Farewell Brodie Grundy

[BDA 23,048]

The contract is the issue. The price needs to be right for us (which is nowhere near $1m. What a ridiculous contract that is)

But why posters would be arguing against bringing a 2 time AA ruckman to the club based on his ability/style is beyond me. He can adapt and thrive with us I'm sure. And we fill the gap left by LJ departing while saving the picks we get for a crack at a KPF in a year or 2 (hopefully one of the King boys).

If the price is right this move makes plenty of sense I reckon

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

29 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Pies fans on SEN wanting a top 10 pick. Pfffft - it's a salary dump and will be a swap of later picks.

They are carrying on like a bunch of sooks. I hope it happens evermore now and that Brundy rediscovers his AA form. 

Top 10 pick though is a laugh. At best its our 2022 2nd rounder + 3rd.

[RedFox 536]

1 minute ago, BDA said:

The contract is the issue. The price needs to be right for us (which is nowhere near $1m. What a ridiculous contract that is)

But why posters would be arguing against bringing a 2 time AA ruckman to the club based on his ability/style is beyond me. He can adapt and thrive with us I'm sure. And we fill the gap left by LJ departing while saving the picks we get for a crack at a KPF in a year or 2 (hopefully one of the King boys).

If the price is right this move makes plenty of sense I reckon

If this Grundy trade were to happen we would most likely be asked to flip one of the Jackson 1st rounders to the pies.

[BDA 23,048]

3 minutes ago, RedFox said:

If this Grundy trade were to happen we would most likely be asked to flip one of the Jackson 1st rounders to the pies.

Well then no deal. This is a salary dump so the pies will have to take a second or third rounder. They have little leverage here. Take lower picks or eat his salary for the next 5 years

[Little Goffy 14,983]

Personally I think he's more good to us as a block on Collingwood's salary cap than as a ruckman on our own team.

Surely any tall player we look at right now has to be able to contribute up forward when not rucking, and provide a marking target around the ground as well. Grundy isn't a match for the needs and there are much, much cheaper and younger players who are.

 

[NeveroddoreveN 1,034]

If he is willing to take a dump in pay to around 750-800k i think he actually makes a lot of sense.

We were going to pay LJ upto 800k on potential.

Grundy is actually the better footballer in the ruck by a country mile.

If we want a tilt at repeated flags over next 2-5 years, Grundy would work.

Currently 3rd in line for ruck duties at Melbourne is Weid.....Max will need the help after LJ goes!

[Ethan Tremblay 31,396]

23 minutes ago, RedFox said:

I'm not sold on the Gawn forward move. Been torched by his accuracy on goal more than once. Sure he can clunk them but it will only exacerbate our inability to convert if we lean on that move even more heavily than we are now. Would much rather chase a KPF who can put them through the big sticks with high regularity.

I don’t disagree but a ready made KPF may not be available for years. I thought Gawn’s accuracy hasn’t been too bad this season (apart from last weeks game). 

[RedFox 536]

12 minutes ago, BDA said:

Well then no deal. This is a salary dump so the pies will have to take a second or third rounder. They have little leverage here. Take lower picks or eat his salary for the next 5 years

Don't think we have as much leverage as you think, if Jackson leaves that leaves us with one ruckman on be list. We're as desperate for Grundy as they are to shed some $

[old55 23,867]

11 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Personally I think he's more good to us as a block on Collingwood's salary cap than as a ruckman on our own team.

Surely any tall player we look at right now has to be able to contribute up forward when not rucking, and provide a marking target around the ground as well. Grundy isn't a match for the needs and there are much, much cheaper and younger players who are.

 

I'm keen to see your list of these players.

[Bates Mate 4,520]

Goodwin was asked about it in his press conference today and wouldn't deny or confirm meeting with Grundy which means he has. Also talked about the club needing to have contingency plans and that he is happy with the current 2 ruck set up. 

[Clintosaurus 7,955]

7 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

If he is willing to take a dump in pay to around 750-800k i think he actually makes a lot of sense.

His salary won't change though. Pies will be paying the difference.

[Bates Mate 4,520]

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I don’t disagree but a ready made KPF may not be available for years. I thought Gawn’s accuracy hasn’t been too bad this season (apart from last weeks game). 

Gawns accuracy has been woeful .

I really thought he was passed the missing from 20 m straight in front stage. He was  alot better last year. Particularly later in the year

[sue 9,281]

1 minute ago, Bates Mate said:

Gawns accuracy has been woeful .

I really thought he was passed the missing from 20 m straight in front stage. He was  alot better last year. Particularly later in the year

It's got to the point I'd rather him bring it to ground rather than mark it.  (I don't really mean that. Or do I?)

