Dees Target Pick 19

[adonski 12,054]

Melbourne are contemplating trading a future first round pick on draft night as they battle with a number of clubs to get hold of the Giants' valuable No. 19 selection, which will launch the second night of the AFL national draft.

Edited November 21, 2022 by adonski

[Deeoldfart 8,016]

25 minutes ago, adonski said:

Melbourne are contemplating trading a future first round pick on draft night as they battle with a number of clubs to get hold of the Giants' valuable No. 19 selection, which will launch the second night of the AFL national draft.

Proactive as always. I like it!  Who do we have in mind?

Edited November 21, 2022 by Deeoldfart
Too much wine!

[djr 1,445]

I assume they think they have a good chance that George will be still available. It would be a good night if we can pick up George as well as a key tall.

[Lord Travis 10,727]

Not a fan of this move this year. Next year is supposedly a super draft, and we’d be trading a pick that will be anywhere from pick 10-18 in that draft for pick 19 in a weaker draft.

Usually a fan of trading forward as we’ve done previously as it enables you to get a year of  development into a youngster. Not this draft period though.

[Redleg 40,895]

11 minutes ago, djr said:

I assume they think they have a good chance that George will be still available. It would be a good night if we can pick up George as well as a key tall.

That could be problematic, as it has been suggested that Giants may want George. If they don’t, then 19 might get him, if that’s who we want. We could even get an earlier pick from Giants if they don’t want him and we promised to take him with the earlier pick. It would cost us 37 and F1st. My info is that Giants want Gruzewski at around 19 so it’s interesting.

We do have a good relationship with the Giants clearing Toby and Preuss        recently.

If it was to happen, I wonder if it would be an on the night trade, when they know exactly who is still available.

Edited November 21, 2022 by Redleg

[Redleg 40,895]

4 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Not a fan of this move this year. Next year is supposedly a super draft, and we’d be trading a pick that will be anywhere from pick 10-18 in that draft for pick 19 in a weaker draft.

Usually a fan of trading forward as we’ve done previously as it enables you to get a year of  development into a youngster. Not this draft period though.

If we have identified a player we want and we can trade up for him, do it.

[dazzledavey36 54,856]

11 minutes ago, Redleg said:

That could be problematic, as it has been suggested that Giants may want George. If they don’t, then 19 might get him, if that’s who we want. We could even get an earlier pick from Giants if they don’t want him and we promised to take him with the earlier pick. It would cost us 37 and F1st. My info is that Giants want Gruzewski at around 19 so it’s interesting.

We do have a good relationship with the Giants clearing Toby and Preuss        recently.

If it was to happen, I wonder if it would be an on the night trade, when they know exactly who is still available.

Sydney are very interested in George and there's a good chance they may nab him at pick 15.

[djr 1,445]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Sydney are very interested in George and there's a good chance they may nab him at pick 15.

Maybe we might be thinking the other way around. We pick George at 13 and a key tall at 19. What key talls would be in the mix at 19?

[adonski 12,054]

4 minutes ago, djr said:

Maybe we might be thinking the other way around. We pick George at 13 and a key tall at 19. What key talls would be in the mix at 19?

Perhaps we think the big Jeffer may be available at 19? Cal Twomey's recent rankings suggested the possibility. 

Where does he go? Melbourne has been linked to Jefferson at pick No.13. Sydney and the Giants could consider him given they have multiple picks but he could also be available deeper into the top 20. 

Where does he go? Has interest in the teens, including from Sydney, Melbourne and Greater Western Sydney. Hard to see George slipping far into the second round despite the knee. 

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

37 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Proactive as always. I like it!  Who do we have in mind?

I hear we’re interested in Cadman 😝

[adonski 12,054]

Can't edit my original post, but first link to running defender Jakob Ryan in the article:

Melbourne already have pick 13, on top of No.37 in the second round, and are showing interest in defender Jakob Ryan and forwards Matt Jefferson and Brayden George. The Demons picked emerging forward Jacob van Rooyen with selection 19 in last year’s draft.

