Join @george_on_the_outer, @binman & I on the Demonland Podcast Monday night 15th August LIVE @ 8:30pm for breakdown of the Round 22 win against Carlton.

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Feel free to post your questions and comments for the guys and we'll read them out on the show.

Question:

Harry Petty does a brilliant job one on one one against Curnow to spoil and not infringe, only just hitting Curnow's outstretched arms as happens in 50 aerial contests a match. 

Yet the umpire pays a free. Ok, that's the benchmark for a marking infringement.

Brown and Gawn get scragged and their arms held and/or smashed at every aerial contest they are engaged in in and yet receive barely a single free between them.

What up with that?

P.S - asking for a friend.

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by binman

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Question:

Harry Petty does a brilliant job one on one one against Curnow to spoil and not infringe, only just hitting Curnow's outstretched arms as happens in 50 aerial contests a match. 

Yet the umpire pays a free. Ok, that's the benchmark for a marking infringement.

Brown and Gawn get scragged and their arms held and/or smashed at every aerial contest they are engaged in in and yet receive barely a shingle free between them.

What up with that?

P.S - asking for a friend.

1. You can't ask questions

2. You are absolutely right and I already have that in my notes. Brown has his arms chopped in almost every contest he is in but barely ever gets a free for it. We seem to get at least 1 free or more a week resulting in a shot at goal for some kind of marking infringement in our backline.

I'd like to hear from the panel what level of 'crazy' they went to when kozzie kicked the winner.

As a club were we happy with the last 2 home attendances? 

 

Who would you consider a certainty to make the AA team?

What are Binman's thoughts on the premiership metrics topic posted by @WheeloRatings?

I'd like to hear from the panel and listeners if (especially in the last two weeks) when we're losing they also put their wireless ear buds in the ears to block out the impending final siren opposition roar that hurts too much and then when Kozzie kicked the winning the buds went flying out and needed some serious finding afterwards!

18 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'd like to hear from the panel and listeners if (especially in the last two weeks) when we're losing they also put their wireless ear buds in the ears to block out the impending final siren opposition roar that hurts too much and then when Kozzie kicked the winning the buds went flying out and needed some serious finding afterwards!

I actually left the MCG to my own demise... At least was able to stop at Gate 4 and scream like crazy with other fellow demons

Several media pundits, as well as some Demonlanders, are posturing (correctly in my view) that we are currently playing conservative football, without the match-winning ‘flare & dare’ that proved so successful in the recent past.

What do the panel think about this aspect of our play, and in particular, what is the reason for it (?).  Is it a structural / personnel / form issue (?).  Is it a tactical decision on our part, and if so why (?);  Is it being forced upon us by opposition tactics (?).  Is it an approach we can readily revive now that we are at the pointy end of the season (?).

Thanks

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by Deeoldfart

I was at the game and thought a number of our players were not moving freely. Question for the panel: do you also see that?

I understand the football dept. adopted the Burgess mantra last year and have continued this year, of resilience(don’t necessarily nurse/rest injuries and niggles, rather continue to train and play through). I also understand these injuries and niggles are monitored by experienced professionals but I am wondering maybe the cumulative effects across the team are starting to impact players Gawn, Trac, Kossie, Lever, Salem, Brayshaw to name a few. Your thoughts please.

45 minutes ago, Demonland said:

1. You can't ask questions

2. You are absolutely right and I already have that in my notes. Brown has his arms chopped in almost every contest he is in but barely ever gets a free for it. We seem to get at least 1 free or more a week resulting in a shot at goal for some kind of marking infringement in our backline.

You can also add May be pushed in the center of the back ,  by McKay ( using his hands not his forearms )  , so McKay could mark

I would LOVE you guys (all three of you!) to sing Melksy’s praises! Loud and unrestrained. 
He’s copped nothing but disdain on Demonland, and from Dees fans in general. Goody even mentioned in his post-match that Jake has been maligned.

It’d be so cool to hear you guys talk about the Melksy qualities and how they can help us go all the way!

