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2023 AFL National Draft prospects: The next batch

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1 hour ago, Sydney_Demon said:

I assume Gold Coast could try and take all 3 Northern Adademy players (Cal Thomey's Picks 2, 8 & 11) but can only match bids on the first 2 under the Northern Academy Draft Rules?

They'll try to trade out Pick 6 for points. At this stage could they trade say 6 & 44 for Melbourne's 18, 23 & 37 (assuming of course Melbourne are Premiers in 2023 😀)? If Melbourne had 4 & 6 and kept our 5th round pick for Kynan Brown Father/Son we'd be very well placed to either trade up or my preference take 2 players in the 1st Round.

I think this is very much the best deal going at the moment, which will be difficult for others to match unless they pay significantly overs. 

GWS is probably our closest rival to snare 6, but they are not giving up 8 & 10 unless they are going after a specific player

Curtin going to #4 is probably going to really test WC's resolve. They probably don't swap without having at least 2 top 10 picks and late 1st rounder / early 2nd rounder (current or next year). They will push hard for Sydney's Pick 5 for Barass so that they can secure both Reid and Curtain, but Sydney would be derelict in their duties to go for Barrass (who is 27-28) with Pick 5. I think they just Himmelberg as a FA an use Pick 5 to bring in some youth. 

I think we are right in the drivers seat this year and JT will need to make a decision around 4,6 for 1 (Reid) vs taking a Mckercher/Sanders, Duursma / Watson. 

I'll kick up a stink if Roos get some form of compensation this year as it will be the 2nd time in recent history where we have had a top 5 pick and lost out due to a priority pick. 

Nevertheless we will have 1 or 2 of Reid, Curtain, McKercher, Sanders, Duursma and/or Watson and that is exciting!

 

 

 

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    15 minutes ago, adonski said:

     

     

    We should be in the conversation but Roos and Hawks will no doubt make good offers as well.

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    56 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    I think this is very much the best deal going at the moment, which will be difficult for others to match unless they pay significantly overs. 

    GWS is probably our closest rival to snare 6, but they are not giving up 8 & 10 unless they are going after a specific player

    Curtin going to #4 is probably going to really test WC's resolve. They probably don't swap without having at least 2 top 10 picks and late 1st rounder / early 2nd rounder (current or next year). They will push hard for Sydney's Pick 5 for Barass so that they can secure both Reid and Curtain, but Sydney would be derelict in their duties to go for Barrass (who is 27-28) with Pick 5. I think they just Himmelberg as a FA an use Pick 5 to bring in some youth. 

    I think we are right in the drivers seat this year and JT will need to make a decision around 4,6 for 1 (Reid) vs taking a Mckercher/Sanders, Duursma / Watson. 

    I'll kick up a stink if Roos get some form of compensation this year as it will be the 2nd time in recent history where we have had a top 5 pick and lost out due to a priority pick. 

    Nevertheless we will have 1 or 2 of Reid, Curtain, McKercher, Sanders, Duursma and/or Watson and that is exciting!

    Looking through the current club draft picks, I think there are about 6 clubs really in that area where they can package picks up below 6 in exchange for 6: Adelaide, Essendon, GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda & Western Bulldogs. Add North Melbourne to that assuming they get late 1st round / early 2nd round free agent compensation for Ben Mackay. I reckon the Bulldogs are well-placed. They could do 12 & 16 (2,335 points) for 6 & 44 (2,113). Anyway, there's a lot of footy to be played which will affect ladder positions (and accordingly draft order).

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    3 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

    I assume Gold Coast could try and take all 3 Northern Adademy players (Cal Thomey's Picks 2, 8 & 11) but can only match bids on the first 2 under the Northern Academy Draft Rules?

    They'll try to trade out Pick 6 for points. At this stage could they trade say 6 & 44 for Melbourne's 18, 23 & 37 (assuming of course Melbourne are Premiers in 2023 😀)? If Melbourne had 4 & 6 and kept our 5th round pick for Kynan Brown Father/Son we'd be very well placed to either trade up or my preference take 2 players in the 1st Round.

    Were any of those academy players originally from our zone before the change by the AFL?

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    1 hour ago, adonski said:

     

     

    Really really grinds my gears posts like these from peanuts in the media.

    Knowing his family pretty well and playing a fair bit of footy with his old man, this just wouldn't be true.  They're a wonderful down to earth group who are just happy with Harley playing and enjoying himself.  

    What's worse is you're creating angst on a player and supporting group before a kid has even played a game.  

