Just now, Jaded No More said:

Yes we are bringing him in to extent the career of the best ruckman in the league. 

The best contested mark in the league as well.

29 minutes ago, A F said:

The best contested mark in the league as well.

Not this year he wasn’t. Poor Max was so banged up from constantly getting hit (how many frees did he get again?), he could barely raise his arms above his shoulders without being in pain

21 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Not this year he wasn’t. Poor Max was so banged up from constantly getting hit (how many frees did he get again?), he could barely raise his arms above his shoulders without being in pain

Agreed. Hence the Grundy acquisition. 

6 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Not this year he wasn’t. Poor Max was so banged up from constantly getting hit (how many frees did he get again?), he could barely raise his arms above his shoulders without being in pain

And therein of course lies the bonus value of Grundy.

Gawn will be in contests, both marking and ruck, with fresher legs than he has had since he was delivering pizzas.

He might even play 100% game time while still being fresher, thanks to not having to run the extra fifty 50m surges every game with  Grundy able to cover a different portion of the ground.

 

I thought we were bringing Grundy in so we could finally beat Collingwood 

On 10/1/2022 at 12:48 PM, monoccular said:

So, DeeSpencer, I gather you aren't really likely to move to the City of Casey anytime soon.

Max seemed to still be doing the defensive 50 drop back up until QB when that mongrel  Cox 😎 repeatedly, and unpenalised, kneed him in the back, from which 

 

I don't think that Grundy wants to be there

9 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

Not this year he wasn’t. Poor Max was so banged up from constantly getting hit (how many frees did he get again?), he could barely raise his arms above his shoulders without being in pain

Gawn's contested marks this year were at a higher average per game than any other year in his career (2.5 - compared to next best 2.3 - which was last year).

I'd say he was about on par with 2021.

He was the second best contested mark in 2022 behind Tom Lynch, who was easily the best.

2 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Gawn's contested marks this year were at a higher average per game than any other year in his career (2.5 - compared to next best 2.3 - which was last year).

I'd say he was about on par with 2021.

He was the second best contested mark in 2022 behind Tom Lynch, who was easily the best.

That's interesting. Thanks. To my eye he was nowhere near as dominant t this year in the air than previous years.

My feeling is we actually manufactured far more opportunities for him to blow his 2021 averages out of the water in 2022, and due to the opposition scragging him and his own soreness, he seemed to drop a hell of a lot of marks he should have taken and was in a position to take this year.

I think it's likely with Grundy's inclusion, Max takes more like 5 a game. Be intriguing to see. 

12 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Quick query.  Bowes is a salary dump and cats get pick 7. So it’ll mean they get a player and a much lower draft pick. So why do the Pies think they hold the bargaining chips. 
 

Lamb should offer pick 27 and not blink. 
 

 I couldn't agree more we are holding it all.Use the opportunity to get him on the cheap

54 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Gawn's contested marks this year were at a higher average per game than any other year in his career (2.5 - compared to next best 2.3 - which was last year).

I'd say he was about on par with 2021.

He was the second best contested mark in 2022 behind Tom Lynch, who was easily the best.

I would say the difference though is he had more opportunity for contested marks this year given he spent far more time forward. Especially in the second half of the year, Jackson was often the primary ruck.

 

10 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I would say the difference though is he had more opportunity for contested marks this year given he spent far more time forward. Especially in the second half of the year, Jackson was often the primary ruck.

 

I'm not interested in your opinion.

8 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

I'm not interested in your opinion.

"I'm a free speech advocate, but it appears some of you only want to read opinions you like." - Hannibal Inc.

 

Edited October 5, 20222 yr by Lord Nev

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

"I'm a free speech advocate, but it appears some of you only want to read opinions you like." - Hannibal Inc.

 

You're a scr.ote.  I have no interest in conducting any type of conversation with you.  Ever.

Edited October 5, 20222 yr by Hannibal Inc.

We currently have 2 KPFs in BBB and T Mac, who are banged up, and would have us questioning their output going forward. Both are younger than Max. So why do people think that acquiring Grundy and giving Max more time up forward will extend his career?

 

3 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

You're a scr.ote.  I have no interest in conducting any type of conversation with you.  Ever.

You sure do love cancel culture for someone who bangs on about free speech and being open to different opinions.

Anyways, on the actual point - Gawn attended 258 less ruck contests this year than he did in 2021. His hitout stat was the lowest it's been since 2014 and his shots at goal was slightly up as was his marks inside 50.

Luke Jackson's ruck contest average went up by 6.4 per game. His shots at goal average came down slightly also as did his marks inside 50.

I would say that paints a pretty clear picture that Gawn played more forward this year than last which obviously gives him more opportunity for contested marks.

Lovely stuff once more in this thread. Good to see Lord got his OneNote out again to ‘copy/paste’…

What wonders must be in that One Note?

WYL’s would run the gamet - it would be quite the manifesto.

I thought they may have had a crack at Ollie Henry but alas no.

53 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

You're a scr.ote.  I have no interest in conducting any type of conversation with you.  Ever.

But you just did. 

2 hours ago, A F said:

That's interesting. Thanks. To my eye he was nowhere near as dominant t this year in the air than previous years.

My feeling is we actually manufactured far more opportunities for him to blow his 2021 averages out of the water in 2022, and due to the opposition scragging him and his own soreness, he seemed to drop a hell of a lot of marks he should have taken and was in a position to take this year.

I think it's likely with Grundy's inclusion, Max takes more like 5 a game. Be intriguing to see. 

Gawn is no where near as dominant contested marking as he was because players kick to him far too often especially in predictable set play scenarios. Opposition are aware and make sure there are at least two players around to make the spoil,  make him pay for it, create a stoppage or ready to pinch the crumbs  His numbers and averages are inflated because whilst still clunking them to keep up his average he drops a hell of a lot more or is effectively spoiled.  His percentage is very low. What was once his major weapon has been more or less neutralised.

Edited October 6, 20222 yr by John Crow Batty

14 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Gawn is no where near as dominant contested marking as he was because players kick to him far too often especially in predictable set play scenarios. Opposition are aware and make sure there are at least two players around to make the spoil,  make him pay for it, create a stoppage or ready to pinch the crumbs  His numbers and averages are inflated because whilst still clunking them to keep up his average he drops a hell of a lot more or is effectively spoiled.  His percentage is very low. What was once his major weapon has been more or less neutralised.

Nah, he was still predictably behind the ball last year and yet our pressure was up, so they'd kick it to him anyway.

One of my good mates' cousin is a Hawthorn backman. He said to his team mates, "at least I didn't kick it to Gawn like the rest of you!"

I'm still laughing at this page!

Soooo.... are we there yet?

If this turns out to be the Dees only big trade then I am going to do my nut and eat my hat.