POSTGAME: SF vs Brisbane

[Mr Steve 3,820]

2 hours ago, dees189227 said:

I still feel angry today. The only thing that will make me feel better is if freo win tonight 

Trying to work out which of the interstate teams I hate the least. Can't barrack for Pies or Cat.

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

3 minutes ago, Edward Langdon said:

The fitness is the most pressing issue IMO. You can’t argue that there isn’t a correlation between fitness issues and poor 4th quarters.

Wanna bet - have you not read the previous 20 pages....

[loges 6,767]

Actually flagged our wasteful forward entries as far back as the Port Adelaide game when we turned what should have been an absolute thumping into just an ordinary win, didn't get much traction on here but has plagued us most of the year. Not usually a Goody critic but I think it was on or around this time that regarding one of our games he said of the last quarter" we didn't have to score to win the opposition did". Well that comment has come back to haunt him. I think AFL football is a game in which you should always be trying to score unless clinging to a lead near the end.

Three things must be addressed 

Forward line structure and tactics,. Why we can't run out games when it's was a strength last year. Why did our pressure rating drop from one of the best to one of the worst.

[IRW 1,386]

2 hours ago, KysaiahMessiah said:

About to watch Melbourne play in a final.  Storm that is.  Unfortunately their season has progressed like ours, falling away at the end.  Hope they step up.  Still amuses me it’s called “footy” even though I like it as a spectacle.  Footy?

There is little similarity beyond this year.

Brutally professional ,for which they are hated  and very very successful over recent seasons 

[IRW 1,386]

35 minutes ago, Mr Steve said:

Trying to work out which of the interstate teams I hate the least. Can't barrack for Pies or Cat.

Watch the Pies play,ignore their fans and I dare you not to support them now we are out.

[John Crow Batty 8,860]

Gawn apologises to fans. Calling the MCG “our fortress” is a bit of a sick joke since they haven’t all season. 

“but on Saturday were lamenting they had failed to protect their “fortress”, that being the MCG, in both games.”

Edited September 10, 2022 by John Crow Batty

[Demon Disciple 12,059]

1 hour ago, Mr Steve said:

Trying to work out which of the interstate teams I hate the least. Can't barrack for Pies or Cat.

Swans. They deserve it, but also the good old theatrics of the Lions with their constant complaining whilst being serial offenders themselves sees my disdain for them grow each week. They are a bunch of sooks, lead by their captain and coach.

[everythingsablur 30]

Saw this coming after the Sydney loss so I've been mentally prepared the whole week. Still gutted.

It's been said a hundred times but it all comes down to one word - fitness.

As frustrating as the game plan is to watch, if they execute it with elite fitness and mental buy-in then we would have won every game including this one. This is what Goody is counting on.

The problem is firmly with Selwyn Griffith. Despite him following in Burgess' footsteps, I've heard he has absolutely smashed them this year and it shows. He is also clearly missing the mental fitness edge too. Hopefully he learns from this and fast.

Bring on 23!

 

[Brownie 5,969]

10 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Gus should never have been on Neale for more than a quarter or so.  Sparrow and/or Harmes for mine.

As ive harped on for weeks.... Gus shouldve been returned to his 2021 premiership winning position of Wing/HF after the first few games in the middle where it was clear (within about three weeks of the experiment) that it was a one trick pony and failing the team.

Dunstan was a must in for Sparrow for mine as well.  Been in ripping form at Casey of late.

It was also clear by half time last night that Rivers was cooked.  Goody refused to swing the medi sub axe and bring Smith on as he as done all season, at the detriment of the team and club.  You need to bend and tweak every rule you can as a coach wherever possible.  Goody needs to stop talking the RUTHLESS talk and start walking it himself.  And not just in this example, needs to stop playing faourites and base more of his changes on blocks of form, rewarding those at Casey who deserve it and asking more from anyone in the 22 who needs the break to work on specific issues etc.

Season 2022 will be remembered as a Massive Opportunity Lost for this club.

Last night's result was nothing less than atrocious.

Totally agree. On form (and today's performance), there were a handful of players that should have been the sub ahead of Smith too.

Geez I enjoyed watching Casey today. A high performing, cohesive team. Bittersweet 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

10 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Losing every game in almost identical fashion ....

 tailored their game to implement virtually identical strategy and tactics. It’s like there is a handbook out there on how to beat Melbourne. Just tick off the boxes. Our coaching staff paralysed by their own over confidence and hubris. 

Fabulous post JCB.  There were other issues as listed like the low pressure levels, especially inside 50, lack of decent delivery inside 50, very poor / slow transition off HB far too often, lack of a 2nd tall forward, smalls not working hard enough to get to the drop more often (front & square), default kicks to the pocket & bombing far too often etc etc etc.

But you also have to look at our game style / methods which are or may have been surpassed by other team's styles as we speak such as the Pies & the Swans.  That doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bath water but we should at least go back to the drawing board, pick the whole system apart and re-assess every aspect of ball movement as well as offensive and defensive methods prior to the start of the pre-season.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

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2 hours ago, Edward Langdon said:

I thought Langdon played well.

