TEAMS: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

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56 minutes ago, Billy said:

Really 

He can’t even get near the contest, let alone mark it or bring it to ground & once the ball hits the ground

Would rather play a small forward line

 

Yes fine thought you were meaning someone to play key forward, could've suggested that in your original post if that's what you were getting at 

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

5 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

All 4 emergencies are named for Casey in today's game

How many will we hold over? Would've thought at least 2, for a Sub and an emergency, maybe another if anyone in doubt with niggles

Chandler highly likely to be Melbourne medisub with Baker the next choice I would have thought. Normally you wouldn't name a key position player as medisub but I suppose Tommo's a posibility if the thinking is Petty might not get through the whole game. With TMac unavailable to go back during the game it increases the possibility of this option being pursued. Regardless,  I think Tomlinson is  unlikely to play today and they could also hold Weidemsn over as back-up for either of the Browns. So maybe only 1 plays today (probably Baker).

[Demonstone 22,575]

14 minutes ago, Sydney_Demon said:

JVW had a quiet game last week

I won't stand for any cwiticism of Jacob van Wooyen.

Yours etc,

E. Fudd

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

23 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I won't stand for any cwiticism of Jacob van Wooyen.

Yours etc,

E. Fudd

My apologies. I don't know where I got JVW from 😄

[monoccular 17,432]

1 hour ago, Billy said:

Ben Brown 12 kicks & 1 goal in 4 games

Why is he still in the team, can anyone shed any light on this?

Billy - maybe the absence of any viable alternative?

Interesting te our forward line in general - there were some here, perhaps myself included, who thought BBB and or Frittata may have been Coleman prospects.  🙄

Edited June 12, 2022 by monoccular

[Bitter but optimistic 22,241]

21 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Billy - maybe the absence of any viable alternative?

Interesting te our forward line in general - there were some here, perhaps myself included, who thought BBB and or Frittata may have been Coleman prospects.  🙄

I put $20 on both Fritta and BBB preseason Mono!

Actually Fritta is going ok and averaging just under 2.5 per game ATM.

The problem is, he's not a key forward and, to enable his best, he needs BBB or Tmac or Weid or someone to be regularly threatening and draw the heat from him.

[Sydney_Demon 1,175]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Agree 100% Bbo. with no Daw today the Weed will probably play mostly in the ruck with probably suits his abilities.

Could everyone get off Weideman's back. I'm over these gratuitous insults of various players. Some people I assume are very happy that Melbourne have lost 2 games because it gives them more of an opportunity to whinge about their pet-hated players without getting negative feedback.

After tomorrow there are 9 rounds to go plus finals so plenty of time for the team & individual players to find some form. I agree Weideman's had multiple chances but we didn't get our best list together until Round 17 last year and didn't get on our winning run until Round 20. Weideman wasn't part of that but will highly likely get an opportunity with TMac's absence. I'm happy for any of Weidenam, vab Rooyen, Mitch or Ben Brown to be part of that side if their form & effort warrants it.

1 hour ago, Billy said:

I just don’t think we can give games to a player so out of form.

If Weidermans not the answer, surely  we have other options with Gawn or Jackson spending more time deep forward 

Moore & Howe will hardly man up on Brown & Brown & will have an absolute field day intercepting marks all game

Hope I’m wrong, but B Brown is so out of form it’s not funny 

 

There is a view that Gawn's presence last week caused issues for our forwards. Obviously his 3 goals were pretty important for us but personally I'd prefer to see him spending more time in defence where we clearly needed help last week, with the forwards kicking the goals. Whether the Browns are up to it remaims to be seen, but poor delivery & congestion didn't help. It wasn't just the talls. No-one seems to be arguing that the small forwards (who didn't hit the scoreboard either) should be dropped.

[dimmy 1,307]

Suddenly Tmac has become important.

For ages people on the forum's have criticised Tom for not getting enough kick,not puttingin, being a liability BUT suddenly when he is not their some are waking up to the fact he was an important cog in our Forward set. i.e 195cm, massive endurance, tean oriented and can kick goals when required .

