Premiership dreams are made of KPF

[ElDiablo14 5,000]

Now that the season is over...and so is the GF.. I wanted to distract my head of thinking about Geelong Premiers 🤮🤮🤮🤮

We definitely need a huge KPF and not a injury prone and expensive Ruckman.

If we were to use all our resources and, despite the contractual circumstances of any of these KPF, who would DL take?

I have heard many names:

Harry McKay 

Ben King 

Logan McDonald

Any other KPF that may be available to us?

Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

[adonski 12,194]

Most premiership sides of recent years have had average key forwards

Logan McDonald continues to get overrated, has had as many good games as the Weid 

Edited September 24, 2022 by adonski

[Demon Disciple 12,167]

Goody ain’t going down that route ED

[Redleg 40,946]

8 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Now that the season is over...and so is the GF.. I wanted to distract my head of thinking about Geelong Premiers 🤮🤮🤮🤮

We definitely need a huge KPF and not a injury prone and expensive Ruckman.

If we were to use all our resources and, despite the contractual circumstances of any of these KPF, who would DL take?

I have heard many names:

Harry McKay 

Ben King 

Logan McDonald

Any other KPF that may be available to us?

Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

Who won last year?

This game has been won by 22 blokes playing for each other, with relentless pressure and hardness at the ball, against a soft bunch of fumbly nervous boys.

That said I am sure we are looking for a key forward.

[ElDiablo14 5,000]

12 minutes ago, adonski said:

Most premiership sides of recent years have had average key forwards

Logan McDonald continues to get overrated, has had as many good games as the Weid 

Richmond got Tom Lynch after they lost in 2018.

WCE had a great FWD line in 2018

I think structurally is not sustainable to have a subpar KPF, not if we want to win multiple flags.

[adonski 12,194]

Just now, ElDiablo14 said:

Richmond got Tom Lynch after they lost in 2018.

WCE had a great FWD line in 2018

I think structurally is not sustainable to have a subpar KPF, not if we want to win multiple flags.

Fair enough, but ultimately Jeelong have smashed the Swans in the middle & in general play. Jeelong would be winning today regardless of who they had up forward to kick it to.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Wrong thread.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Clint Bizkit

[Jaded No More 68,965]

Incorrect. Premiership dreams are made of midfields, defensive two way running and contested possessions. 
Fritta kicked 6 in a GF last year. 

[drysdale demon 4,837]

33 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Richmond got Tom Lynch after they lost in 2018.

WCE had a great FWD line in 2018

I think structurally is not sustainable to have a subpar KPF, not if we want to win multiple flags.

You could of been their key forward today and they still would of belted the swans.

[BDA 22,755]

A KPF will make a difference for us. Definitely

But I think getting properly fit and rediscovering or pressure and intensity will make a bigger difference

[pitmaster 3,561]

2 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

You could of been their key forward today and they still would of belted the swans.

This is so mistaken. We routinely did what Geelong did in the first quarter - won contested footy, won clearances, and won inside 50s, but we could not turn it into the sort of domination the Cats had with Hawkins, Stengle, Cameron, Smith all threatening to score. And they did it with Hawkins only 50% effective. Forwards matter and so does efficiency and that's where we have to make up ground.

[praha 11,240]

Geelong's KPF weren't the difference today. They won off the back of pressure and relentless transition off the turnover. Which evidently is exactly how we won last year.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

We need a Key Forward well before today. The Swans were pathetic. 
Franklin is a key Forward who did absolutely nothing. I think that is the worst GF Performance i can remember. 
key forwards get fed from Midfielders

[mo64 5,875]

7 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

This is so mistaken. We routinely did what Geelong did in the first quarter - won contested footy, won clearances, and won inside 50s, but we could not turn it into the sort of domination the Cats had with Hawkins, Stengle, Cameron, Smith all threatening to score. And they did it with Hawkins only 50% effective. Forwards matter and so does efficiency and that's where we have to make up ground.

Exactly. You need reward for effort, otherwise you keep the opposition in the contest.

A key forward and another damaging small forward is a must.

[Fritta and Turner 4,432]

Stengles 50 goals made a massive difference

[drysdale demon 4,837]

12 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

This is so mistaken. We routinely did what Geelong did in the first quarter - won contested footy, won clearances, and won inside 50s, but we could not turn it into the sort of domination the Cats had with Hawkins, Stengle, Cameron, Smith all threatening to score. And they did it with Hawkins only 50% effective. Forwards matter and so does efficiency and that's where we have to make up ground.

Intense pressure, relentless tackling and gut running will win finals, we failed to do this in the back half of the season in most games. 

[Sydee 4,446]

8 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Intense pressure, relentless tackling and gut running will win finals, we failed to do this in the back half of the season in most games. 

