2 hours ago, adonski said:

Decent job by Lewis for the most part to try and drive up the trade value. 

Ship him off to Gold Coast for their second rounder. 

No one hands over a second rounder for Weideman; especially not someone at the bottom end of the ladder.  There’s potential there, but you don’t give a top 20-25 pick for a player stranded in the VFL.

As his trade value is as low as it’s ever been, I’d keep him.

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

No one hands over a second rounder for Weideman; especially not someone at the bottom end of the ladder.  There’s potential there, but you don’t give a top 20-25 pick for a player stranded in the VFL.

As his trade value is as low as it’s ever been, I’d keep him.

Goldcoast openly stated they would have handed over their first round pick last year (pick 5), for 28 year old, injury prone Adam Treloar last year, so I'm not convinced we couldn't get something half decent from them.

But your point is valid, about pick 30-35 odd is the best I'd expect from anywhere else. 

On 7/29/2021 at 3:24 PM, old dee said:

His name will come to me, he is not on the Deed list. A Casey list player. Now he is a good mark really clunks them. 

Corey Ellison.

We won't be sending Petty forward, so unless we can effectively replace Sam with another KPF under 25, it does potentially destabilise our long term list build. It also undercuts any forward depth we've had this year, which has been handy.

I think we hold onto him unless we can win the flag and attract a Ben King type.

Edited August 7, 20213 yr by A F

15 minutes ago, A F said:

We won't be sending Petty forward, so unless we can effectively replace Sam with another KPF under 25, it does potentially destabilise our long term list build. It also undercuts any forward depth we've had this year, which has been handy.

I think we hold onto him unless we can win the flag and attract a Ben King type.

I've always been a Weid fan, but at this stage would picking up a young speculative type have much worse output than Weid at AFL level if given the shot?

20 minutes ago, adonski said:

I've always been a Weid fan, but at this stage would picking up a young speculative type have much worse output than Weid at AFL level if given the shot?

I'd prefer Weideman than some speculative KPF, yes.

The basic trouble is that if we trade Weideman out, we'll be in serious need of new young key forwards in a few years as McDonald and Brown both get older.

On the other hand, will Weideman even fill that need? I like him, but I was up very close to him for a lot of the game against Collingwood up in Sydney and had an eye on him... and was very disappointed.

Interestingly, the tall prospects in this year's draft don't seem to appear until the late teens/early 20s. I feel like if we could get a package trade that saw us enter the draft with a pick around 15 we'd have our choice of the season's talls, if Taylor has a special in mind. Hell, we could even just take Mac Andrew.

 

 

You don't pay a back up forward $400-500k and that is what he will be shopped around at. 

If the club thinks TMac can go around for two more years then the younger forward is the way to go.

The big issue will be re-signing Luke Jackson for at least a further 2 if not 3 years

2 hours ago, adonski said:

I've always been a Weid fan, but at this stage would picking up a young speculative type have much worse output than Weid at AFL level if given the shot?

Probably not.

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

You don't pay a back up forward $400-500k and that is what he will be shopped around at. 

If the club thinks TMac can go around for two more years then the younger forward is the way to go.

The big issue will be re-signing Luke Jackson for at least a further 2 if not 3 years

I understood (thought I read it?) that he was after a reasonable sum, expecting he would have a bit of a break out year. I'm not sure he'd get the money anywhere else either though, so it comes down to where he thinks the opportunity is.

It is clear Melbourne thought he was ready to step up this year, looking to trade TMac out.

I can't believe they would have faith that TMac has 2 more years. They'll roll the dice, but they won't put all eggs in that basket after 2019 and 2020.

So they'll want to hang on to Weid unless they can get another ready made back up.

 

Also, I think he has been stiff in that I think he is competing with TMac and Jackson for a spot, not with Brown, who plays a different role.

Edited August 7, 20213 yr by deanox

We have about 2-3 years left with Brown and TMac at best. Sam is not part of the solution. Need to do what we can to recruit a ready made KPP. 
 

Dracting a KPP is equally risky as keeping Weid so I’d only have it as a backup. 

10 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Agree, two years might give him more confidence. We need three tall forwards on our list. Jackson aside.

Three tall forwards plus a developing forward.

7 hours ago, A F said:

I think we hold onto him unless we can win the flag and attract a Ben King type.

You mean a type of player who kicked 2 points against the Blues and can’t get a kick against us.

10 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

No one hands over a second rounder for Weideman; especially not someone at the bottom end of the ladder.  There’s potential there, but you don’t give a top 20-25 pick for a player stranded in the VFL.

As his trade value is as low as it’s ever been, I’d keep him.

There might be someone stupid enough to do so. But highly unlikely we could fetch a draft pick in that 20-25 range.

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

You mean a type of player who kicked 2 points against the Blues and can’t get a kick against us.

Reckon he'll be top 5 KPFs in the game in 3 years time. He's already close to that now. He needs to work harder and he'll be a star.

33 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

There might be someone stupid enough to do so. But highly unlikely we could fetch a draft pick in that 20-25 range.

I'm not so sure. I think he offers a fair bit to the right club and I value him as an under 30 pick. What did we get for Pruess? Weidemann at 24 has enough upside for a few clubs to want him. 

8 hours ago, A F said:

Reckon he'll be top 5 KPFs in the game in 3 years time. He's already close to that now. He needs to work harder and he'll be a star.

Only playing with you. Any club would grab him.

10 hours ago, deespicable me said:

I'm not so sure. I think he offers a fair bit to the right club and I value him as an under 30 pick. What did we get for Pruess? Weidemann at 24 has enough upside for a few clubs to want him. 

But does he want to go to a bottom club? I would have thought he has been there why return. Of course if the MFC say go look at offers that might change things. 

23 hours ago, A F said:

I'd prefer Weideman than some speculative KPF, yes.

AF, there is a point, however, where the club has to make a decision as to whether he's good enough. When he's on he's terrific but this is now few and far between. I'd argue that he is still speculative but barely. I'd love for him to come good but if I'm being pragmatic, it may be time for both club and player to move on. And maybe we try another speculative as we're not losing anything by trying.

Edited August 8, 20213 yr by Return to Glory

Weed will be ok, that’s all I’ve got to say on the matter.

2 minutes ago, bluey said:

Weed will be ok, that’s all I’ve got to say on the matter.

Happy to draft a key forward, but I would back Weid in. This is the same kid who was BOG in a final.

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Happy to draft a key forward, but I would back Weid in. This is the same kid who was BOG in a final.

So was Boyd...

In his 6th season.  Hasn't kicked more than 20 goals as a key forward....and people want to give him another 2 years!

1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

In his 6th season.  Hasn't kicked more than 20 goals as a key forward....and people want to give him another 2 years!

T-Mac was a key back in his 6th season. Time works wonders. Back Weid in.