20 hours ago, mo64 said:

 

If a player retires, their salary still falls under the cap. It prevents rorting by clubs. So people suggesting that BBB and Tmac should retire have no idea. That's the equivalent of approx. $1.3 mill of dead money in our cap.

Grundy has currency. Trade him.

No idea ??

Try the mirror.

Retirement through injury invariably a negotiated outcome. 

The figure(s) wont be anything to worry over.

So in a few years when max retires or if the worst happens and max gets injured next year who will be our ruckman. Do we have anyone coming through?

I was excited when we acquired Grundy. I thought it was a good idea. He was kind of a replacement for Jackson who although didn't kick many goals, did spend a lot of time playing as a forward. Now with the problem of not having Tmac and Bbb for various reasons, the need for Grundy to help our forward line grew dramatically. He's good Rickman but where Max dominates his his incredible around the ground marking abily. Grundy doesn't have this skill and it not only makes him a lesser ruckman but even less as a forward.

Not playing at this point of the season is not good for him in playing finals. If our talls in our  forward line work he won't play next week either. Especially from the Casey reports I've heard.

Edited July 30, 20231 yr by leave it to deever

11 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

I was excited when we acquired Grundy. I thought it was a good idea. He was kind of a replacement for Jackson who although didn't kick many goals, did spend a lot of time playing as a forward. Now with the problem of not having Tmac and Bbb for various reasons, the need for Grundy to help our forward line grew dramatically. He's good Rickman but where Max dominates his his incredible around the ground marking abily. Grundy doesn't have this skill and it not only makes him a lesser ruckman but even less as a forward.

Not playing at this point of the season is not good for him in playing finals. If our talls in our  forward line work he won't play next week either. Especially from the Casey reports I've heard.

It was very windy at Casey today which didn't help Grundys chances. He didn't do much at all though 

Grundy’s future just got cloudy

out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s?

4 minutes ago, Constant Mongrel said:

out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s?

Whatever Port's 2nd rounder is I reckon

3 minutes ago, Constant Mongrel said:

out of interest, should grundy be traded, i wonder if we are eligible for a draft pick and if so, what that would be? in the 20s?

IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club.

39 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club.

I was going to give you a thanks emoji, but then I thought to myself that 90% of Demonlanders would surely know you don't get a compensation pick if you trade a player, that it's just a Free Agency thing 😀

I feel a bit for Grundy, but he did choose us, he could’ve gone to a least half a dozen clubs.

To he’s credit he hasn’t  complained yet, he needs to knuckle down now & get his spot back.

Would be pretty poor to give up after one season 

Grundy’s served his purpose by keeping Gawn fresh and firing at the business end of the year.

I think it’s more than fair that we grant him a trade so he can seek the number 1 ruck role elsewhere next year.

Do we rest Gawn next week?

Definitely a good opportunity to rest a few and bring in some fringe/developing players to see what they've got.

Norf are back in contention for pick #1, so they probably won't even put up a fight.

Edited July 30, 20231 yr by JTR

43 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Do we rest Gawn next week?

Not against this.

I'd like to see a few less ruck minutes this week for Max. 

If he stays, I'm OK with having a solid back-up plan for Max, who is into his thirties, and has a history of long-term injuries.

If he goes to Port, I'm OK with it as we can move a big contract off our books, and potentially get a player like Georgiades coming back the other way.

3 hours ago, adonski said:

Whatever Port's 2nd rounder is I reckon

They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis.

Edited July 30, 20231 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

9 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis.

They've horne-swoggled themselves good.

I'll shut the door behind me..

20 hours ago, Demonstone said:

IF Grundy was traded, he wouldn't be a Free Agent (attracting a compensation pick) so any draft pick and/or players would be negotiated between Melbourne and his hypothetical new club.

i was more referring to a pick trade, obviously not a compensation pick..

19 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Do we rest Gawn next week?

Yes. Last real chance before finals.

My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract?

17 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

They don't have draft picks, used them all up for Horne-Francis.

Future 1st rounder and 2nd and/or 3rd round pick swaps as well? If allowed under the trade/draft rules.

36 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Yes. Last real chance before finals.

Not sure l agree on rest for anyone.

(Yes l know I’m a hard a..e)

There is a weeks rest after the last home and away game and we are still in the hunt for 2nd Spot.

Dont think I’d be leaving the door ajar to anyone to knock us off.

 

22 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract?

I think that would be correct. We'd then take on the remainder of what his new contract is.

ie; $950,000 is the apparent figure

New club $600,000

We pay $350,000

Collingwood $0

But I'm probably wrong. Its still a lengthy contact too from memory?

57 minutes ago, SFebes said:

I think that would be correct. We'd then take on the remainder of what his new contract is.

ie; $950,000 is the apparent figure

New club $600,000

We pay $350,000

Collingwood $0

But I'm probably wrong. Its still a lengthy contact too from memory?

 

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

My Pie supporting mate says he heard / read an interview with Graham Wright, he apparently said that should Grundy be traded that they are no longer responsible for part of his wage. Citing their deal was with Melbourne not a third party. I wouldn’t have thought it mattered. Do the Pies have a case on a technicality in his contract?

Doesn't matter, he won't be traded.