Hawks racism allegations (merged thread)

[Lucifers Hero 40,517]

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

I use a parmesan/pecorino blend on The Manor's signature spag bol !

Hmmm, Not quite the same thing. 

There are no blends in real Italian cheeses.

Worth tracking down the real thing otherwise it is like 'chalk and cheese' no pun intended but its true.

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

Venezuelian Beaver Cheese?

[layzie 34,336]

18 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Hmmm, Not quite the same thing. 

There are no blends in real Italian cheeses.

Worth tracking down the real thing otherwise it is like 'chalk and cheese' no pun intended but its true.

I agree but I definitely think you meant that pun!

[Diamond_Jim 12,687]

Seems that a few of the impacted families aren't happy with the AFL tribunal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-05/afl-announces-panel-for-investigation-into-hawthorn-allegations/101503386

Responding to news that Bernard Quinn KC will chair a panel including barristers Tim Goodwin, Julie Buxton and Jacqualyn Turfrey, a member of one of the families interviewed by ABC Sport and for the Hawthorn review said she had been caught unawares by the announcement.

A member of another of the Hawthorn families said: "Nobody from the AFL has communicated with us at all on anything".

She said her family had also been rocked by media reports claiming that former Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson, who has denied allegations against him, may commence his coaching duties at North Melbourne before the completion of the investigation.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,788]

On 10/4/2022 at 1:01 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

Done right, a boarding school education can be empowering and life-changing, in the best ways, for First Nations students. Done wrong, it can wreak untold harm.

Many of the young people and parents with whom I worked describe how they experienced or witnessed abuses of power during their time at boarding school. Whether generated by malice or the best of intent, the consequences for the young person were equally damaging

While I'm sure a significantly larger shift in culture for First Nations students, those statements apply for any student...

[BoBo 2,953]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Seems that a few of the impacted families aren't happy with the AFL tribunal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-05/afl-announces-panel-for-investigation-into-hawthorn-allegations/101503386

Responding to news that Bernard Quinn KC will chair a panel including barristers Tim Goodwin, Julie Buxton and Jacqualyn Turfrey, a member of one of the families interviewed by ABC Sport and for the Hawthorn review said she had been caught unawares by the announcement.

A member of another of the Hawthorn families said: "Nobody from the AFL has communicated with us at all on anything".

She said her family had also been rocked by media reports claiming that former Hawks coach Alastair Clarkson, who has denied allegations against him, may commence his coaching duties at North Melbourne before the completion of the investigation.

This seems prescient:

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12825394

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4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Venezuelian Beaver Cheese?

Reported

[Sir Why You Little 37,307]

14 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Reported

Japanese Sage Derby?

[rpfc 28,906]

4 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Japanese Sage Derby?

Confusedly reported.

[BoBo 2,953]

1 hour ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

While I'm sure a significantly larger shift in culture for First Nations students, those statements apply for any student...

Are these the larger cultural shifts you mean? Or applying to any student?

From the article:

‘Examples include staff presuming that a student had special learning needs, despite evidence to the contrary. One young woman was top of her class but required to attend supplementary English as a Second Language lessons with the overseas students. Today she is a doctor. Young men reported being banned from speaking in their home languages at school or in the boarding house.

Another was told that their family of origin was a “dead loss” and that the school family who mentored them should be their family now. Two young women explained how humiliated they felt when a poster was fixed to the bathroom wall telling them how, and how often, to wash themselves’

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

23 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Are these the larger cultural shifts you mean? Or applying to any student?

From the article:

‘Examples include staff presuming that a student had special learning needs, despite evidence to the contrary. One young woman was top of her class but required to attend supplementary English as a Second Language lessons with the overseas students. Today she is a doctor. Young men reported being banned from speaking in their home languages at school or in the boarding house.

Another was told that their family of origin was a “dead loss” and that the school family who mentored them should be their family now. Two young women explained how humiliated they felt when a poster was fixed to the bathroom wall telling them how, and how often, to wash themselves’

Bobo , I have taught aboriginal (Koorie was the accepted term then)kids  in both high schools and KODE schools. I have life examples of every point in that article that both support it and deny it.

