17 hours ago, rpfc said:

Maybe but remember; Brad Green after we won our first game of the year in Rd 10 in 2007 said ‘we can still play finals and we should aim for that.’

And you know what happened? ☺️

We finished 3rd last in 5 wins…

…

(cough)

I prefer not to speak that year, the beginning of some dark days...

22 hours ago, ANG13 said:

As bad as they have been so far they could well be on the same wins as us after next weekend. 

This is a ridiculous post.

They will have played three sides most picked to be bottom 4, and we will have played two top 4 and one (expected) top 8 sides.

We had the hardest first three weeks out of all teams. Freo had the easiest.

With Adelaide and GCS to come in round 4 and 5, unless they are 2-3 they are in serious trouble.

Remember, their return games are against: Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney, West Coast, Western Bulldogs. Their fixture isn't getting easier.

35 minutes ago, deanox said:

This is a ridiculous post.

They will have played three sides most picked to be bottom 4, and we will have played two top 4 and one (expected) top 8 sides.

We had the hardest first three weeks out of all teams. Freo had the easiest.

With Adelaide and GCS to come in round 4 and 5, unless they are 2-3 they are in serious trouble.

Remember, their return games are against: Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney, West Coast, Western Bulldogs. Their fixture isn't getting easier.

i just cranked up my computer and did some serious and in depth calculations on the ladder.

the amazing result is that there is only a 2 game difference between the bottom and top of the ladder

amazing, huh?

13 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i just cranked up my computer and did some serious and in depth calculations on the ladder.

the amazing result is that there is only a 2 game difference between the bottom and top of the ladder

amazing, huh?

I expect to hear David King touting this amazing statistical insight sometime this week.

The mistake Freo has made was that in the process of getting Jackson, they had 5 players leave, most of whom left because Freo either low-balled them or [censored] them off so bad they wanted out.  Lobb, Acres and Logue all played 20+ games in 2022 so they were clearly best 22 calibre.  Tucker played 14 and Meek 6 (no idea if injuries played a prat in those numbers).  That's far too much talent going out for a team supposedly on the rise with only Jackson, O'Meara and Josh Corbert coming in.

They look like they are really struggling to kick a winning score. 52 points then 72. Every game is losable if your average for column is going to average under 70.

Tabener has to be the most frustrating forward. 100 games, 29yo and he didn’t even have a scoring shot when he is their main target

him and LJ as the key talls is the worst fwd line in the league by a mile

17 minutes ago, Vipercrunch said:

The mistake Freo has made was that in the process of getting Jackson, they had 5 players leave, most of whom left because Freo either low-balled them or [censored] them off so bad they wanted out.  Lobb, Acres and Logue all played 20+ games in 2022 so they were clearly best 22 calibre.  Tucker played 14 and Meek 6 (no idea if injuries played a prat in those numbers).  That's far too much talent going out for a team supposedly on the rise with only Jackson, O'Meara and Josh Corbert coming in.

It's just so obvious that this method is not how you take a club to the next step. Those 20 gamers you mentioned were big contributors in 2022, especially Acres. With a list profile at the stage theirs is at, that many changes can upset the mould and take time to reset again. Then to go out and throw the money bags out there who is really only high potential who doesn't address a need. They weren't crying out for a ruckman and he doesn't fix their forward issues.

I just can't see how this can be seen as an organisation making good and sensible decisions in line with the vision of a club yet to break their duck. I see it as a club that was on the way to building a 'bloods no DH' culture and overnight has pivoted to the old fashioned Carlton mentality and caving in to the shiny object syndrome.  

Edited March 27, 20232 yr by layzie

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

It's just so obvious that this method is not how you take a side to the next step. Those 20 gamers you mentioned were big contributors in 2022, especially Acres. With a list profile at the stage theirs is at, that many changes can upset the mould and take time to reset again. Then to go out and throw the money bags out there who is really only high potential who doesn't address a need. They weren't crying out for a ruckman and he doesn't fix their forward issues.

I just can't see how this can be seen as an organisation making good and sensible decisions in line with the vision of a club yet to break their duck. I see it as a club that was on the way to building a 'bloods no DH' culture and overnight has pivoted to the old fashioned Carlton mentality and caving in to the shiny object syndrome.  

I think one thing Mark Neeld got wrong as coach was he thought that by virtue of playing x amount of games history tells you that's when you become good. i think the reality is you need a core of the right young players, surrounded by the right development coaches and program to play a significant number of games together with a similar game plan to build cohesion. 

Fremantle i'd say haven't identified and adapted to the new trends in footy and have gone back to an outdated game plan with slow movement, they don't have the players to kick a winning score consistently and by clearing out the players to fit in Luke Jackson, they've destroyed that cohesion, and upset the player group by paying him so much money. 

they're a live possibility to have a similar year to what we did in 2019 when we finished second last following a prelim. 

36 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

I expect to hear David King touting this amazing statistical insight sometime this week.

And Kane Cornes misrepresenting it and launching a controversial narrative.