I agree with this but I also think players tire when their relentless pressure and tackling doesn’t get rewarded and the opposition defence easily clear the ball 

To be successful we need both elements , relentless pressure and tackling coupled with an effective system of delivery to capable forwards - I’d suggest the last two need a bit of refinement 

[Little Goffy 14,578]

Well, looking back over the Grand Final winning teams, they've EITHER got a pair of outstanding key position forwards OR they've got solid key forwards who provide a contest and must be watched and in that process they open opportunities for other types and 'shapes' of players to really hit hard.

You can compare the Riewoldt-only Richmond with the Riewoldt+Lynch Richmond, or the 2022 Hawkins+Cameron Geelong against the 2007 Mooney+'Young' Hawkins Geelong.

If your key talls are able to play their role and you've got some dangerous other forwards and mids (Eg. Chapman & Stevie J, or Fritsch & Pickett), then there's no need at all to have superstar key position players out there, and the draft selections and salary cap could be better used.

 

Side note, the teams other than Geelong with the 'best' (most goals) pairs of key forwards are

Carlton (the last two Coleman medallists, no less)

Richmond (Reiwoldt & Lynch)

West Coast (Kennedy & Darling)

Gold Coast (Chol and Casboult)

Adelaide (Walker & Fogarty)

Hawthorn (Lewis and Gunston)

St Kilda (King and Membrey)

 

It predicts nothing. In fact, the 'two good targets' teams are almost perfectly evenly spread across the ladder.

 

 

[drysdale demon 4,837]

4 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I agree with this but I also think players tire when their relentless pressure and tackling doesn’t get rewarded and the opposition defence easily clear the ball 

To be successful we need both elements , relentless pressure and tackling coupled with an effective system of delivery to capable forwards - I’d suggest the last two need a bit of refinement 

Capable forwards doesn't mean a huge KPF, and yes delivery is important.

[Little Goffy 14,578]

Last time Geelong won a premiership, James Podsiadly was their leading goalkicker for the season. He was stretchered off midway through the second term of the Grand Final.

[Monbon 1,840]

37 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

Intense pressure, relentless tackling and gut running will win finals, we failed to do this in the back half of the season in most games. 

Mainly cos most had no legs...

[rufus 1,162]

1 hour ago, drysdale demon said:

Intense pressure, relentless tackling and gut running will win finals, we failed to do this in the back half of the season in most games. 

You have 100% perfectly summed up what wins finals, and in reality what wins any game between decent sides. And also summed up how we failed this year.

Good thing is, in theory these things should be easier to fix than other problems (like huge talent gaps). Our players have shown they are capable before,  but are they prepared to go to the level required to do it again?

[DeeSpencer 25,718]

Hawkins kicked 2 goals grabbing it from the ruck and I didn’t really know if Cameron was playing in the first half.

Blicavs is the Cats most important structural player and it’s tragic that the closest player to doing what he does is leaving us this year. 

The Cats ability to create a spare defender by dropping a ruckman or mid to half back whilst not losing clearances is their brilliance.

They do this by 2 ways. One, keeping shape around the contest which means if they win the ball they can work it through the hands. At the same time they don’t overcommit numbers at the contest and pressure incredibly well to force disposals that lead to turnovers. 

We need to find the right balance forward but we need to recommit to pressure with our mids and work on our clean ball use on the outside. Nothing special with kicking skills, far more about run, spread, overlap to create easy ball use.

Key forwards will be important but not as important as the above stuff.

[monoccular 17,432]

2 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Goody ain’t going down that route ED

Well at least I hope and expect he will at least show a bit of flexibility in the game plan, or at very least reset what didn’t (for many reasons) work in 2022. 

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Fair enough, but ultimately Jeelong have smashed the Swans in the middle & in general play. Jeelong would be winning today regardless of who they had up forward to kick it to.

Having competitive strong men up forward makes a huge difference and gives the mids confidence that every forward thrust won’t be immediately returned. 

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We need a Key Forward well before today. The Swans were pathetic. 
Franklin is a key Forward who did absolutely nothing. I think that is the worst GF Performance i can remember. 
key forwards get fed from Midfielders

Past tense - Franklin WAS a key forward, a great athlete but well past his prime.  

[monoccular 17,432]

14 minutes ago, rufus said:

You have 100% perfectly summed up what wins finals, and in reality what wins any game between decent sides. And also summed up how we failed this year.

Good thing is, in theory these things should be easier to fix than other problems (like huge talent gaps). Our players have shown they are capable before,  but are they prepared to go to the level required to do it again?

And your last sentence applies to both mental and physical preparedness.  I believe they can find it again.