Who gives a rats about points. You do the deals to get the players and picks you want. 

27 gets us the second best ruck in the game. Fantastic deal coupled with the Pies paying some wages and him taking a pay cut

4 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Not necessarily.  With 3 F/S and 1 Academy player in the top 20 a lot of mid range bids will be chewed up by matching bids. 

So a pick in the low 50's will come in to something in the low 40's.

Not to be sneezed at.

We have a pick for Bedford coming somewhere and we have the other pick in the 50’s. When the draft only goes 45 players deep we’ll be picking the same players.

The only cost is the opportunity cost to move up for one or the teams moving back. 

Second half second rounder plus Pies to pay $400k per year. (This is the deal I would do)

Pick 27 and Pies to pay $300k plus Grundy to take a $50k pa pay cut is close enough

Hell... I hope he's fit

I've forgotten, did the Pies say they wanted a pick for Grundy inside 25 or 21?

Edited October 4, 20222 yr by Matt

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Grundy for pick 27 would be a steal.

Much better then the original discussion of having to give up a 1st rounder which I was highly against. 

Wonder if we'll package up a future 2nd also? 

Agree. You had people saying that we should give up a pick in the teens because that's what Grundy is worth. 

16 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

I’m on the record as predicting the Gawn/Grundy combo won’t work (mainly because of Max being an ineffective forward), but if we can get Grundy for 600k and essentially pick 27 then I’m willing to take the risk. That’s a bargain. 
 

Also remember that pick 27 will blow out to about 32 once all the academy, next Gen and FS get bids. 

I think Max might return to his floating behind the ball role after the center bounce, with Grundy playing the forward half of the game kinda like what Geelong did in the grand final with Stanley and Blizcavs. 

This will also double our options kicking out of defensive with two tall targets to stretch across the ground instead of always going long to the left to Gawn. 

The MFC has Chandler to Upgrade and Grundy to add to the main list, if they get good picks for Jackson, maybe losing Hunt, Bedford and Jackson along with the delist of Rosman there is only 2 spots left so they may not use picks other than 1st round and second round for Bedford therefore we are giving away picks we may not use.

Official 

 

13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Almost like the points system is junk. 
 

53 - 0 points in this draft

43 - the minimum steak knife to get 33 to 27 

 

You should be ecstatic with this trade given how poor Jason Taylor is with later picks. We've taken them out of his hands.

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

We have a pick for Bedford coming somewhere and we have the other pick in the 50’s. When the draft only goes 45 players deep we’ll be picking the same players.

The only cost is the opportunity cost to move up for one or the teams moving back. 

The pick for Bedford is part of the #27 swap.  As it will become a pick int he 40's its final value is a lot more than the points it currently has. 

Just saying we paid a hefty premium for # 27. 

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

I've forgotten, did the Pies say they wanted a pick inside 25 or 21?

Inside the top 25 is what's been reported, but was also reported they wanted 'one of the first round picks Melbourne would get in the Jackson trade'... So who knows what's accurate atm.

3 minutes ago, durango said:

The MFC has Chandler to Upgrade and Grundy to add to the main list, if they get good picks for Jackson, maybe losing Hunt, Bedford and Jackson along with the delist of Rosman there is only 2 spots left so they may not use picks other than 1st round and second round for Bedford therefore we are giving away picks we may not use.

Chandler will be upgraded with our last pick probably #86.

We might even then trade this with GWS with Bedford - something like Bedford and 27 for pick 19 and a future 3rd? 19 then goes to Collingwood for Grundy and bit more of his wage paid? 

8 minutes ago, Glorious Day said:

Anthony Ingerson and Jarred Rivers applaud this!

So does Aidan Riley....

 

2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

The pick for Bedford is part of the #27 swap.  As it will become a pick int he 40's its final value is a lot more than the points it currently has. 

Just saying we paid a hefty premium for # 27. 

Lamb: “We have been able to do so by bundling three selections, including two that we did not intend to use at the National Draft this year."

 

13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

That is a lop sided trade.  We give up picks worth about 1,200 points for one worth about 700 points.

I would have thought whoever is getting pick 27 would do better with the picks we swaped

Odd.

It all depends on how many picks we want to take to the actual draft though. Assuming we receive at least 1 pick in the first round this year (may be multiple if Freo can't get a top 10 pick for us) and factoring in the Bedford pick from GWS plus the Hunt compo, had we kept those 3 picks we just traded to Port that's 6 picks plus Grundy to come in. And assuming we're still looking to bring in more players via FA or trade there's only so many list spots to go round. So really it was trading away picks we were unlikely to use to get a pick for Grundy and knowing we'll be getting a couple more picks in the 30s and a decent first. 

So yes it's a good trade for Port but not really a big loss for the Dees once you consider all the comings and goings. 

29 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

Interesting trade, we must be getting a fair hall for Jackson and Bedford.

So our picks for now are 27 & 51?

(a fair hall) 😄

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Lamb: “We have been able to do so by bundling three selections, including two that we did not intend to use at the National Draft this year."

 

I hope that means that we may have another target, and not re-signing Baker.

We are happy to lose on points because points are only valuable for those with academy or father son picks. We are aiming at neither.

8 minutes ago, mo64 said:

You should be ecstatic with this trade given how poor Jason Taylor is with later picks. We've taken them out of his hands.

Don’t worry I am. But the good news is I’m still upset with Lamb keep his Cutlets rather than turning the list over. 

It also means we are an easy team to deal with. 

Can been seen two ways.

If close to what is the going rate for what we want or give, then we sign, or a teams can play hard against us and we will fold.

Hope it works as the former, where others don't see us as time and effort wasters,  and we all exit happy, with win win.

Many other teams, stuff up the dominoes falling well.

Deal with the MFC and everyone's dreams can come true.

13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Chandler will be upgraded with our last pick probably #86.

This hasn't been the process for a few years now. If you want to upgrade a player from the rookie list you just have to have an open list spot.

Therefore, the pick doesn't actually get used.

There’s our pick for Grundy.

Whats Port up to? Late picks for points to Brisbane for Dev Robertson, Dev to WC with Georgiades for pick 2, then 2 for JHF?

24 minutes ago, A F said:

I reckon it's too early to say. Let's see what happens with that pick.

I wonder if pies will end up accepting 27. A poster recently put up Bedford and 33 for pick 21, maybe Giants won’t take that,  and now it’s 27 + Bedford for 21?

Hopefully pick 27 will do for Collingwood, and we can play around with whatever we get for Toby toward something else.