47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not to comment on his quality as a person but De Goey is comfortably a more talented player than Fritsch.

His best season at full forward is comparable to Fritsch’s and he can be a 28+ possession inside mid for half a season off little preseason. 

Fritsch is one of the hardest players in the comp to rank. Personally I’d go with a number of gun midfielders, talls, two way small forwards and elite defenders before I’d get to Fritter. Might find room for him in the 40’s but he needs a second elite season before I’d consider anything like top 40.

 But he's done his ratings based on the body of work from the past 12 - 18 months. Not who's the most talented in the AFL.

If he was going off talent alone then buddy Franklin would be sitting top 10 comfortably. 

Fritsch 2021 year alone year blows away DeGeoy's 2021 and 2020.

I think you're also underselling Fritsch. Anyone that kicks 6 goals in a grand final off the back of a 60 goal year performance is a top 20 player of thr competition in my eyes.

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 But he's done his ratings based on the body of work from the past 12 - 18 months. Not who's the most talented in the AFL.

If he was going off talent alone then buddy Franklin would be sitting top 10 comfortably. 

Fritsch 2021 year alone year blows away DeGeoy's 2021 and 2020.

I think you're also underselling Fritsch. Anyone that kicks 6 goals in a grand final off the back of a 60 goal year performance is a top 20 player of thr competition in my eyes.

...and to think of those on here who wanted to drop him during the season 'dazz'.

20 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 But he's done his ratings based on the body of work from the past 12 - 18 months. Not who's the most talented in the AFL.

If he was going off talent alone then buddy Franklin would be sitting top 10 comfortably. 

Fritsch 2021 year alone year blows away DeGeoy's 2021 and 2020.

I think you're also underselling Fritsch. Anyone that kicks 6 goals in a grand final off the back of a 60 goal year performance is a top 20 player of thr competition in my eyes.

Agreed. Fritsch has had an excellent output in both ‘20 and ‘21 he has done it quietly 

DeGoey is rated in this list because he plays the odd good quarter and plays for the Filth

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by Sir Why You Little

2 hours ago, BDA said:

Where's Bailey Fritsch

He was in Slobbo's top 20.

I get that Fritsch can go missing in games and that almost a quarter of his goals came in 2 games. However it's stiff to overlook a player that kicked the second most goals in the league last year and kicked an incredible 6 in the biggest game of the year.

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by Bring-Back-Powell

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 But he's done his ratings based on the body of work from the past 12 - 18 months. Not who's the most talented in the AFL.

If he was going off talent alone then buddy Franklin would be sitting top 10 comfortably. 

Fritsch 2021 year alone year blows away DeGeoy's 2021 and 2020.

I think you're also underselling Fritsch. Anyone that kicks 6 goals in a grand final off the back of a 60 goal year performance is a top 20 player of thr competition in my eyes.

The phrase he's used multiple times is 'most valuable players heading into season 2022'. He says he's assessed recent form but the decision making is based on who he thinks will be the best this year.

So if I was lining up all the players in the comp and picking them purely for this year I'd have the following forwards (excluding the flanker/midfielder types) ahead of Fritsch:

- Naughton, Greene, Hawkins, McKay, Charlie Cameron I'd say are 5 locks, any argument there?
- Then I'd add Max King, Papley, Daniher and Ben Brown as 4 more I'd go with for season 2022. Did they have better seasons than Fritsch last year - no, but overall I'd say they are just better and likely to do so this year. So Fritsch is down to 10th at best.
- Plus I'd certainly consider a number of others like Franklin, a healthy Jeremy Cameron, Breust and Kosi Pickett. 

Add in 10 defenders, 20 midfielders of various roles and a few rucks and suddenly that's 40 ahead of Fritsch.

Goal kicking big midfielders who can go forward are the most valuable players in the comp. We've seen that with Fyfe, Danger, Dusty, Bont, Petracca really having a stranglehold over the comps best player status for probably a decade now. I totally understand the argument that guys like Heeney and De Goey haven't paid their dues to be thought of in that company, but the same was true of Petracca prior to 2020. 'Kmart Dusty' might be a joke but if you are the budget version of the games most dominant player then you'll be in the top 50 and climbing. If he doesn't do it this year I'll give up on him. But out of contract, on his last chance at Coll, new coach and a commitment to play him on ball, if his body holds up I think he'll comfortably be top 50.

 

Who cares? It cups and games won that matter, not some arbitrary rankings?

We have 23 players who were the best of season 2021 and all are back for season 2022.

47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The phrase he's used multiple times is 'most valuable players heading into season 2022'. He says he's assessed recent form but the decision making is based on who he thinks will be the best this year.

