Just now, CHF said:

Agree that is a move I would like to see. I think he would really have an impact there.

The move I have heard is related to  key position.

Ben Brown to FB 😂

16 minutes ago, defuture15 said:

What would you do if Jesus came to Hawthorn?

Move Dunstall to CHF.

23 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

And we have no idea if Gus is going to play on or not. 
A midfield sans Clarry and Gus is no more than a middle of the road midfield. It isn’t winning you flags.

To be fair, I don’t think the side as it stands is winning another flag. 
 

Trading Clarry is a bold call, but I think the club recognises a level of reinvigoration is needed and weighed that against the impeding arrival of the compromised Tasmanian drafts; if the trade eventuates that is. 

Edited October 3, 20231 yr by BLWNBA

1 minute ago, BLWNBA said:

To be fair, I don’t think the side as it stands is winning another flag. 
 

Trading Clarry is a bold call, but I think the club recognises a level of reinvigoration is needed and weighed that against the impeding arrival of the compromised Tasmanian drafts; if the trade eventuates that is. 

I don’t disagree, but Clarry isn’t the reason we aren’t winning another flag. 

Personally I think it’s all [censored] and Nudge claiming to have been in the know smells like that [censored] but hey, I’m upfront that I know nothing. 

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I don’t disagree, but Clarry isn’t the reason we aren’t winning another flag. 

We are over invested in insiders. I think we can all agree to this and the need for outside class. 

If you look at potential trade options excluding Clarry it’s really only Trac as the alternative that can attract the draft capital. And if the alleged behavioural issues are true to the extent they are having an impact on culture, then it’s possible that he has punched his own ticket. 

 

 

It could turn out to be a master stroke get a god offer for clarry or it’s the warning shot he needs and he grows up a bit and gets back to the player we know, interesting couple of weeks coming up 

we couldnt actually do it could we 

 

also hearing since then its doggies interested, 

for macrae, lobb and picks.

Edited October 3, 20231 yr by Turner

4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Not overs. For every good pick 2 and 3, there are dozens very ordinary ones who will never come close to being as good as Clarry. 

Harley Reid has a more well rounded game than Clarry as it stands. 

Clarry hasn't improved his week areas, regardless of how good his contest work is.

Many people are blinded by their love for one individual. 

Might just be the best thing for Clayton and us long term. 

Everyone thought a Collingwood would fall off a cliff once Treloar left and Stephenson (to a lesser degree). 

We've shown that we actually function better as a side without another inside specialist in the side. 

Why don't we wait and see, eh? 

Edited October 3, 20231 yr by JimmyGadson

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I don’t disagree, but Clarry isn’t the reason we aren’t winning another flag. 

No, but the same setup has seen us bundle out in straight sets two years running.

Anddddd we were a better functioning side without Oliver in the side this year. 

His value to as functioning well as a TEAM is at odds with the value he holds as an elite specialist inside INDIVIDUAL. 

People are confusing the two for some reason....

Roos would make sense as as he's best mates with Simpkin and they have a full hand of top picks. 

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

No doubt Jason Taylor is a gun recruiter. I don’t doubt for a minute he will do well with any picks he’s given. But it’s still all a lottery.

History has shown us that many highly rated juniors go on to have average careers. 
You absolutely cannot guarantee that any player drafted this year will be as good or better than Clarry. Very few first round picks since his draft have achieved what he has in terms of accolades. 

You also can't guarantee that Clayton will continue to improve parts of his game that need improving? Or that his behaviour will get better? Or that he won't get a long-term injury?

We get it, you're an unabashed fan of the individual above all else. 

2 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

To be fair, I don’t think the side as it stands is winning another flag. 
 

Trading Clarry is a bold call, but I think the club recognises a level of reinvigoration is needed and weighed that against the impeding arrival of the compromised Tasmanian drafts; if the trade eventuates that is. 

So we lost to pies with bad kicking by 7 points, Gus getting knocked out and a fwd line tapped together and some how we are out of the window, pull another one. A few less injuries and some further development and maybe a smart trade and we are more than in the hunt

3 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

If Jesus reincarnated and presented in the draft, I wouldn’t be trading Clarry to bring him in

They’re BOTH just very naughty boys!

