CHANGES: Rd 13 vs Collingwood

[Smokey 4,389]

JVR in 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, Smokey said:

JVR in 

Good oil or gut feel?

[Smokey 4,389]

Just now, Lord Nev said:

Good oil or gut feel?

Just a gut feel. Not sure why. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, Pates said:

I was thinking the same thing, though I don’t know enough about Turner. Throwing a debutant into a Queens Birthday clash is fraught with danger, particularly given our history. 

Turner has white line fever.  He ain't no shrinking violet.  He'll be fine if picked. 

While he probably doesn't have the size yet to play big blocks of games at AFL level i reckon he will give a very good account of himself in short stints until he builds his frame & strength.  The bloke can play dw.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

3 minutes ago, Smokey said:

Just a gut feel. Not sure why. 

Could be because we have 1 key forward who hasn't scored for nearly a month, 1 who is currently on one leg, 1 who uses their seniors card for train tickets to get to the game, and 1 who the coach hates... Only logical ;)

[gs77 4,452]

1 minute ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Turner has white line fever.  He ain't no shrinking violet.  He'll be fine if picked. 

While he probably doesn't have the size yet to play big blocks of games at AFL level i reckon he will give a very good account of himself in short stints until he builds his frame & strength.  The bloke can play dw.

People need to bear in mind Turner is not a green 18yo, he's 20 - that's 2 important years of physical and mental development.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

7 minutes ago, Smokey said:

JVR in 

Great young fella with plenty of upside  but from what ive seen live that would be a bad move for him & the team right at this moment Smokey

However only my amature opp.  Who knows he might get picked and kick the winning goal!

[Willmoy1947 4,167]

2 hours ago, wheaters31 said:

I think the match committee should consider playing Mitch Brown as a KPD.

Was more than serviceable as a defender during his time at Essendon, in particular during the replacement player period.

If Petty doesn't get up, I'd be putting Mitch Brown as a KPD and Weideman to come in as 2nd KPF.

Turner isn't ready IMO.

...and I would consider giving a spot to Melksham and just tell him to kick a few goals and see what happens..

[monoccular 17,607]

2 hours ago, Pates said:

I was thinking the same thing, though I don’t know enough about Turner. Throwing a debutant into a Queens Birthday clash is fraught with danger, particularly given our history. 

 

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Jack Watts says HI😬

Cannot compare. JW was #1 draft, and had had only a handful of VFL games.  Turner is in his ?third year. 

[Deespicable 2,886]

The issue is finding players to cover the last line of defence for the one-on-one ply that comes in quick and with May out it was again a big problem.

Sadly Hunt blew his two key plays against Papley (2nd term) and Heeney (final term) and unfortunately that might spell the end for him at this level. Hibberd is the obvious inclusion for this role, especially as Rivers needs at least another week in the VFL developing in this area. I suspect Hibberd will get Ginnivan quite a bit.

Tomlinson also blew some key last line plays on Reid but with May out we don't have options. I don't imagine Petty will come up and if he doesn't then we'll need another tall to combat the Mihocek, Cox, Henry combo - I think McInnes will be out injured. I reckon it would be a big call to use Turner on Henry but it's definitely possible. The alternative is to send Mitch Brown or Reid back there and use Lever on Henry. 

The other decision is up forward and whether we want to keep going with our three talls plus Fritter structure, or whether Ben Brown's lack of impact will make us consider sending Trac down there for a bit and just going with two talls - Jackson and Weid or Jackson and Mitch Brown - whichever one isn't sent down back to cover for Petty and May's absence.

Ultimately I think our guys all sensed the urgency against the Swans and it just didn't quite come off with the Goulden free huge. But if we have fixed up our forward set up and Tomlinson adjusts better to the tempo, then it should be happy days on Monday.

[Sydee 4,550]

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

JVR in 

I think he has a future but no way he is ready for QB 

[John Demonic 5,870]

24 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I think he has a future but no way he is ready for QB 

The development of JVRs game in the seniors for a few weeks/months might outweigh the marginally better output we get by adding in players without a future. 

We can carry an underperforming Forward like Ben Brown because he has the highest ceiling, but there's no use carrying two. We may as well develop somebody  instead.

Edited June 8, 2022 by John Demonic

[Demon Jack 6,931]

3 hours ago, Smokey said:

JVR in 

Because the last time we debuted a key forward on Queen's Birthday worked out so well...

[monoccular 17,607]

1 hour ago, Demon Jack said:

Because the last time we debuted a key forward on Queen's Birthday worked out so well...

Which actually means absolutely nothing.  He has to debut sometime and he ain’t JW.  

[Longsufferingnomore 1,653]

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I'd like our midfield to stop wrestling with their opponents and focus on getting the pill

Did you watch No.8 on Clayton last week. Why are the umpires not watching what the opposition is doing to stop him contesting the ball. So I am not sure the wrestling is started by our midfield. 

[loges 6,767]

For all those who love to predict team changes I'll give you two specials. Tomlinson won't get dropped and Weid won't get selected.

[Sydee 4,550]

1 hour ago, loges said:

For all those who love to predict team changes I'll give you two specials. Tomlinson won't get dropped and Weid won't get selected.

I suspect you’re correct but Tomlinson is very lucky May and Smith aren’t available - if they were he’d be Casey bound based on last week’s performance 

[loges 6,767]

5 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I suspect you’re correct but Tomlinson is very lucky May and Smith aren’t available - if they were he’d be Casey bound based on last week’s performance 

He is lucky but lets be fair first game back in about 14 months. If he's poor again this week then out he goes.

[Sydee 4,550]

6 minutes ago, loges said:

He is lucky but lets be fair first game back in about 14 months. If he's poor again this week then out he goes.

Actually to be fair he played rounds 1 through 4 this season so it hasn’t been 14 months - he was really poor last week and is very lucky if he holds his spot 

[loges 6,767]

2 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Actually to be fair he played rounds 1 through 4 this season so it hasn’t been 14 months - he was really poor last week and is very lucky if he holds his spot 

Rounds 1 through 4 where ?

[loges 6,767]

11 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Actually to be fair he played rounds 1 through 4 this season so it hasn’t been 14 months - he was really poor last week and is very lucky if he holds his spot 

Well so he did my apologies, old age.

[old dee 23,916]

42 minutes ago, loges said:

Well so he did my apologies, old age.

I know the feeling loges! 

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,062]

2 hours ago, loges said:

He is lucky but lets be fair first game back in about 14 months. If he's poor again this week then out he goes.

I didn’t study Tomlinson’s game in depth last week but all of Sam Reid’s goals came in the first half, so he was able to do a reasonable job on him in the second half.

Or am I giving him too much credit?

Tomlinson played well in the early rounds of 2021 and 2022 as a key defender but May played in all those games.

[jnrmac 20,205]

10 hours ago, monoccular said:

Which actually means absolutely nothing.  He has to debut sometime and he ain’t JW.  

You are correct but surely the club would not do it. Why tempt fate with such an obvious comparison..

[MrFreeze 2,001]

13 hours ago, Deespicable said:

 

Sadly Hunt blew his two key plays against Papley (2nd term) and Heeney (final term) and unfortunately that might spell the end for him at this level. Hibberd is the obvious inclusion for this role, especially as Rivers needs at least another week in the VFL developing in this area. I suspect Hibberd will get Ginnivan quite a bit.

I wouldn't be surprised if Hunt was dropped but I don't think the blame rests entirely on him 

Without May in defence, we've been more disorganised. Tommo or Petty should've been there to drop off and support Hunt