The New TV and Media Broadcast Deal

[He de mon 927]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Any chance they can invest in some high frame rate HD cameras so we can get footy in 4k and have goal reviews where you can actually see frame by frame what is happening (like NFL reviews) and not just a blurry mish mash of pixels?

And several from different angles. They are just wasting our time otherwise.

[layzie 33,814]

And make 4K available everywhere

[Guest]

4 hours ago, rpfc said:

Kayo is decent but I can see it degrading and skipping and struggling and (as someone in IT) I wonder if they are actually working to improve the app or have moved to ‘break/fix’ mode because it’s ‘good enough’ for people to not complain too much.

Kayo is decent at the very best, and not often. I can’t believe how bad it is for what it costs. During shows it’s ok but during live action it’s substandard. Rn I’m watching an ODI (Aus vs. NZ), really good match but it’s almost unwatchable due to that thing where it stops then repeats the previous few seconds. It’s doing it at least once every 60 seconds. So annoying. 
Sorry, just needed to vent. I feel better now. I won’t have to throw the remote through the TV screen. 🤨

[He de mon 927]

16 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Kayo is decent at the very best, and not often. I can’t believe how bad it is for what it costs. During shows it’s ok but during live action it’s substandard. Rn I’m watching an ODI (Aus vs. NZ), really good match but it’s almost unwatchable due to that thing where it stops then repeats the previous few seconds. It’s doing it at least once every 60 seconds. So annoying. 
Sorry, just needed to vent. I feel better now. I won’t have to throw the remote through the TV screen. 🤨

I found that happens with Kayo if you watch the pregame show and then continue to the game. i simply go back and find the live stream and watch from there. It seems to fix the issue.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

25 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Kayo is decent at the very best, and not often. I can’t believe how bad it is for what it costs. During shows it’s ok but during live action it’s substandard. Rn I’m watching an ODI (Aus vs. NZ), really good match but it’s almost unwatchable due to that thing where it stops then repeats the previous few seconds. It’s doing it at least once every 60 seconds. So annoying. 
Sorry, just needed to vent. I feel better now. I won’t have to throw the remote through the TV screen. 🤨

 

6 minutes ago, He de mon said:

I found that happens with Kayo if you watch the pregame show and then continue to the game. i simply go back and find the live stream and watch from there. It seems to fix the issue.

Or watch the live channel instead of the event tile

[Little Goffy 14,568]

My gut reading of this deal is eerily simple;

AFL will charge the broadcasters more money but allow those broadcasters to pass those costs onto 'consumers'.

 

Is that reasonably accurate?

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, He de mon said:

I found that happens with Kayo if you watch the pregame show and then continue to the game. i simply go back and find the live stream and watch from there. It seems to fix the issue.

Sounds like good advice. 

I just stopped casting to the TV and instead I’m watching on my phone but it’s just as bad. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

Or watch the live channel instead of the event tile

Idk what this means, Dr G. I thought I was watching the live channel. 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

33 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Idk what this means, Dr G. I thought I was watching the live channel. 

When you first open kayo (after selecting your profile) go up and it should allow you to select any of the live Foxtel sports channels to stream (Fox Sports 1, 2, 3, Fox Footy, ESPN etc)

If you select this instead of the event you want to watch (eg Melbourne v Brisbane) it should help with any buffering etc issues.

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,850]

What a complete disaster for the sport.

[rpfc 28,441]

9 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

What a complete disaster for the sport.

I keep forgetting Queanbeyan is 20 years behind; wait until Hawthorn and Geelong win 7 flags in a 9 year span…

I still shudder at the thought of such evil.

[layzie 33,814]

Well if more streaming is the future then forget live games as we know it. Bring on the 30 second delays and if you have friends get rid of them because there will be a heap more notifications ruining everything before it happens in the stream.

[whatwhat say what 22,771]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Any chance they can invest in some high frame rate HD cameras so we can get footy in 4k and have goal reviews where you can actually see frame by frame what is happening (like NFL reviews) and not just a blurry mish mash of pixels?

no chance - that's a broadcast cost

you should be thankful you get more than 1 camera given the sheer cost to buy the rights...