    There's every chance they (WC) downgrade picks to get more talent in anyways (priority in getting Curtain) - which makes total sense for them but nuffies will see it and think he's a mummy's boy who was too scared to cross the country.

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    54 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

    Looking through the current club draft picks, I think there are about 6 clubs really in that area where they can package picks up below 6 in exchange for 6: Adelaide, Essendon, GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda & Western Bulldogs. Add North Melbourne to that assuming they get late 1st round / early 2nd round free agent compensation for Ben Mackay. I reckon the Bulldogs are well-placed. They could do 12 & 16 (2,335 points) for 6 & 44 (2,113). Anyway, there's a lot of footy to be played which will affect ladder positions (and accordingly draft order).

    Agree - as much as I'd love to get the GC pick, surely other clubs will be better placed to offer them a deal.

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    2 hours ago, adonski said:

     

     

    I think going to WC would be great for Reid. They are a very strong club who won't be down for long. They drafted well last year and IMO have bottomed out.  The WA lifestyle would be great and he'd be the king of Perth - like Chris Judd.

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    1 hour ago, Sydney_Demon said:

    Looking through the current club draft picks, I think there are about 6 clubs really in that area where they can package picks up below 6 in exchange for 6: Adelaide, Essendon, GWS, Melbourne, St Kilda & Western Bulldogs. Add North Melbourne to that assuming they get late 1st round / early 2nd round free agent compensation for Ben Mackay. I reckon the Bulldogs are well-placed. They could do 12 & 16 (2,335 points) for 6 & 44 (2,113). Anyway, there's a lot of footy to be played which will affect ladder positions (and accordingly draft order).

    Yeah I tend to agree, although we are well placed in this draft there will probably be other clubs with more to offer for the Suns pick. That doesn’t mean we can’t get a slice of the pie though- we could still get involved. We could trade with GWS for pick 10 therefore improving their chances of getting a deal done with the Suns. Dogs pick 12 could also interest us. 
    Long way to go and ladder position will change before EOS. 

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    @Pennant St Dee, I asked you earlier in this thread mate, whether there's any chance Curtin could get through to our pick (say West Coast go with Reid) and if he did, would we take Curtin. What are your thoughts currently? Please and thank you. 🙏

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    4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

    I think this is very much the best deal going at the moment, which will be difficult for others to match unless they pay significantly overs. 

    GWS is probably our closest rival to snare 6, but they are not giving up 8 & 10 unless they are going after a specific player

    Curtin going to #4 is probably going to really test WC's resolve. They probably don't swap without having at least 2 top 10 picks and late 1st rounder / early 2nd rounder (current or next year). They will push hard for Sydney's Pick 5 for Barass so that they can secure both Reid and Curtain, but Sydney would be derelict in their duties to go for Barrass (who is 27-28) with Pick 5. I think they just Himmelberg as a FA an use Pick 5 to bring in some youth. 

    I think we are right in the drivers seat this year and JT will need to make a decision around 4,6 for 1 (Reid) vs taking a Mckercher/Sanders, Duursma / Watson. 

    I'll kick up a stink if Roos get some form of compensation this year as it will be the 2nd time in recent history where we have had a top 5 pick and lost out due to a priority pick. 

    Nevertheless we will have 1 or 2 of Reid, Curtain, McKercher, Sanders, Duursma and/or Watson and that is exciting!

     

     

     

    We can't really complain about priority picks can we?

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    3 hours ago, A F said:

    @Pennant St Dee, I asked you earlier in this thread mate, whether there's any chance Curtin could get through to our pick (say West Coast go with Reid) and if he did, would we take Curtin. What are your thoughts currently? Please and thank you. 🙏

    I would love to get him, he’s the best defender in the country, but is being played in other positions due to recruiters requests on seeing him utilised elsewhere. His size is a huge factor from midfield upside perspective and his reading of the ball in flight make him a potential midfield/forward match up nightmare moving forward.

    Hes a level headed kid, who has poise in traffic and is developing his contested game in the middle. Further to this he leaves no stone unturned in his preparation.

    Closest I can compare him to with his skill set, size and flexibility is Matthew Pavlich.

    West Coast are very keen on him though 

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    3 hours ago, Colm said:

    Yeah I tend to agree, although we are well placed in this draft there will probably be other clubs with more to offer for the Suns pick. That doesn’t mean we can’t get a slice of the pie though- we could still get involved. We could trade with GWS for pick 10 therefore improving their chances of getting a deal done with the Suns. Dogs pick 12 could also interest us. 
    Long way to go and ladder position will change before EOS. 

