Two interesting quotes from the HS article:

At Melbourne, Grundy will take the lion’s share of the ruck duties, meaning six-time All-Australian Max Gawn will play more minutes in a key forward role next year.

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Melbourne believes its premiership window is still wide open despite the loss of Luke Jackson as it cashed in on his departure despite still haggling on a deal for replacement ruckman Brodie Grundy.

The Demons believe Grundy will be an upgrade on Jackson in the short-term future despite the departing premiership player’s undoubted potential and cherished place in the club’s premiership history.

Call me a silly bugger, but....

 

I'm more interested in Gawn going back more like 2021 and Grundy being the more aggressive ruckman kicking to (hopefully) JVR, BBB and TMac.

 

I just want to see him on the premiership dais getting a medal and then the reaction, would be a thing of beauty

Jackson's departure might pave the way for half a decade of brilliance. 

Remember, we didn't start this trade period with pick 27, we traded for it.

So it's actually 33, 43 and 53 for Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

But if you believe the club, we had no intention of ever using 43 and 53.

Which really mean, when it all boils down to it, we spent pick 33 and got Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

Will it work? Who knows. I'm keen to find out. We're paying a reasonably large contract to get him, but we certainly spent very little draft capital compared to his established talent.

  On 11/10/2022 at 07:56, rpfc said:

Again, where is that stated. I have seen and heard $1.5m of the $5m owed. What the ‘loading’ is is not mentioned and also would be something we and the AFL would have to agree.

Well it’s something the clubs agree to as part of the trade, it probably won’t ever be publicly confirmed what the exact terms are by either club so you won’t ever see something offical one way or the other. Up to you who you want to believe in the media as it will be speculated about to no end and certainly some would have legit sources. All we have officially is Pies saying they would pay upto 300k per year prior to the trade period but who know what stings came with that and if we used that as just a starting point.

  On 11/10/2022 at 11:07, titan_uranus said:

Remember, we didn't start this trade period with pick 27, we traded for it.

So it's actually 33, 43 and 53 for Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

But if you believe the club, we had no intention of ever using 43 and 53.

Which really mean, when it all boils down to it, we spent pick 33 and got Grundy (with Collingwood paying some of his salary).

Will it work? Who knows. I'm keen to find out. We're paying a reasonably large contract to get him, but we certainly spent very little draft capital compared to his established talent.

We definitely did the best with what we had.

  On 11/10/2022 at 08:28, Spargonicus said:

 

thats right...!! i'm just turner

  On 11/10/2022 at 09:28, dees189227 said:

Kings birthday will be even more interesting next year.

Pies fans are angry about letting Brodie go

Queens Birthday nightmares now finished. We've never lost a Kings Birthday match - bring it on!

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:46, one_demon said:

Is Gawn and Grundy the best ruck duo ever?  The only other I can think of is Polly Farmer and Sam Newman.

John Nicholls and Percy Jones?

Steve O'Dwyer and Jim Stynes?

Edited October 11, 20222 yr by Demonised
Second thoughts

Do we know what contribution Pies are actually making to his contract. One report is saying we are only getting $150k a year leaving us with $850k. Surely that is wrong and rumoured $300k per year is closer to the mark. 

  On 11/10/2022 at 21:14, Redleg said:

Do we know what contribution Pies are actually making to his contract. One report is saying we are only getting $150k a year leaving us with $850k. Surely that is wrong and rumoured $300k per year is closer to the mark. 

A so called in the know Collingwood person on Bigfooty said Collingwood were paying $150k and Grundy was taking a $100k pay cut, no idea if true or not

There is so much commentary and discussion on "how will gawn and Grundy work" pretty easy from my perspective. Watch our games from 2021/22. Grundy replaces Jackson pretty easy concept

  On 11/10/2022 at 21:39, Bates Mate said:

There is so much commentary and discussion on "how will gawn and Grundy work" pretty easy from my perspective. Watch our games from 2021/22. Grundy replaces Jackson pretty easy concept

Yes, but Gawn is older and more banged up and the FD obviously would like him to be FF and the the back up to a superior ruck, so he isn’t forced back in there when we are struggling. 

Gawn as a forward has its pros and cons, but, injuries aside, Grundy should be able to provide more than Jackson did of course.

I just hope this means Max can have devastating effect when he pinch hits in the ruck against tired opposition ruckmen. Well I hope this is still in the plan because making him a permenent forward concerns me. 

I do wonder if we'll be having Max ruck for the forward 50 and Grundy everywhere else? Time will tell, interested to see how it works. 

  On 11/10/2022 at 10:21, The Jackson FIX said:

I think people recognise he is a big picture innovator (e.g Diamond defence in ‘18), he’s just not particularly flexible/adaptive in the short term (e.g no changes to sides late last yr + Petty going forward only when the game was lost).

We follow a unique sport where teams train in preparation for just about as long as the season itself. The game is also constantly shifting with new tactics and fresh counter-tactics. Geelong won the flag by evolving in the off-season. With such small margins of difference as to equalisation., I genuinely don't think there's much that can be done once the race is underway. 

Grundy rucks around the ground. Max stays a kick behind the play. Takes the opportunity to float forward if presented. Try manning up on that. 

  On 11/10/2022 at 21:39, Bates Mate said:

There is so much commentary and discussion on "how will gawn and Grundy work" pretty easy from my perspective. Watch our games from 2021/22. Grundy replaces Jackson pretty easy concept

In a lot of ways, Grundy is a fully realised Jackson.

Both have basketball backgrounds and can play as an extra midfielder. While Jackson is more agile and has that Nic Nat style x factor, Grundy is a better mark, better tap ruckman and a probably a better forward. 

Jackson also did not have the tank and ability to play full ruck duties while Grundy does. Very easy to see how Grundy slots into our game plan.

  On 11/10/2022 at 05:51, buck_nekkid said:

Strawberry odwyer

Never heard of him

I might have missed it, but what is the Pies rationale for trading Grundy?

Do the pies think he doesn't suit how they want to play or is it as simple as wanting to get his salary off the books?

Do we know how much are we paying him?

I've heard that Collingwood is not paying much, on the other hand it looks like Grundy himself took a pay cut?

  On 12/10/2022 at 00:49, binman said:

I might have missed it, but what is the Pies rationale for trading Grundy?

Do the pies think he doesn't suit how they want to play or is it as simple as wanting to get his salary off the books?

I believe it is mainly a salary dump scenario

  On 12/10/2022 at 00:47, one_demon said:

Never heard of him

 

Strawbs was a bloody good ruck man.

Very underrated - perhaps because he looked a little ungainly.

But in many ways he was ahead of his time - like Maxy, very tall but super athletic.

And smart - he had the knack of all really good footballers - he got to the right spots 

Edited October 12, 20222 yr by binman

  On 12/10/2022 at 00:53, Wilson7 said:

 

A gun. won the B&F in 88 and got suspended in the prelim that year before we played ( if u could call it that) the hawks in the GF. Wouldn’t have prevented the utter mauling that day but his absence sure didn’t help.