Farewell Brodie Grundy

[Fritta and Turner 4,403]

Just now, Engorged Onion said:

Soooo.... are we there yet?

Obviously not.....or we are and have just gone around in a big circle

[Stiff Arm 4,419]

Just now, Jontee said:

If this turns out to be the Dees only big trade then I am going to do my nut and eat my hat.

Dont get those two mixed up, jontee

[Demonstone 22,486]

2 minutes ago, Jontee said:

I am going to do my nut and eat my hat.

Make sure you don't get the two mixed up.

edit:  Oh, snap!

Edited October 6, 2022 by Demonstone

[Dee Dee 1,108]

And here was I thinking the whole trade period was as exciting as watching a yacht race on a rainy day, but along come the last few pages of this thread to liven things up. Thank you all for a great laugh!

[Deemania since 56 6,634]

15 hours ago, A F said:

The best contested mark in the league as well.

The big advantage for Max, the Club, for Demon fans- and for the almost-blind umpires- is that Gawny will now have someone with whom to share the fists that arrive at the back of the head, neck and ribs; the kicks to the knees and the eye-gouging, amongst other unrequited fondness gestures. It is a case of sharing the load and if two Demon ruckmen leave the field battered without frees each game, then the AFL must look into its fairness regime and compromising complacency with such intentional attempts at sabotage. 

[layzie 33,793]

2 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The big advantage for Max, the Club, for Demon fans- and for the almost-blind umpires- is that Gawny will now have someone with whom to share the fists that arrive at the back of the head, neck and ribs; the kicks to the knees and the eye-gouging, amongst other unrequited fondness gestures. It is a case of sharing the load and if two Demon ruckmen leave the field battered without frees each game, then the AFL must look into its fairness regime and compromising complacency with such intentional attempts at sabotage. 

They can be like the Bash Brothers

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

9 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

The big advantage for Max, the Club, for Demon fans- and for the almost-blind umpires- is that Gawny will now have someone with whom to share the fists that arrive at the back of the head, neck and ribs; the kicks to the knees and the eye-gouging, amongst other unrequited fondness gestures. It is a case of sharing the load and if two Demon ruckmen leave the field battered without frees each game, then the AFL must look into its fairness regime and compromising complacency with such intentional attempts at sabotage. 

Won’t happen. We’ll simply be getting screwed over twice as many times.

[Demonland 72,155]

 

[Redleg 40,895]

6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

If the picks we swapped were worth pick 14, I wonder why we didn’t just give them to Pies to use in other deals.

[The_Wrecker_45 96]

Why does pick value keep coming into it, they don't need to points do they?

[layzie 33,793]

When it comes to swapping picks aren't the points just a guide? Pick 14 may have been the best we could get but that doesn't mean teams would accept the offer. It's not like going to the milk bar to buy a block of chocolate with 47 10c pieces.

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

21 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

I suggested a few days ago to give them pick #54 which we won't use, as a sweetener. 

But Coll are hanging out to see what we get for Bedford and Jackson then try and cash in on one of those.

[Demon3 2,541]

6 minutes ago, The_Wrecker_45 said:

Why does pick value keep coming into it, they don't need to points do they?

Exactley, no relevance in this at all. No one was swapping the picks for pick 14, we needed a pick in the mid 20s, and we were not using later picks. Journos are actually the worst. 

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

17 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If the picks we swapped were worth pick 14, I wonder why we didn’t just give them to Pies to use in other deals.

It beggars belief that these journalistic imbeciles like Ralph and Barrett still use the absolutely moronic points value system as gospel.  It is based on the NFL points system whose draft has over 250 picks and whose teams have effectively infinite list spots.  Pick 60 in the NFL is probably the equivalent of pick 20 in the AFL.   Most of the points allocations are hence completely skewed and clubs using the system (not including clubs mining picks for father son matching, a rort) would be hugely exploitable.   Pick 53 has an effective points value of nothing and pick 43 is only marginally more valuable.  No club in their right mind would give up pick 14 for picks 33, 43 and 53 (father son pick harvesting notwithstanding) when a free list spot automatically gets you pick 55.