The culmination of a fantastic season by the young lad.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, John Crow Batty said:

Gawn apologises to fans. Calling the MCG “our fortress” is a bit of a sick joke since they haven’t all season. 

“but on Saturday were lamenting they had failed to protect their “fortress”, that being the MCG, in both games.”

Incredible that players, especially Leaders, are still running their mouths.  Even after a diabolical finals series.

Goodwin needs to get a hold of this cheap rubbish / nonsense talk and shut it down well before 2023 commences.

Max is forgetting the very fabric of the culture that won us our first premiership in 57 years...

"When all is said and done, more is said than done".

Edited September 10, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[layzie 33,729]

2 hours ago, Swooper1987 said:

Since 2011 when Geelong won the flag, the record of reigning premiers is as follows:

2012 - Geelong loses elimination final after finishing 6th in H&A

2013 - Sydney loses prelim after finishing 4th in H&A

2014 - Hawthorn wins flag

2015 - Hawthorn wins flag

2016 - Hawthorn loses semi final after finishing 3rd in H&A (straight sets)

2017 - Western Bulldogs finish 10th - 11 wins

2018 - Richmond loses prelim after finishing 1st in H&A.

2019 - West Coast loses semi final after finishing 5th in H&A

2020 - Richmond wins flag

2021 - Richmond finishes 12th - 9.5 wins

2022 - Melbourne loses semi after finishing 2nd H&A

Nobody has come runner up the year after winning a flag in this period; two sides have made a prelim and lost; three have bowed out at the semi final stage; one in the first week and two didn't qualify to defend. 

Our performance was about the "average" for a defending premier over this period.  A very hard draw, untimely injuries to important players and perhaps a lack of imagination (or too much faith) from the coaches box all contributed to the seasons result, and should provide some confidence that we will be in the frame again next year.

Great post, they're hard to win and even back up with good years.

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

Langdon would have to have kicked the most out-on-the full balls of any player this year. Would be genuinely interested in that stat.

I rate his overlap run, but like so many of our players, his deficiencies cancel out so much of his good work. Like Petracca with his goal kicking both set shot and on the run.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver and Viney need to halve the amount of blind bomb kicks they do both out of centre bounce and around the ground. The amount of opposition turnover scores that result from those kinds of kicks would be of interest me. It absolutely kills me how much composure those guys lack at times. 

Many issues but our unforced errors from so many of our top-liners really kill us and have contributed to our moments of loss of momentum as well as our inability to really put teams to the sword when we've been up in games.

We simply need to add more finishing, composure and kicking skills to our squad. We are too one-dimensional as a midfield and half-forward unit.

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by JimmyGadson

[layzie 33,729]

Let's get this out of the way because in the end this was one of those 'don't know where to look' losses.

- Lions won their first game at the G since 2014, gross

- Zorko got revenge, I hated this rematch being so close to our last game so much.

- Fagan wrote the wrong and now is 3 and 5 in finals.

- Faded out again, it sucked.

- Beaten by the team we had the wood over. Again, you numps who thought this was a gimme please turn in your cards.

 

Those are the honest points out of the way now for the positives.

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12 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

Langdon would have to have kicked the most out-on-the full balls of any player this year. Would be genuinely interested in that stat.

I rate his overlap run, but like so many of our players, his deficiencies cancel out so much of his good work. Like Petracca with his goal kicking both set shot and on the run.

Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver and Viney need to halve the amount of blind bomb kicks they do both out of centre bounce and around the ground. The amount of opposition turnover scores that result from those kinds of kicks would be of interest me. It absolutely kills me how much composure those guys lack at times. 

Many issues but our unforced errors from so many of our top-liners really kill us and have contributed to our moments of loss of momentum as well as our inability to really put teams to the sword when we've been up in games.

We simply need to add more finishing, composure kicking skills to our squad. We are too one-dimensional as a midfield and half-forward unit.

 

Reckon Brayshaw gives him a run for out on the fulls 

[Melb16 491]

2 hours ago, loges said:

Actually flagged our wasteful forward entries as far back as the Port Adelaide game when we turned what should have been an absolute thumping into just an ordinary win, didn't get much traction on here but has plagued us most of the year. Not usually a Goody critic but I think it was on or around this time that regarding one of our games he said of the last quarter" we didn't have to score to win the opposition did". Well that comment has come back to haunt him. I think AFL football is a game in which you should always be trying to score unless clinging to a lead near the end.

This was actually the R2 game vs GC that Goody said this and I agree. I thought at the time it would come back to bite us. 
 

Even if you don’t need to score, practising doing it doesn’t hurt!!

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2 hours ago, IRW said:

Watch the Pies play,ignore their fans and I dare you not to support them now we are out.

Certainly play an attractive brand 

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1 minute ago, Melb16 said:

This was actually the R2 game vs GC that Goody said this and I agree. I thought at the time it would come back to bite us. 
 

Even if you don’t need to score, practising doing it doesn’t hurt!!

