On 13/10/2021 at 23:42, Ash35 said:

I think our offer was fair (future 2nd), but with GWS seemingly just not interested in doing any type of deal, which is fine as he is contracted, the trade was never going to happen.

It's disappointing because it just wastes the time of clubs that could be doing other stuff at the end of the trade period. Hill seemed fine about it so all of the 'he won't go back to GWS' talk from Young just makes Young look like a liar in future negotiations. Imagine a situation where a player is genuinely disillusioned with a club and can't stand the idea of going back .... if it's a client of Young then a club is may well keep him anyway because they won't believe the player's issues are genuine.

I'd be very disappointed if I was a client of his right now. Especially the way it looked like Hill was used as a pawn for getting Lobb back to GWS.

  On 13/10/2021 at 08:55, Demonstone said:

He was never coming to Melbourne.

This is the Bobby Hill I think of any time I see the name in the media.

  On 13/10/2021 at 23:54, Axis of Bob said:

This is the Bobby Hill I think of any time I see the name in the media.

that's my purse; i don't know you!

Does anyone know if Young manages any of our guys?

  On 14/10/2021 at 10:02, A F said:

Does anyone know if Young manages any of our guys?

Don't think so.  He is WA based and so are most of his players, with quite a contingent from Freo so it is interesting that he called out Bell for breaking the 'cone of silence' re Lobb to GWS trade possibilities.  Bell thought his comments amusing.  Sounds like there may be history there.

 

Don't blame him wanting to leave they have very little, if any, "team" spirit

Never going to be any good whilst they still play for themselves and not as a collective

I watched the Geelong game and was shocked how poor they were - Taranto in particular had terrible body language and looked incredibly lazy and disinterested

  On 10/05/2022 at 22:39, Lord Nev said:

 

My first reaction was who will GWS get as a replacement. 

We have a number of small forwards waiting in the wings:  Bedford, Chandler, Laurie.  All three have been medisub or emergencies but still on the cusp as depth.   Will one be willing to go to GWS to get more games?  I can't see them waiting in the wings for years and I can't see us giving up Pickett or Spargo. 

Edited May 10, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 10/05/2022 at 22:50, Lucifers Hero said:

My first reaction who will GWS get as a replacement.

We have a number of small forwards waiting in the wings:  Bedford, Chandler, Laurie.  All three have been medisub or emergencies but on the cusp.   Will one of our small forwards be willing to go to GWS.  I can't see them waiting in the wings for years and I can't see us giving up Pickett or Spargo. 

Hard to know if they'd be more keen on picks, players, specific positions etc, as I don't think they even know for sure who'll be coaching them next year.

  On 10/05/2022 at 22:52, Lord Nev said:

Hard to know if they'd be more keen on picks, players, specific positions etc, as I don't think they even know for sure who'll be coaching them next year.

GWS don't have small forwards and when Hill wanted to move last year they scrambled to get a replacement and looked at Breust who wouldn't go.  They will be equally desperate to replace Hill this time round.  It is unlikely they will be able to swap a small fwd for a small fwd so are more likely to take a pick for Hill and trade one in from another club.

Just a thought as we have a few 'surplus' small forwards who are all showing some talent and have had very good development.

I haven't watched much of Bobby Hill to be totally honest, is he similar to Brad in terms of his endurance running?

 

  On 10/05/2022 at 22:56, Lucifers Hero said:

GWS don't have small forwards and when Hill wanted to move last year they scrambled to get a replacement and looked at Breust who wouldn't go.  They will be equally desperate to replace Hill this time round.  It is unlikely they will be able to swap a small fwd for a small fwd so are more likely to take a pick for Hill and trade one in from another club.

Just a thought as we have a few 'surplus' small forwards who are all showing some talent and have had very good development.

Makes sense mate. More just thinking out loud about how GWS will make decisions while they haven't even decided for sure who's gonna coach them. They're probably just lucky they're so irrelevant otherwise the noise would be huge IMO.

I don't think we have a huge chance of getting Hill, but definitely think he's 100% gone from GWS new coach or not, because gut feel is a new coach coming in would want to 'clear the decks' and build that culture properly from players who are committed and genuinely want to be there.

  On 10/05/2022 at 23:01, Lord Nev said:

Makes sense mate. More just thinking out loud about how GWS will make decisions while they haven't even decided for sure who's gonna coach them. They're probably just lucky they're so irrelevant otherwise the noise would be huge IMO.

I don't think we have a huge chance of getting Hill, but definitely think he's 100% gone from GWS new coach or not, because gut feel is a new coach coming in would want to 'clear the decks' and build that culture properly from players who are committed and genuinely want to be there.

Oh, I wasn't at all suggesting we go after him or doing a player swap.  On the contrary.

Whenever he goes I reckon trading him out and replacing him will be separate deals involving separate clubs.

Edited May 10, 20222 yr by Lucifers Hero

  On 09/10/2021 at 03:11, Fat Tony said:

Bobby Hill looks a player to me and fits our needs. I would be keen but he’s probably worth a late first round or second round pick.

needs? really?

 

He's also a sook that picks and chooses when to put in. If you won't run you won't get picked in a Goodwin team

  On 10/05/2022 at 23:00, Dwight Schrute said:

I haven't watched much of Bobby Hill to be totally honest, is he similar to Brad in terms of his endurance running?

 

No more of a willow the wisp type. But best is AFL standard no doubt. 

  On 09/10/2021 at 05:34, adonski said:

We have Spargo, Laurie, Chandler competing for one spot.

Hill has shown flashes of brilliance but another small probably not on our list of needs.

Laurie can play in other tiles I think on ball firward pocket and wing and may even do  a Bowser and end up a small back man to stop opposition smalls getting goals. 

  On 10/05/2022 at 23:48, 58er said:

No more of a willow the wisp type. But best is AFL standard no doubt. 

Okay, not a good fit for our game plan. good luck young man!

 

  On 10/05/2022 at 22:50, Sydee said:

Don't blame him wanting to leave they have very little, if any, "team" spirit

Never going to be any good whilst they still play for themselves and not as a collective

I watched the Geelong game and was shocked how poor they were - Taranto in particular had terrible body language and looked incredibly lazy and disinterested

".....Taranto in particular had terrible body language and looked incredibly lazy and disinterested"

Can't help myself.  He was there as an employee of GW$, so is therefore not disinterested even if uninterested.

i would definitely still take him wouldn't have to give up much and could definitely find a spot in our best 22

  On 11/05/2022 at 23:01, Turner said:

i would definitely still take him wouldn't have to give up much and could definitely find a spot in our best 22

Where? Who would you drop? We are having difficulty getting Salem back in.

Edited May 12, 20222 yr by djr

i'm not convinced he'd be top 22 at mfc

besides we've already got toby bedford

Maybe Hill will no longer want to leave GWS, with a new senior coach coming on board.

He's a talent and there's no reason we couldn't coach him up to play in our system, he does chase, he just doesn't do it consistently in a team oriented way.

But I just can't see us giving up picks and cash for a fringe talent who has a market.

In our circumstances we are short on picks and short on cash. So anyone coming in has to either be a combination of a clear need, a premium player or a bargain. It's unlikely Hill satisfies any of those criteria. 

Pointless.

Absolute gun. I’d give up a second rounder for him. Maybe even sweeten that somehow. Hill Is very good.