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

5 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Goodwin was asked about it in his press conference today and wouldn't deny or confirm meeting with Grundy which means he has. Also talked about the club needing to have contingency plans and that he is happy with the current 2 ruck set up. 

They sound very comfortable with Gawn down forward. He actually is a great contested mark, but his shot for goal is really unreliable - similar to Trac. You are just never comfortable with either of them ball-in-hand irrespective of how close they are to goal. If he was more accurate on Friday, we win that game. Need a speical project for these two players in the offseason, where they can really work on their technique and goal kicking accuracy. 

I think it also answers our questions re KPF plans - hence making Grundy quite an attractive choice in the absence of KPF on the market. My guess is Gawn will play upwards of 70% forward and provide relief in forward stoppages allowing Grundy to setup behind the ball. Whilst we have had LJ, i dont think we have been able to maximise this setup as LJ doesnt impact the contest sufficiently on the wing hence why Grundy IMO will be a huge upgrade here. 

The more i think about it, the more im liking this. Obviously contingent on the salary we pay for Grundy and the picks we have to handover for him. 

[Bates Mate 4,520]

6 minutes ago, sue said:

It's got to the point I'd rather him bring it to ground rather than mark it.  (I don't really mean that. Or do I?)

I'd be happy to see him try, snap or torp it. His drop punt technique when goal kicking is awful

Edited August 10, 2022 by Bates Mate

[old dee 24,093]

If he goes anywhere it will be to Geelong.

[Roger Mellie 4,205]

The Treloar deal might be a useful comparison for Grundy, however, I don't think they'll get as much for him as they did Treloar. Treloar was traded (dumped) in his prime, whereas Grundy is older, perhaps at or towards the end of his prime and might have injury issues.

Bulldogs gave pick 14 and received Treloar (with a $1.5m discount) picks 26, 33 and 42

I cant see Grundy getting more than a late 2nd or 3rd rounder (or some permutation)

[layzie 34,529]

3 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I see it more as him doing most of the ruck whilst Gawn spend more time forward

I don't love it but wouldn't be surprised if you were right.

[Demons1858 1,828]

Would McEvoy be an option? He announced his retirement and is now injury free and could be a back up ruck for when Max is injured and play potentially alot at VFL where he can provide leadership to other developing talls?

[The heart beats true 18,201]

It’s obvious that the meeting took place. I think what needs to be taken into consideration here is that Brodie has a very healthy long term contract - so why would he go to a meeting for a new job? This isn’t about a manager trying to increase his value. He’s clearly been told to look around by Collingwood so they can free up money.

I’d say it’s on. Brodie wouldn’t fit in at Geelong. He’s a city kid. I’ve seen him sitting at games with his top knot, round glasses and cardigan. All he needs is a cheeseboard.

[Bates Mate 4,520]

3 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Would McEvoy be an option? He announced his retirement and is now injury free and could be a back up ruck for when Max is injured and play potentially alot at VFL where he can provide leadership to other developing talls?

Don't quite understand the whole let's get a player who just announced his retirement thing. There where some calling for Kennedy yesterday. These guys are old with shot bodies and retiring for a reason

[Bates Mate 4,520]

4 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

It’s obvious that the meeting took place. I think what needs to be taken into consideration here is that Brodie has a very healthy long term contract - so why would he go to a meeting for a new job? This isn’t about a manager trying to increase his value. He’s clearly been told to look around by Collingwood so they can free up money.

I’d say it’s on. Brodie wouldn’t fit in at Geelong. He’s a city kid. I’ve seen him sitting at games with his top knot, round glasses and cardigan. All he needs is a cheeseboard.

I think him and Langdon would be besties

[Demons1858 1,828]

19 minutes ago, Bates Mate said:

Don't quite understand the whole let's get a player who just announced his retirement thing. There where some calling for Kennedy yesterday. These guys are old with shot bodies and retiring for a reason

Its not that hard to understand, they usually still have a year or two where if they accept a plan b type role and aren't the 1st ruck all the time then they can fill a role cheaply when there is little else on the market. Who do you have being 1st ruck next year when max gets injured that is uncontracted next year?

Edited August 10, 2022 by Demons1858

[BDA 23,048]

1 hour ago, RedFox said:

Don't think we have as much leverage as you think, if Jackson leaves that leaves us with one ruckman on be list. We're as desperate for Grundy as they are to shed some $

I don't know who else is available but I wouldn't want to spend a first round pick on a second ruckman

[Neil Crompton 5,865]

10 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

Its not that hard to understand, they usually still have a year or two where if they accept a plan b type role and aren't the 1st ruck all the time then they can fill a role cheaply when there is little else on the market. Who do you have being 1st ruck next year when max gets injured that is uncontracted next year?

Goldstein?