People who think our scoring problem was only after Rd 10 are up the wrong tree we got away with it because we were playing poor sides

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,777]

On 9/9/2022 at 10:49 PM, bing181 said:

We always needed two tall key defenders. Without the likes of Joel Smith or even Turner, Petty always had to fill that role.

Also, I bet that if it had been Petty instead of Lever in that last bizarre play it wouldn't have cost us a goal. Swings and roundabouts. But can see Ben Brown playing out his contract at Casey.

The goal  and 50 m against Lever didn’t matter, since it was  too late for us to get 2 more goals at that point.

BUT…… I don’t think it was a correct decision, because…….. when Lever put the ball on the ground he was being tackled, but where? Below the knees.. i.e.  a trip. I think that’s why he did his block.

If Pickett hadn’t missed that gimme a few minutes earlier, I reckon we’d have won. We were coming back strongly, despite all the posts about our lack of fitness at the end.

[58er 6,377]

8 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Incredible that players, especially Leaders, are still running their mouths.  Even after a diabolical finals series.

Goodwin needs to get a hold of this cheap rubbish / nonsense talk and shut it down well before 2023 commences.

Max is forgetting the very fabric of the culture that won us our first premiership in 57 years...

"When all is said and done, more is said than done".

I don't share your view John. Maxy was saying in effect that we need to build the G as a Fortress and have failed to do so and especially these 2 Finals.

Good logic as Simon admitted about our frailties which he didn't admit really that the attempt on the run was a very half hearted and botched job.

A few serious team selection changes were  not done as well as game day moves rotations or flexibility with our sub. 

Further more a positive outlook for the 4th quarter not just defending leads was totally necessary and confusing.

In addition playing of some players with minor injuries or even more serious ones did not reap rewards at all over the season. 

We we're not far off in 7 of the games we lost but the above plus from now inconsistency from many role players hurt Our results.

Ridiculously conservative selection also mitigated our results and a change in our support Coaching staff seems necessary especially the forward line.

We shall wait and see.

 

 

 

[picket fence 17,027]

23 hours ago, Deenooos_ said:

Yeh well this season will surely be a wakeup call, probably the reason teams fall away after a flag. We could come back even stronger next year in a similar way to 2021 now that 2022 is out of the way.

The only concern is with Goody, I hope the coaches come to their senses and switch up the way we attack because it just isn't efficient enough and fix up our defence off opposition transition, killed us all year...

AND That only concern about Goody is a huge one, because given his reluctance to change, nothing will change! If we continue to do the same thing next year re game plan, not only will we struggle, we wont make the 8. Ponder that for a second and then tell me what then??

[Flag 2021 143]

Petty looked good forward (was good most of the year) and could have played there all match.

I'd have brought back Disco to fill his backline spot.

I thought Rick was trying not to let the ball go out.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

AND That only concern about Goody is a huge one, because given his reluctance to change, nothing will change! If we continue to do the same thing next year re game plan, not only will we struggle, we wont make the 8. Ponder that for a second and then tell me what then??

Absolutely agree although we might just scrape in to the finals with another ordinary result (eg;  one win then out the next week, no PF appearance).

Anything other than a PF this season should be viewed as a severe Fail mark for the club as a whole.

We were just beaten by a visiting club in a semi (a level down from the PF) that hasn't won a game at the G since 2014 with a massive home crowd advantage, who had no genuine serious ruckman and their best KF AWOL.

Anyone (Club Land Goody & the FD included) thinking we will just reset and pretty much go around again next season as we are, with just few tweaks to personnel and/or minor or no tweaks to game style, are kidding themselves.

We failed to make a PF as predicted and at least three of the top four clubs have passed us in a convincing manor.

This club needs to do a full review of game style, offensive methods and defensive methods as well as serious additions, especially at least one other tall key forward coming through either through the draft or trade and an attempt to pick up a very classy ball user deliverer through the middle or off HB.

In addition the forward line plus inability of mids to connect with it has been a massive fail all season and are the two areas that need to come under the most scrutiny.

Only my view and may not be available anyway, but i'd be going after Gary Ablett Jnr big time as the new forward line/mid field connect coach OR at the very least as an additional specialist forward craft/kicking coach.

If we also roll into 2023 with same set up up here (forward coach) we will be doomed to another year of no PF and a back to back fail with further teams, like the Blues and potentially others like the Dogs and Freo, passing us by.

There's a worrying 'she'll be right' complaceny creeping in and it needs to be hit on the head with a serious review then action required if we're to adjust, make approrpiate fixes/tweaks/list changes, before heading into the 2023 campaign.

I hope Kate is seeing it this way also and not still basking in the 2021 glory with her rose coloured glasses on.  Fingers crossed!

Edited September 10, 2022 by Demon Dynasty

[Lucifers Hero 39,475]

2 hours ago, Flag 2021 said:

Petty looked good forward (was good most of the year) and could have played there all match.

I'd have brought back Disco to fill his backline spot.

I thought Rick was trying not to let the ball go out.

Absolutely right.  With < 2 minutes left and we had just goaled, within reach of a win no way he would want a stoppage.  Ditto no way he would want to run down the clock and hold up play.  The ump was a bit whistle happy there with the 50m.