1 hour ago, Turner said:

also hearing since then its doggies interested, 

for macrae, lobb and picks.

Imagine the fun Libba would have with Clayton’s tattoo gun 

The only way you'd lose out on this is if it were to cause unrest within the group, club and individual. 

That would be a disaster. 

But if everyone was okay with it and we received what we should in way of picks, which would see us land Reid and and a McKertcher... 

We'd be better off as a team whether people want to hear that or not. 

Reid can play everywhere and displays exactly the same level of competitiveness and contested ball winning ability as Clayton. He's further advanced than Clayton at the same age and already possesses traits that Clayton doesn't. 

McKertcher is the class, user and runner we need so desperately for that link and connection. 

I'll be content if Clayton stays and can get help and endeavour to improve other aspects of his game. But I definitely won't be upset if all parties come to an agreement and believe it's best for club and individual. 

Edited October 3, 20231 yr by JimmyGadson

5 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

And we have no idea if Gus is going to play on or not. 
A midfield sans Clarry and Gus is no more than a middle of the road midfield. It isn’t winning you flags.

As far as I have heard subject to medical checks Gus is intending to play on.  So far he has received positive news from all medical tests. Needs another last result only now from a team of experts or such like. 

8 hours ago, Nudge said:

Nope, we put word out amigo 

Then that.... would be the someone

Ok so let me try and see if i’m getting this straight. 

1./ oliver self tattoos foot and misses games with infection 

2./ falls out with conditioning coach

3./ breaks up with girlfriend and loses his [censored]. 

4./ rocks up late and wasted to post season interview 

None of that is terminal fr a generational player like Oliver football clubs move past [censored] like this all the time. But his attitude meets a period where we’ve just lost 4 finals in a row, Goody is taking no prisoners,   harley reid is sitting right there and Tasmania is coming. 

Im going to have to take a deep breath and sit with it. 

7 hours ago, BLWNBA said:

To be fair, I don’t think the side as it stands is winning another flag. 
 

Trading Clarry is a bold call, but I think the club recognises a level of reinvigoration is needed and weighed that against the impeding arrival of the compromised Tasmanian drafts; if the trade eventuates that is. 

Astute observations. 

The shadow of the devil creeps closer indeed. Going to have effects many don't see coming.

Qld could fall off a precipice...the footy world would hardly blink....  but when the horn sounds for the "islanders" to march home....indeed many will heed the call.

Agree also that the current team/coaching isn't winning another flag.

Lots of changes and recasting to come.

I'm fascinated. 

Will there be flames where only smoke exists now ? 

As they say... Who Dares Wins.

Go Dees

Edited October 3, 20231 yr by beelzebub

7 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

If Jesus reincarnated and presented in the draft, I wouldn’t be trading Clarry to bring him in

6 day turnarounds would not present a problem.

4 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Harley Reid has a more well rounded game than Clarry as it stands. 

Clarry hasn't improved his week areas, regardless of how good his contest work is.

Many people are blinded by their love for one individual. 

Might just be the best thing for Clayton and us long term. 

Everyone thought a Collingwood would fall off a cliff once Treloar left and Stephenson (to a lesser degree). 

We've shown that we actually function better as a side without another inside specialist in the side. 

Why don't we wait and see, eh? 

I genuinely thought GWS were going to be bottom 4 this year after losing their midfield brutes Tarranto and Hopper..

8 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Honestly if this club is now shopping semi-publically a once-in-a-generation talent because of 'attitude issues' twelve months after signing him for seven years our list management foresight is laughably bad.

In recent times we have been good at the draft but the decades before that were at best mixed in terms of drafting and at times appallingly bad. Why gamble what is for what might be?

Or have we just managed to maintain the value of our “asset” by having it under contract?

I also doubt we would have been able to foresee tattoo-gate or a relationship breakdown.

2 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Or have we just managed to maintain the value of our “asset” by having it under contract?

I also doubt we would have been able to foresee tattoo-gate or a relationship breakdown.

Totally valid qualifiers. 

Trees survive because they bend and adapt..  Rocks can fall or crack. 

I would think it bodes well to be adeptly adaptive.

Whatever is best holistically for the club.... IS the BEST outcome imo.