[DutchDemons 1,430]

I live overseas so I’m pretty sure nothing changes for me assuming watchafl is still the same. The best thing will be that fox will have their own commentary teams for every game instead of the channel 7 bozos. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,786]

I suspect the big winner out of this is the Nine network. The 10/Paramount super-bid of $600M per annum has forced Seven to pay more (of course) but probably significantly more than it had intended. Nine was a bidder, too, but I seriously doubt Nine wanted to get the rights given they are locked in already to the NRL. All Nine would have wanted was for its commercial arch-enemy, Seven, to be forced to over-pay thereby restricting Seven's ability to bid strongly for other product, sporting or non-sporting. 

The downside for consumers is that by being forced to spend so much for the rights, Seven may choose to spend minimally on anything else, so there will continue to be little AFL programming other than the games themselves. So, not much in the way of analysis type programming and probably not much in production value-adding. I guess that's not much different to now.

 

[Fritta and Turner 4,421]

Any chance they will drop the cost of pies?

[layzie 33,814]

3 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I suspect the big winner out of this is the Nine network. The 10/Paramount super-bid of $600M per annum has forced Seven to pay more (of course) but probably significantly more than it had intended. Nine was a bidder, too, but I seriously doubt Nine wanted to get the rights given they are locked in already to the NRL. All Nine would have wanted was for its commercial arch-enemy, Seven, to be forced to over-pay thereby restricting Seven's ability to bid strongly for other product, sporting or non-sporting. 

The downside for consumers is that by being forced to spend so much for the rights, Seven may choose to spend minimally on anything else, so there will continue to be little AFL programming other than the games themselves. So, not much in the way of analysis type programming and probably not much in production value-adding. I guess that's not much different to now.

 

I wasn't paying attention on FC but I thought I heard Caro saying something about Nine losing the NRL streaming rights or being prepared to give them up in this bid? Someone else may know more. 

[Jaded No More 68,922]

So will they buy a new camera or two, or will I still be forced to pay $15 a month to watch everything freeze every 3 seconds on Kayo while some drunk is recording the game on his Nokia 3310? 

[sue 9,107]

Three matches broadcast in NSW/Canberra means only 1 match will be shown that doesn't involve Sydney or GWS. Arrrggghhh.

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

59 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

So will they buy a new camera or two, or will I still be forced to pay $15 a month to watch everything freeze every 3 seconds on Kayo while some drunk is recording the game on his Nokia 3310? 

The $15 kayo will be the first thing to go. It was a discount for old Telstra customers. Get ready for closer to $30

[Webber 10,468]

21 hours ago, bandicoot said:

America has 300m people and 32 nfl teams… that’s 1 team per 10m people. Australia has 1 team for every 1.5m… 

please tell me how 19 teams is sustainable? 

To be blunt, America’s sporting culture has nothing to do with ours, particularly considering both codes are solely nationalised. The AFL is a behemoth that has expanded the national game with more teams and continued to be the financial envy of all our other sporting codes. Things may change, and fixturing needs to sorted out, but there should and will be both a Tassie team and a NT team in the future.

Every team that’s been added since the VFL 12 has been met with the ‘too many teams’ cry, and each time it relies on the bizarre assumption that there must a ‘perfect’ number’ into perpetuity.  

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,842]

The great news story of the deal is that I'll never have to watch a channel 7 home and away game again from round 1 2025.

[layzie 33,814]

Would be nice to get some kind of Kayo club member discount. 

[Kent 2,910]

S is every game still on foxtel??Only some on FtA and only some on Kayo?

[old dee 23,792]

6 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I suspect the big winner out of this is the Nine network. The 10/Paramount super-bid of $600M per annum has forced Seven to pay more (of course) but probably significantly more than it had intended. Nine was a bidder, too, but I seriously doubt Nine wanted to get the rights given they are locked in already to the NRL. All Nine would have wanted was for its commercial arch-enemy, Seven, to be forced to over-pay thereby restricting Seven's ability to bid strongly for other product, sporting or non-sporting. 

The downside for consumers is that by being forced to spend so much for the rights, Seven may choose to spend minimally on anything else, so there will continue to be little AFL programming other than the games themselves. So, not much in the way of analysis type programming and probably not much in production value-adding. I guess that's not much different to now.

 

Nine lose part of their NRL rights in the same year ( 2025) LDC. They were keen to get AFL. The only sport they will have exclusively will now be Tennis. Of course 7 may get out of cricket or pay less as their dispute with the Cricket continues.

Edited September 7, 2022 by old dee