Thank you 🙂

1 minute ago, RedsoxMan said:

You can also add May be pushed in the center of the back ,  by McKay ( using his hands not his forearms )  , so McKay could mark

Yet the majority of Carlton supporters claim they were hard done by the umpires 🤦🏻‍♂️

Big Benny Brown was either constantly running under the ball in marking contest or was only using the one hand to take attempt to take a mark. Was he misreading the ball coming in and is he only using one hand in an attempt to bring the ball to ground? What going on with Brown? I know this question is asked every single week but do you think we will consider bringing in another tall or do we cross our fingers and hope that TMac miraculously recovers for finals and is match fit?

Kozzy's knee was heavily strapped this week and he appeared to be limping most of the match and didn't have the usual zip that he has. Is he injured? Thankfully we played him but should we be playing players that are clearly injured.

2 hours ago, binman said:

Question:

Harry Petty does a brilliant job one on one one against Curnow to spoil and not infringe, only just hitting Curnow's outstretched arms as happens in 50 aerial contests a match. 

Yet the umpire pays a free. Ok, that's the benchmark for a marking infringement.

Brown and Gawn get scragged and their arms held and/or smashed at every aerial contest they are engaged in in and yet receive barely a shingle free between them.

What up with that?

P.S - asking for a friend.

I’ve been banging on about this for months, BBB gets absolutely smashed over and over again and gets doughnuts from the umps. One contest from a few games back I slowmo’d for my wife, BB was simultaneously being arm chopped, pushed in the back and punched in the back of the head, play on said the ump! Naughton would have had the free and a 50 for good measure should the same have occurred to him. I genuinely don’t think BB makes it obvious enough he’s been infringed upon compared to others and as such misses out on several he should get

Do we have the option to tinker and adjust to a greater % of more aggressive ball movement? Or  do we have to stick to what we know, even if some opposition have come up with successful strategies to limit its effectiveness

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by 1964_2
Sorry, just read “deeoldfart” question. Am pretty much asking the same thing, so can scrap this one.

Simple question.

If we lose on Friday and don't finish Top 4, can we win the premiership?

I am of the opinion that absolutely we can and that the with the current finals structure, finishing 5th or 6th gives perhaps an even easier road to PF weekend than finishing 3rd or 4th.

Harmes had 35 possessions for Casey on the weekend and he's been the unused sub for the past 2 weeks. Can you see him getting a call up this week and if so who makes way for him?

Looking ahead to Friday’s game:

If we get up by 4 goals mid way through the last quarter, does Goody keep up the intensity to take 2nd spot or do we revert to the norm and shut up shop happy with securing the top 4 spot? 

I like many think we are a clear rung below Geelong this year. It would be good to hear @Demonland, @binman and @george_on_the_outer nominate one change they would make to team (personnel or tactical) if we are to be any chance to bridge the gap. 

According to the “best analyst in the game”, David King, we’ve become very conservative/boring with our ball movement (from d50 to f50) and champion data has us ranked 17th for it since round 16. We were 1st in the comp from rounds 1-7 (and basically 1st all year last year)
 

What has been the catalyst for this change? We’ve always been a strong defensive side so it’s not like we were leaking goals and now need to play conservative so it’s a head scratcher for mine.

3 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I would LOVE you guys (all three of you!) to sing Melksy’s praises! Loud and unrestrained. 
He’s copped nothing but disdain on Demonland, and from Dees fans in general. Goody even mentioned in his post-match that Jake has been maligned.

It’d be so cool to hear you guys talk about the Melksy qualities and how they can help us go all the way!

Thank you 🙂

Great question- you beat me to it 

I’m sure you’ll get to it anyway but.. does struggling to get over the line against the blues and struggling to put away pies and doggies mean we aren’t really in contention? Last year we felt like clearly the best team in it, albeit with some shock losses along the way. 2022 has a v different flavour. As exciting as Sat eve was I have no idea where we genuinely stand at all. 

43 minutes ago, Stu said:

Looking ahead to Friday’s game:

If we get up by 4 goals mid way through the last quarter, does Goody keep up the intensity to take 2nd spot or do we revert to the norm and shut up shop happy with securing the top 4 spot? 

C'mon if we are 4 goals up we all know the answer. We shut up shop and get rolled