    Look, we're as well placed as any. I'd say Western Bulldogs, then us, GWS....    We actually currently have the 2nd most draft points of any club (4,503) behind only West Coast (5,304). But there's so many other factors like trading future picks which is not really in our favour as we're one of the top clubs. Having said that, GC don't need future picks, they need points this year (but other clubs could trade future picks for current picks and then on-trade to GC). Also the unknowns like compensation picks for free agency moves, possible North Melbourne special assistance (although hopefully that would impact the 2024 rather than 2023 draft), .... 

    Here's a fairly old Fox Sports article explaining how the AFL free agency compensation pick works although in practice the process is extremely opaque:

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-free-agency-compensation-formula-how-does-it-work-brad-crouch-adelaide-st-kilda-free-agents-details/news-story/538e998849aa96d921d7da512ff8793e

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    24 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    I would love to get him, he’s the best defender in the country, but is being played in other positions due to recruiters requests on seeing him utilised elsewhere. His size is a huge factor from midfield upside perspective and his reading of the ball in flight make him a potential midfield/forward match up nightmare moving forward.

    Hes a level headed kid, who has poise in traffic and is developing his contested game in the middle. Further to this he leaves no stone unturned in his preparation.

    Closest I can compare him to with his skill set, size and flexibility is Matthew Pavlich.

    West Coast are very keen on him though 

    Matthew Pavlich. Jeez? Let's get him, whatever it takes 😀

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    22 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

    Look, we're as well placed as any. I'd say Western Bulldogs, then us, GWS....    We actually currently have the 2nd most draft points of any club (4,503) behind only West Coast (5,304). But there's so many other factors like trading future picks which is not really in our favour as we're one of the top clubs. Having said that, GC don't need future picks, they need points this year (but other clubs could trade future picks for current picks and then on-trade to GC). Also the unknowns like compensation picks for free agency moves, possible North Melbourne special assistance (although hopefully that would impact the 2024 rather than 2023 draft), .... 

    Here's a fairly old Fox Sports article explaining how the AFL free agency compensation pick works although in practice the process is extremely opaque:

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-2020-free-agency-compensation-formula-how-does-it-work-brad-crouch-adelaide-st-kilda-free-agents-details/news-story/538e998849aa96d921d7da512ff8793e

    This is what brings so much uncertainty. With our current crop of good 2nd rounders, the points value is juicy. i reckon we have enough to get it done, but we cannot stop something silly like another club going in 1000 points over pick value just to get #6. 

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    1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    I would love to get him, he’s the best defender in the country, but is being played in other positions due to recruiters requests on seeing him utilised elsewhere. His size is a huge factor from midfield upside perspective and his reading of the ball in flight make him a potential midfield/forward match up nightmare moving forward.

    Hes a level headed kid, who has poise in traffic and is developing his contested game in the middle. Further to this he leaves no stone unturned in his preparation.

    Closest I can compare him to with his skill set, size and flexibility is Matthew Pavlich.

    West Coast are very keen on him though 

    Thanks mate. So your take on this stuff with Reid is West Coast posturing or are they targeting multiple top 10 picks?

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    37 minutes ago, A F said:

    Thanks mate. So your take on this stuff with Reid is West Coast posturing or are they targeting multiple top 10 picks?

    I wouldn’t think it’s West Coast as it finished the trade value for pick 1. 

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    9 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

    I assume Gold Coast could try and take all 3 Northern Adademy players (Cal Thomey's Picks 2, 8 & 11) but can only match bids on the first 2 under the Northern Academy Draft Rules?
     

    it's two if they make finals 3 if they miss 

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    4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Of course they will..

     

    And DB has absolutely no agenda here at all...

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    2 hours ago, A F said:

    Thanks mate. So your take on this stuff with Reid is West Coast posturing or are they targeting multiple top 10 picks?

    Yep, they want him, but also Reid, not sure how they can get both

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    No way Ben McKay is worth a first round draft pick (let alone pick 3). Frawley was a much better player than Ben could ever dream of being.

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    This is shaping up to be the most compromised draft since GC/GWS were brought into the competition.

    Its turning into a FARCE.

    If North get pick 3 compensation or assistance its around a possible 6 out of the top 20 either Nothern Academy, FS or Priority/compensation.

    There are some really good prospects in the top 10. We need to trade up for a second top to pick (likely GC's).

     

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