Edited March 27, 20232 yr by Spargonicus

2 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I think one thing Mark Neeld got wrong as coach was he thought that by virtue of playing x amount of games history tells you that's when you become good. i think the reality is you need a core of the right young players, surrounded by the right development coaches and program to play a significant number of games together with a similar game plan to build cohesion. 

 

Only one thing?

I think the idea of getting games into the kids was more of a Bailey thing over Neeld anyway as the latter went for more experienced recruits continually rather than keep hitting the draft.

You're spot on though with the core of right young players.  You need that committed and talented group to build around.

On 3/26/2023 at 12:39 PM, binman said:

Yep.

And losing to the roos AT HOME in round two, after losing round one, is a shocker.

I'd be impressed if anyone tipped that...or, assuming hallucinatory episode prior to game...

I was feeling a bit gloomy still after our performance so I wandered over to a Freo forum to make myself feel better, feeding from their negativity..... I wasn't let down and wow did I get my fill.

They're ready to burn the whole place down and start again and already wanting mass changes and the coach sacked.

I never had much against the dockers as they've always been rather irrelevant but reading some of the arrogance coming from supporters and administration when they picked up Hogan and Jackson really left a foul taste in my mouth.

So yes, I'm quite enjoying this whole 'death ride' experience and well and truly on board for season 2023.

This will be the second time in my life cheering on the Eagles on Sunday.  The first time ever was 2018 GF where I found myself watching as a completely neutral supporter until they kept showing Eddie pumping his fists and jumping out of his seat when the Pies got away early.

It was then I remembered the hatred of the filth > dislike of the eagles.

So let's go West Coast!  Bring us home a top 5 pick!

19 hours ago, adonski said:

Hopefully the Giants can play the Eagles into form in preparation for next weeks derby

Another post that aged well.

We really need to get the MFC wine sponsor onto Demonland.

Eagles should win the derby.

Winless after 3 games.

Wowee. 

I feel sorry for Jackson. He is not playing well and the pressure and angst will build.

1 hour ago, layzie said:

It's just so obvious that this method is not how you take a club to the next step. Those 20 gamers you mentioned were big contributors in 2022, especially Acres. With a list profile at the stage theirs is at, that many changes can upset the mould and take time to reset again. Then to go out and throw the money bags out there who is really only high potential who doesn't address a need. They weren't crying out for a ruckman and he doesn't fix their forward issues.

I just can't see how this can be seen as an organisation making good and sensible decisions in line with the vision of a club yet to break their duck. I see it as a club that was on the way to building a 'bloods no DH' culture and overnight has pivoted to the old fashioned Carlton mentality and caving in to the shiny object syndrome.  

yes layzie, but bellend did get that feather for his cap

a pyrrhic victory indeed

21 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Eagles should win the derby.

Winless after 3 games.

Wowee. 

I feel sorry for Jackson. He is not playing well and the pressure and angst will build.

West Coast paying $3.30 for the win (under 40pts).  they certainly have a much more potent fwd line with Darling, Ryan, Allen, Waterman and Cripps.  Freo look lost and cannot score.  I reckon they are very close to being done for the year!

1 hour ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I think one thing Mark Neeld got wrong as coach was he thought that by virtue of playing x amount of games history tells you that's when you become good. i think the reality is you need a core of the right young players, surrounded by the right development coaches and program to play a significant number of games together with a similar game plan to build cohesion. 

Fremantle i'd say haven't identified and adapted to the new trends in footy and have gone back to an outdated game plan with slow movement, they don't have the players to kick a winning score consistently and by clearing out the players to fit in Luke Jackson, they've destroyed that cohesion, and upset the player group by paying him so much money. 

they're a live possibility to have a similar year to what we did in 2019 when we finished second last following a prelim. 

It's a real 'Moneyball' approach that looks like it's been created by a computer. 

There's every chance this becomes a step back to go forward year for them. A lot riding on this derby.

This thread has overtaken the weekly “what they are saying on [insert opposing team HQ location here] street” thread as my favourite on DL.

39 minutes ago, demoniac said:

Eagles should win the derby.

Winless after 3 games.

Wowee. 

I feel sorry for Jackson. He is not playing well and the pressure and angst will build.

Why feel sorry?

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Tabener has to be the most frustrating forward. 100 games, 29yo and he didn’t even have a scoring shot when he is their main target

him and LJ as the key talls is the worst fwd line in the league by a mile

David King in SEN this morning said jackson must be saying to himself ..."... what AM I doing here..."  in relation to both Freo and Freo's forward line.

8 minutes ago, loges said:

Why feel sorry?

Exactly.  Hes barely played 4 quarters in his life.  He's a cameo tall player with below average marking skills and getting paid 800,000 a year for 6 years plus.  Be happy for him.

And for us to get rid of him at his stocks high.  

 

 

Propaganda.....!

 

33 minutes ago, adonski said:

 

 

The way his body has been the last number of years...he would be as good a bet as the Swans playing an injured Reid in the GF.