Edited October 6, 2022 by IvanBartul13

[The_Wrecker_45 96]

2 minutes ago, Demon3 said:

Exactley, no relevance in this at all. No one was swapping the picks for pick 14, we needed a pick in the mid 20s, and we were not using later picks. Journos are actually the worst. 

Yep trade week gets worse by the year.

[rpfc 28,383]

The points are used to attach value for F/S and Academy players. It is used to liberally in trade deals; we have said we will only have two live selections and other clubs have intimated similar so those ‘points’ on later picks immediately lose all value to some clubs.

Oh and in no way do 3 picks from 30 onwards ‘equal’ a top 15 pick. So smack your face or hit your head with your keyboard if you have intimated that…

[Ted Lasso 19,507]

See the difference between us and Freo though, Collingwood wanted a top 25 pick, so we've made trades to improve our offer and we're proactively looking for a fair deal in line with their request 

[Redleg 40,895]

39 minutes ago, IvanBartul13 said:

It beggars belief that these journalistic imbeciles like Ralph and Barrett still use the absolutely moronic points value system as gospel.  It is based on the NFL points system whose draft has over 250 picks and whose teams have effectively infinite list spots.  Pick 60 in the NFL is probably the equivalent of pick 20 in the AFL.   Most of the points allocations are hence completely skewed and clubs using the system (not including clubs mining picks for father son matching, a rort) would be hugely exploitable.   Pick 53 has an effective points value of nothing and pick 43 is only marginally more valuable.  No club in their right mind would give up pick 14 for picks 33, 43 and 53 (father son pick harvesting notwithstanding) when a free list spot automatically gets you pick 55.

Thanks Ivan, I must say the points system  confuses me. 

[Demons11 7,007]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

I’ve hearing Pies are waiting for pick 13 to come in and are looking for us to give them that and give us 16 back 

[Redleg 40,895]

14 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I’ve hearing Pies are waiting for pick 13 to come in and are looking for us to give them that and give us 16 back 

We would do that wouldn’t we?  A 3 pick drop and we keep 27.

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

17 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

I’ve hearing Pies are waiting for pick 13 to come in and are looking for us to give them that and give us 16 back 

That isn't too good.

Forgetting the Ashcroft bid, other F/S Davey Jr and Fletcher may be bid on between 13 and 16 so then 16 becomes 18.  All the risk is with us for a potential 5 spot first round slide.

Everything about our draft history and Lamb's recent comments is we want to go up the order not down.

Edited October 6, 2022 by Lucifers Hero

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

We would do that wouldn’t we?  A 3 pick drop and we keep 27.

I think the suggestion is that we would give them 13 and 27 and get Grundy and 16 back.

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

Just now, IvanBartul13 said:

I think the suggestion is that we would give them 13 and 27 and get Grundy and 16 back.

Is this a serious suggestion or media hypothetical?

[ChaserJ 5,083]

If there’s nothing else of substance given up in that Grundy deal, 16, 27 is a better package for us to add in a bundle in a trade up the order than 13 by itself. 
 

If you’re not trading the picks and there’s a range of players that you like in that mid-teen range (Cadman alternatives like Keeler & Gruzewski are around the mark), then I can live with it. The talent drop off from 13-16 looks a lot lower than 7-8.

if they are getting 27 as well, then I’m not sure why we’d bother.

Edited October 6, 2022 by ChaserJ

[old55 23,546]

13 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

That isn't too good.

Forgetting the Ashcroft bid, other F/S Davey Jr and Fletcher may be bid on between 13 and 16 so then 16 becomes 18.  All the risk is with us for a potential 5 spot first round slide.

Everything about our draft history and Lamb's recent comments is we want to go up the order not down.

I don't think those bids really matter though Luci because we're not taking Fletcher or Davey anyway so our pick, player-wise, is effectively the same as traded, the F/Ss just slot in.