuries and where those injuries are on the field - our forwardline was crucified, take daniher and McCarthy out of Brisbane's fwdline and suddenly they don't look nearly as menacing.

I still think even with our injuries that if you played the finals series 100 times we would probably win at least 30.

Sorry for rambling and getting off track, I think footy is a funny luck based game past a certain point and there's no golden fix for our perceived issues that doesn't hurt our game in other areas and decrease our overall ability to compete for the premiership. Looking forward to rolling those dice again next year with Fulla and hopefully McAdam for some more flair and fun. Wouldn't mind a classier user in the mids, but you don't want to reduce our ability to win territory despite being undermanned at stoppage... go dees

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:02, old55 said:

McAdam, Fullarton and retaining Petty. JVR, Kossie and Chandler are young players who will improve. Petty and Fritsch missed significant parts of the season.  Plenty of scope for optimism there.

Which forward on the move have we missed out on. Schultz, Gresham, Chol, Burgess? Be still my giddy heart.

We don't have McAdam do we

If people are thinking that Tmac who can hardly turn, BB who’s knee is shot, Melksham who want play until end of season with knee reco, Petty wit foot issue.. enough said 

  On 16/10/2023 at 02:07, BrisbaneDemon said:

Sounds like we aren’t addressing the forward line issues.  Another year of TMac and BBB playing 10 games between them, An unproven Fullerton.  We have lost depth and haven’t added any proven contributors.

True but not lack of trying i reckon.

Most top teams have better fwd lines eg Lions, GWS, Blues, Port. We just have to hope petty gets on the park

  On 16/10/2023 at 03:01, binman said:

Repeat after me.

We. Do. Not. Have. Forward. Line. Issues.

A forward line with Petty, Fritter, JVR, Koz, Nibbla and Chandler is easily as strong as strong as the Pies forward line that netted them a flag: Mihocek, Elliott, Hill, McCreery, Ginivan and resting ruck.

Even if you add McStay, its still no better than our lineup

And that's not even factoring in that despite being completely written of by most fans both Tmac and BB could srill offer something next year and Jefferson is still developing.

Which is not to say a gun key forward wouldn't help, but for good reason it clearly isn't a major priority. 

Petty = Mihocek
JVR < McStay (youth)
Fullarton/J Smith < Cox

ANB > Ginnivan but only equal to in form Lipinski
Fritsch = Elliot (could be better if he defended)
Pickett > Hill (but has to back it up)
Chandler/Spargo << McCreery 

McAdam < Schultz

Are J. Smith and the fossils as useful depth as Ash Johnson and Frampton - probably not.

Does either side have great youth coming through, Jefferson and Reef McInnes both have talent but otherwise not really.

They’ve got the advantage for experience and depth of useful talls for now. But with time that can change.

In theory Petracca can go forward more easily than De Goey as we have a more explosive midfield mix. 

Whoa Pies paying 1st and 2nd rounder for Schultz

good player but a fair price 

multiple 💀🏇 for flagmantle in 2024

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by whatwhat say what