So if I was lining up all the players in the comp and picking them purely for this year I'd have the following forwards (excluding the flanker/midfielder types) ahead of Fritsch:

- Naughton, Greene, Hawkins, McKay, Charlie Cameron I'd say are 5 locks, any argument there?
- Then I'd add Max King, Papley, Daniher and Ben Brown as 4 more I'd go with for season 2022. Did they have better seasons than Fritsch last year - no, but overall I'd say they are just better and likely to do so this year. So Fritsch is down to 10th at best.
- Plus I'd certainly consider a number of others like Franklin, a healthy Jeremy Cameron, Breust and Kosi Pickett. 

Add in 10 defenders, 20 midfielders of various roles and a few rucks and suddenly that's 40 ahead of Fritsch.

Goal kicking big midfielders who can go forward are the most valuable players in the comp. We've seen that with Fyfe, Danger, Dusty, Bont, Petracca really having a stranglehold over the comps best player status for probably a decade now. I totally understand the argument that guys like Heeney and De Goey haven't paid their dues to be thought of in that company, but the same was true of Petracca prior to 2020. 'Kmart Dusty' might be a joke but if you are the budget version of the games most dominant player then you'll be in the top 50 and climbing. If he doesn't do it this year I'll give up on him. But out of contract, on his last chance at Coll, new coach and a commitment to play him on ball, if his body holds up I think he'll comfortably be top 50.

 

So you are Cal Twomey…

he kicked 59 goals for the year

including 6.2 in the GF

That should get him into the top 50….

Melbourne being the Premiers skews the list a fair bit.

(Sorry, I just wanted to type ‘Melbourne being the Premiers’. 🥳)

26 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

So you are Cal Twomey…

he kicked 59 goals for the year

including 6.2 in the GF

That should get him into the top 50….

I'm also the Melbourne coaches who decided he was our 11th best player and behind 3 other forwards. 

He played an old school undersized full forward role and did it very well, and had a blinder in the grand final. But if I had to pick 3 Melbourne forwards for this year I'd go Brown, Pickett and then have a tough choice between ANB and Fritsch.

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Final Leaderboard – Top 20

670 – Clayton Oliver

644 – Christian Petracca

542 – Max Gawn

522 – Christian Salem

498 – Jake Lever

487 – Ed Langdon

431 – Steven May

421 – Alex Neal-Bullen

408 – Tom McDonald

408 – Kysaiah Pickett

397 – Bayley Fritsch

 

5 hours ago, Davos said:

I think most of these lists in the lead up to the season will have Petracca as #1, but I think if you polled Melbourne fans most would have Oliver as our best. 

 

Is his dominance somehow underappreciated amongst the football media? 

Isn't it refreshing that we have a midfielder rated as the best player in the league and he isn't even the best one at Melbourne.

 

I used to get annoyed by these lists. 

 

Now I couldn't care less.

 

We are the Premiers

 

Everyone else can eat our dust

18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I used to get annoyed by these lists. 

 

Now I couldn't care less.

 

We are the Premiers

 

Everyone else can eat our dust

Too true. It wasn't all that long ago we would be celebrating if Nathan Jones managed to sneak into a Mike Sheahan / Mark Robinson Top 50.

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by peasant

6 hours ago, Demonland said:

50. Brodie Grundy (Collingwood)

49. Bailey Dale (Western Bulldogs)

48. Bailey Smith (Western Bulldogs)

47. Touk Miller (Gold Coast)

46. Jordan De Goey (Collingwood)

45. Jordan Ridley (Essendon)

44. Aliir Aliir (Port Adelaide)

43. Christian Salem (Melbourne)

42. Rory Laird (Adelaide)

41. Caleb Daniel (Western Bulldogs)

40. Jacob Weitering (Carlton)

39. Travis Boak (Port Adelaide)

38. Luke Parker (Sydney)

37. Lachie Whitfield (Greater Western Sydney)

36. Charlie Cameron (Brisbane Lions )

35. Jeremy Cameron (Geelong)

34. Isaac Heeney (Sydney)

33. Josh Kelly (Greater Western Sydney)

32. Max King (St Kilda)

31. Tom Mitchell (Hawthorn)

30. Patrick Cripps (Carlton)

29. Aaron Naughton (Western Bulldogs)

28. Lance Franklin (Sydney)

27. Shai Bolton (Richmond)

26. Jake Stringer (Essendon)

25. Zak Butters (Port Adelaide)

24. Darcy Moore (Collingwood)

23. Tom Papley (Sydney)

22. Darcy Parish (Essendon)

21. Steven May (Melbourne)

20. Hugh McCluggage (Brisbane)

19. Nic Naitanui (West Coast)

18. Jack Steele (St Kilda)

17. Nat Fyfe (Fremantle)

16. Jake Lever (Melbourne)

15. Tom Stewart (Geelong)

14. Toby Greene (Greater Western Sydney)

13. Harry McKay (Carlton)

12. Zach Merrett (Essendon)

11. Tom Hawkins (Geelong)

10. Ollie Wines (Port Adelaide)

9. Lachie Neale (Brisbane)

8. Sam Walsh (Carlton)

7. Patrick Dangerfield (Geelong)

6. Jack Macrae (Western Bulldogs)

5. Max Gawn (Melbourne)

4. Clayton Oliver (Melbourne)

3. Dustin Martin (Richmond)

2. Marcus Bontempelli (Western Bulldogs)

1. Christian Petracca (Melbourne)

Who cares? These lists are a waste of time. Footy journos trying to earn their keep.

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm also the Melbourne coaches who decided he was our 11th best player and behind 3 other forwards. 

He played an old school undersized full forward role and did it very well, and had a blinder in the grand final. But if I had to pick 3 Melbourne forwards for this year I'd go Brown, Pickett and then have a tough choice between ANB and Fritsch.

 

You are telling me after the GF that Fritsch is not Top 50 in the game…?

ANB doesn’t play a key forward role, so not a comparison for me

A bit controversial but I would rate Clarrie number 1 - no disrespect to Trac intended.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You are telling me after the GF that Fritsch is not Top 50 in the game…?

ANB doesn’t play a key forward role, so not a comparison for me

The top 50 is not just limited to one role.

It was one game. Jayden Short was the runner up for the Norm in 2020, he didn’t become the games best back flanker.

A fully fit Ben Brown and Pickett with more consistency and hopefully kicking 40+ goals again are better footballers. 

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The top 50 is not just limited to one role.

It was one game. Jayden Short was the runner up for the Norm in 2020, he didn’t become the games best back flanker.

A fully fit Ben Brown and Pickett with more consistency and hopefully kicking 40+ goals again are better footballers. 

Who said the top 50 is limited to one Role?

No one has kicked 6 in a GF Since Jarman. 
Fritsch deserves some respect 

i have no interest in Jaydon Short…

7 hours ago, 4_Kent_Watts said:

So you just go for the personality then. 

Nah just footy output. He could look like Mark Jackson for all I care. 

10 hours ago, BDA said:

Where's Bailey Fritsch

Not as good as Max King apparently 😂

9 hours ago, Its Time for Back to Back said:

I'm a supporter. I don't love Oliver's face. 

Sacrilege! Look at this and tell me it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy in the nether regions 😂

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Not to comment on his quality as a person but De Goey is comfortably a more talented player than Fritsch.

His best season at full forward is comparable to Fritsch’s and he can be a 28+ possession inside mid for half a season off little preseason. 

Fritsch is one of the hardest players in the comp to rank. Personally I’d go with a number of gun midfielders, talls, two way small forwards and elite defenders before I’d get to Fritter. Might find room for him in the 40’s but he needs a second elite season before I’d consider anything like top 40.

De Goey had a great 2018 and hasn't done a lot since (kind of like the Pies)

4 hours ago, jnrmac said:

I used to get annoyed by these lists. 

 

Now I couldn't care less.

 

We are the Premiers

 

Everyone else can eat our dust

Good point Jnr yes they are small change that all add up to our excellence but the jewel in the Crown is that big beautiful Cup and always should be. 

9 hours ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

He is grossly underrating Bayley Fritsch. Robbo had him at 16 in his last list, which was perhaps a fraction high but still much closer to his true standing that not even in the Top 50. LOL!

On a wider lens, there is no way in hell seagulls like Merrett and McCrae (and even Walsh if I'm being harsh) are better than Tomahawk and Toby Greene. 

Walsh is going to be a star, will be on of the best mids in the comp in a couple of years if he doesn't get Carltoned (so good to write that about another side haha)

53 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Sacrilege! Look at this and tell me it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy in the nether regions 😂

And those nether regions go Bang, Bang Bang Bang 

🤣🤣🤣

12 hours ago, Flemo56 said:

it’s based in cal(I better Google him) 2me’s mind I reckon buck. We have a strong argument too have 22 PREMIERSHIP  players in any top fifty right now, we have no weaknesses on any line, with depth too back it up. Be humble Dee’s and give it too em all on the field of our dreams.

Let all these clowns continue to under-rate us. The only evaluation we should be interested in is the Grand Final, and at the moment no club has the side to challenge us. All the rest of the noise (including this) is irrelevant. In fact the more we can sneak under the radar the better. But this will be very hard once the season proper begins. 
 

all you can say is “we have started well….”