High horsed support of the oppressed Koorie kid is just as irrelevant as higher horsed support of the notion that Koorie kids fail despite all the help they are given

There are no solutions that fit all cases. 

In my experience, the notion of family or kin is far more important than the notion of being black or Koorie or aboriginal. This of course complicates the matter even further.

My point is, avoid generalisations, the matter is far more complex.

[Willmoy1947 4,198]

One message for Mclachlan......get out, before you are remembered for more than what you deserve.

You will be anyway..

[BoBo 2,953]

9 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Bobo , I have taught aboriginal (Koorie was the accepted term then)kids  in both high schools and KODE schools. I have life examples of every point in that article that both support it and deny it.

High horsed support of the oppressed Koorie kid is just as irrelevant as higher horsed support of the notion that Koorie kids fail despite all the help they are given

There are no solutions that fit all cases. 

In my experience, the notion of family or kin is far more important than the notion of being black or Koorie or aboriginal. This of course complicates the matter even further.

My point is, avoid generalisations, the matter is far more complex.

Ok no worries, thanks for the comment Bitter.

I do try to avoid generalisations and sincerely take on advice to avoid generalisations when I’m explicitly or implicitly making generalisations which I’ll own up too. 

Always open to that, I don’t know everything (or really anything truth be told). 
 

I’m asking Mullet to justify his overtly generalised comment in account of the specific claims (not general claims which you’ve stated for me to keep away from) made in the article that ‘those statements apply for any student’.

Given that:

 

Indigenous kids being ‘banned’ from speaking their home language seems pretty strange considering I’d hazard a guess that people from Italy, Spain, Indonesia, China, Nigeria, French Canada etc. etc. etc. probably aren’t being told the same thing. 
 

So that’s weird considering they live here and unless speaking a language apart from Australian English is outlawed, that’s a strange thing to ‘ban’.
 

I also wonder how many non-indigenous, economically wealthy (considering it’s a boarding school) people were told their family of origin was a ‘dead loss’ and that the school family that mentored them was their family now. 
 

That’s literally cult behaviour which I’m sure you would agree.

 

Don’t feel like I need to engage with the whole how to and how much you should wash. 

 

But all that is by the by really. 
 

What I really want to know is considering you are against generalisations (which I asserted none), why didn’t you aim the ‘don’t make generalisations’ point to the commenter who made blatant generalisations against specific claims made in the article that he didn’t read, but to my reply??

 

Why would you aim the ‘don’t generalise’ comment to the person that is asking another poster to not generalise?

I’m sincerely not implying anything further than, if you don’t want people to generalise, then why are you aiming that at me in this situation? I’m trying to clarify Mullets overt generalisation?

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[radar 1,865]

Report author now facing alleged business malpractice charges

[whatwhat say what 23,428]

29 minutes ago, radar said:

Report author now facing alleged business malpractice charges

from over a decade ago and completely unrelated to his reporting into the racism allegations

herald-sun clearly briefing against him; unsurprising considering that they have kennett on their books

[jnrmac 20,276]

what a shemozzle

[TRIGON 4,792]

18 hours ago, radar said:

Report author now facing alleged business malpractice charges

It's 'deflection time'...

[whatwhat say what 23,428]

boy oh boy wowee

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-coach-alastair-clarkson-to-step-away-from-football-indefinitely-20230518-p5d9bh.html?btis

[Adam The God 30,603]

Yeah, huge. I thought the game had passed Ross Lyon, but maybe it's passed Clarkson.

[whatwhat say what 23,428]

official north statement: https://www.nmfc.com.au/news/1333348/club-statement-alastair-clarkson

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

he has had a serious health issue in the past. Could be something to do with that.  

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

1 minute ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

Hmmm, why would he step away if he is innocent?

That is beside the point, coaching a rock bottom team is hard enough - add to that these allegations that are being drawn out, any normal person would have buckled a long time ago.

[dazzledavey36 55,868]

Wow, not cool at all. 

I must admit I was saying to a mate over the weekend that I felt the stress of the job and the outside stuff with the investigation was taking a toll on Clarko.

Has looked completely dishevelled and burnt out recently. 

Hope he's okay.

Edited May 18, 2023 by dazzledavey36