[dee-tox 4,835]

Well, according to the article we also have some interest in Jakob Ryan, a tall back who is pretty quick and is a good kick. 

189cm, South Australian haircut!

[Storma and Wiz 12]

1 hour ago, djr said:

Maybe we might be thinking the other way around. We pick George at 13 and a key tall at 19. What key talls would be in the mix at 19?

If Sydney are interested with George. There is a strong possibility we will take George at 13. Initially, I would love to get Hewett. But now, I believe we have our hearts set on George, as we are hoping to get pick 19 as well. This is becoming a real game of chess now. 

[adonski 12,054]

6 minutes ago, Storma and Wiz said:

If Sydney are interested with George. There is a strong possibility we will take George at 13. Initially, I would love to get Hewett. But now, I believe we have our hearts set on George, as we are hoping to get pick 19 as well. This is becoming a real game of chess now. 

Another medium sized forward seems like the last thing the Swans 'need' 

[BAMF 4,348]

2 minutes ago, adonski said:

Another medium sized forward seems like the last thing the Swans 'need' 

They don't need much elsewhere either. Very strong list ATM. Key position depth would be ideal for them but it's not the best draft for it.

[Storma and Wiz 12]

This years draft brings me back to the 2014 draft where there is a mirror image of Brayden George and Jake Lever. Lever would've been a top 3-4 pick if not injured in his draft year. There was also the failed trade attempt of Jack Trengove (pick 13 Richmond pick) to select Lever. We are here again with Brayden George. Injured in his draft year. I have no inside knowledge this. But I believe we are very hot on George now. 

[58er 6,422]

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

If we have identified a player we want and we can trade up for him, do it.

It's not actually trading up really! 

[layzie 33,793]

Not really a fan of giving up 2023 first rounders. Can George realistically fall that low as well?

[Robbie57 2,020]

Smart planning. Better to have an option in place. As for giving up 2023 picks we need to remember they are effectively 3 years away from being contributors. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,735]

Our two F1 are most likely to be in the 14 - 18 range.  Doubt GWS will accept just a F1 for pick #19.  They will want something else which could be a F2 depending on which of our two F1 is offered and what other clubs are offering.

Unless they get an 'offer they can't refuse' GWS will hold on to #19 until the first round of the draft is over when they will have all night and next day to negotiate the best deal.

So doubt there will be any news before the first round of the draft is over.

 

As an aside, draft pick swaps are closed until the start of the draft itself.  Lots of wheeling and dealing in the meantime...

Edited November 21, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[Smokey 4,389]

Is this article conjecture, or have the club been quoted along these lines? 

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

I wonder if it's more a thought that if the player we are really after is gone at pick 13, we slide that back to pick 19. Say pick 13 and 37 for 19, 31 and either 58 or their future 3rd? 

[whatwhat say what 22,738]

how likely is dogga brown's kid to command a first round nomination in 2023?

[ChaserJ 5,083]

17 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

how likely is dogga brown's kid to command a first round nomination in 2023?

Looks like he’s a bit further down at this (very early) stage. Might scrape into 2nd, but the depth next year is projected to be v good.

[Lucifers Hero 39,735]

56 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I wonder if it's more a thought that if the player we are really after is gone at pick 13, we slide that back to pick 19. Say pick 13 and 37 for 19, 31 and either 58 or their future 3rd? 

Media reports are saying it is a F1.

If we are able to get #19 before the first round of the draft is over we will have some leverage to get value for it from other teams by on-trading it at the end of the night.

If GWS hold it until the end of the first round I don't see us getting any more value for it in an 0n-trade than GWS would get.

So I'm not sure where the value of #19 is for us.

If a player we want slides or we want another pick in the late 1st early 2nd round I would think we target their pick 15 or 18 or WCE #20 which don't have the premium #19 does. .

Edited November 21, 2022 by Lucifers Hero