We just did not know what we were missing out on !!!

[Billy 2,534]

If Max didn’t go forward and kick 3 goals we would’ve kicked 6 because the other key forwards weren’t getting near it.

You can’t keep saying we’ve got  no one else, we are after all a premiership list

May & Tmac are huge losses to our structure & Rivers is dropped that’s only 3 players out of our premiership side

We have enough depth to drop players who are way out of form

 

[titan_uranus 25,020]

1 minute ago, Billy said:

If Max didn’t go forward and kick 3 goals we would’ve kicked 6 because the other key forwards weren’t getting near it.

You can’t keep saying we’ve got  no one else, we are after all a premiership list

May & Tmac are huge losses to our structure & Rivers is dropped that’s only 3 players out of our premiership side

We have enough depth to drop players who are way out of form

 

This sentence makes no sense.

Winning a premiership doesn't all of a sudden turn Kade Chandler or Toby Bedford into tall marking forwards.

We all know where we stand with our tall forwards. B Brown and M Brown are playing but neither is in any sort of AFL-level form, TMac is injured, and Weideman is considered by the FD to be less deserving of a spot in the side than the Browns.

There's no one else. Daw's not a forward. Joel Smith is injured but even if he wasn't, he's a defender now. Tomlinson's a defender. 

Last week we lost in no small part because of Sydney's intercept marking. We can't afford to go in small and be repeatedly out-marked in our forward line because of the way we move the ball (i.e. we focus on repeat entires and time in forward half, so even if we don't mark it it has to come to ground and become a stoppage). At the moment the FD is playing the two it thinks are least out of form. We have to back them in to get it done at AFL level, because we can't afford to send them all to Casey at once.

[old dee 23,792]

22 minutes ago, dimmy said:

Suddenly Tmac has become important.

For ages people on the forum's have criticised Tom for not getting enough kick,not puttingin, being a liability BUT suddenly when he is not their some are waking up to the fact he was an important cog in our Forward set. i.e 195cm, massive endurance, tean oriented and can kick goals when required .

We just did not know what we were missing out on !!!

He was always important in my eyes.

[old dee 23,792]

11 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

This sentence makes no sense.

Winning a premiership doesn't all of a sudden turn Kade Chandler or Toby Bedford into tall marking forwards.

We all know where we stand with our tall forwards. B Brown and M Brown are playing but neither is in any sort of AFL-level form, TMac is injured, and Weideman is considered by the FD to be less deserving of a spot in the side than the Browns.

There's no one else. Daw's not a forward. Joel Smith is injured but even if he wasn't, he's a defender now. Tomlinson's a defender. 

Last week we lost in no small part because of Sydney's intercept marking. We can't afford to go in small and be repeatedly out-marked in our forward line because of the way we move the ball (i.e. we focus on repeat entires and time in forward half, so even if we don't mark it it has to come to ground and become a stoppage). At the moment the FD is playing the two it thinks are least out of form. We have to back them in to get it done at AFL level, because we can't afford to send them all to Casey at once.

Over a number of years we have seen that the Weid is not a good AFL level player. With Tmac out there are only two alternatives i.e. both browns as tall forwards, we have to keep playing them there are no alternatives. 

[IRW 1,387]

3 hours ago, Billy said:

Really 

He can’t even get near the contest, let alone mark it or bring it to ground & once the ball hits the ground

Would rather play a small forward line

 

Because" team think" means everyone has to run everywhere all the time.

BBB would be more likely to thrive if he wasn't expected   to show up in the back 50 so often.

Tweaking the forward line might be a plan instead of just shuffling the options in and out.

Oh and someone give Trac goal kicking lessons...he's no Chris Judd

[Demonland 72,219]

 

[Pates 9,660]

1 hour ago, IRW said:

Because" team think" means everyone has to run everywhere all the time.

BBB would be more likely to thrive if he wasn't expected   to show up in the back 50 so often.

Tweaking the forward line might be a plan instead of just shuffling the options in and out.

Oh and someone give Trac goal kicking lessons...he's no Chris Judd

There’s a few that need goal kicking practice, Nibbler’s kicking for goal has been shocking and only recently costly. 

I would be up for BBB being asked to play more of the TMac, up the ground role and give Fritta some time one out in the forward 50. M Brown just needs to provide a genuine second target, someone that the Pies have to be accountable for. 

[buck_nekkid 5,876]

What I would like to see in the forward 50:

Not everyone pushing up so high all of the time - leave at least one player in the zone to offer a target.

have four target zones - 20 out, 40 out (straight in front) and 30 out each side on a 45 degree angle.  Instead of bombing it to 4 v 4 10 m out, spread to pre-designed leading zones ands give the kicker target options.

Better pressure in our forward half - lock it in and win the territory battle

[Swooper1987 3,322]

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

You'd think Ruscoe would be the Mihocek replacement if he doesn't come up.

[old dee 23,792]

5 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

Could everyone get off Weideman's back. I'm over these gratuitous insults of various players. Some people I assume are very happy that Melbourne have lost 2 games because it gives them more of an opportunity to whinge about their pet-hated players without getting negative feedback.

After tomorrow there are 9 rounds to go plus finals so plenty of time for the team & individual players to find some form. I agree Weideman's had multiple chances but we didn't get our best list together until Round 17 last year and didn't get on our winning run until Round 20. Weideman wasn't part of that but will highly likely get an opportunity with TMac's absence. I'm happy for any of Weidenam, vab Rooyen, Mitch or Ben Brown to be part of that side if their form & effort warrants it.

There is a view that Gawn's presence last week caused issues for our forwards. Obviously his 3 goals were pretty important for us but personally I'd prefer to see him spending more time in defence where we clearly needed help last week, with the forwards kicking the goals. Whether the Browns are up to it remaims to be seen, but poor delivery & congestion didn't help. It wasn't just the talls. No-one seems to be arguing that the small forwards (who didn't hit the scoreboard either) should be dropped.

I am on his back because he ain’t an AFL standard KPF. Simple.

[Demonstone 22,575]

So you keep saying, old dee.  Ad nauseam.  We get it.  You don't rate Weideman.

[DeeZone 9,860]

And yet he looks a class above VFL.??

[DubDee 25,900]

6 hours ago, dimmy said:

Suddenly Tmac has become important.

For ages people on the forum's have criticised Tom for not getting enough kick,not puttingin, being a liability BUT suddenly when he is not their some are waking up to the fact he was an important cog in our Forward set. i.e 195cm, massive endurance, tean oriented and can kick goals when required .

We just did not know what we were missing out on !!!

People have short memories. 

T Mac was rightly dropped for his poor performances~ 6 weeks ago. His output has been average since midway through last year

He is a form player but has been in poor form for too long. Unfortunately we have no other decent option

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

Anyone know average age and experience between us and the Pies for tomorrow’s line-up? Pies often touted as a young list but pretty sure they’re quite the opposite.

[monoccular 17,432]

6 hours ago, dimmy said:

Suddenly Tmac has become important.

For ages people on the forum's have criticised Tom for not getting enough kick,not puttingin, being a liability BUT suddenly when he is not their some are waking up to the fact he was an important cog in our Forward set. i.e 195cm, massive endurance, tean oriented and can kick goals when required .

We just did not know what we were missing out on !!!

 

6 hours ago, old dee said:

He was always important in my eyes.

 

"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you got 'til it's gone
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot"

 

Edited June 12, 2022 by monoccular

[old dee 23,792]

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

So you keep saying, old dee.  Ad nauseam.  We get it.  You don't rate Weideman.

So do you rate him?

[Ben 222]

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Anyone know average age and experience between us and the Pies for tomorrow’s line-up? Pies often touted as a young list but pretty sure they’re quite the opposite.

Based on tomorrow's starting 22 -

Pies 26 years 101 days, 110 games

Dees 25 years 148 days, 98 games