15 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

He's spoken of struggling to deal with the pressure and social media commentary before, too: https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/238081/weideman-experiences-the-afls-dark-side

Oh wow, it's so easy!

Disconnect from the entire world, thereby isolating yourself further. 

FFS this is so incredibly out of touch.

The entire world? - hyperbole

11 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

The entire world? - hyperbole

The internet literally connects everyone in the world together. During COVID times, lockdowns prevent in person socializing a lot of the time. Social media is quite often the only way to stay in touch with friends and family. The statement is not hyperbole by any means.  

Do you honestly not understand any of that? 

15 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't have Instagram or Twitter, my Facebook is locked down to friends/family only. I do visit Demonland and bigfooty but then I'm a fan not a player. Taking these measures is hardly disconnecting from the world. 

Generations who grew up as kids with social media have a far heavier reliance on it than older folk who lived a lot of their lives without it. Same way a bloke born in 1840 wouldn't have understood why electricity was so important to have.

1 hour ago, binman said:

But stripping away the emotive stuff and the supposition (mine for example re his head space), whilst, yes, he had a pretty serious injury to overcome, by all accounts he is as fit and strong as he has ever been at the moment. 

I find that very hard to believe after missing several months with stress fractures in his femur.

1 hour ago, binman said:

And he was in our best 22 in 2018 and 2020 and has played nearly 50 games, so it's not as if he is on an upward curve.

In 2018 he played 10 games and that was only because Hogan got injured. He's not a high possession player, so the difference between his good and bad games is often just about a chance taken here or there as he gets a high proportion of his possessions from contested marks. Last year, for example, he had a decent year but only had more than 8 possessions in 3 games. 

In his career he has 13.6% of his possessions coming from contested marks, which is very high. This year it is 12.5% (close to average) and in 2020 it was 17.0%, so the difference between his good and bad games is just having those grabs stick or not .... and his low possession game makes that a low sample size. This year he has more contested possessions than uncontested, which implies that he's probably struggling more with running, which fits in with the stress fracture injury he had.

Players that are based around contested marking take longer as they compete against directly against bigger bodies in the most difficult circumstances. That's why you see the best of them peaking and excelling as they approach (and exceed) 30 years of age. Weideman has had some poor games, but he's not miles off being OK, it just seems like that because of the way that he plays. After all, he's marked the ball inside 50 as many times as TMac since he's come into the team.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

You mean like Hawkins, Cameron and Rohan/Rataugalea, Lynch, Reiwoldt and soon Callum-Jones, Kennedy, Darling and Allen, Buddy, Heeney and Reid, Hipwood, Daniher and McStay, Naughton, Bruce and Wallis/English, Mihocek, DeGoey and Cox, McKay, McGovern and Curnow etc etc.

not exactly T Mac, Wedemand and Ben Brown groupings

Most if not all of those groupings include a Fritsch like player who we also have.

 

2 hours ago, Smokey said:

The internet literally connects everyone in the world together. During COVID times, lockdowns prevent in person socializing a lot of the time. Social media is quite often the only way to stay in touch with friends and family. The statement is not hyperbole by any means.  

Do you honestly not understand any of that? 

It is entirely hyperbole - I will make it easier for you - in this context. Your contention is that is impossible to not have social media. That is obviously a falsehood as others here have made plain: there is SMS, Facetime, the phone and private messaging, for cases where face to face contact has been temporarily prevented, as has been the case during Covid lockdowns.

I don't use social media to stay in contact with friends and family - who all live interstate - there is SMS, Facetime, Phone calls, and private messaging.

If I were inclined to be affected by social media, I would avoid it, and/or, lock down those which can be (like Facebook) to avoid being exposed to that which I wished not to.

Do you honestly not understand that?

I'll leave this here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37830765-ten-arguments-for-deleting-your-social-media-accounts-right-now

And mosey on my way, ATB.

2 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

It is entirely hyperbole - I will make it easier for you - in this context. Your contention is that is impossible to not have social media. That is obviously a falsehood as others here have made plain: there is SMS, Facetime, the phone and private messaging, for cases where face to face contact has been temporarily prevented, as has been the case during Covid lockdowns.

I don't use social media to stay in contact with friends and family - who all live interstate - there is SMS, Facetime, Phone calls, and private messaging.

If I were inclined to be affected by social media, I would avoid it, and/or, lock down those which can be (like Facebook) to avoid being exposed to that which I wished not to.

Do you honestly not understand that?

I'll leave this here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37830765-ten-arguments-for-deleting-your-social-media-accounts-right-now

And mosey on my way, ATB.

I never said its impossible to live without it, I just said its often the primary means where younger generations communicate with each other. This entire response is based on a strawman argument.

And to answer your question (which appears to be: do you understand the way I don't use social media?) - I don't really care because we aren't here to talk about you. 

2 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

If I were inclined to be affected by social media, I would avoid it, and/or, lock down those which can be (like Facebook) to avoid being exposed to that which I wished not to.

Do you honestly not understand that?

Firstly, I might have missed it, but haven't seen anyone say "that is impossible to not have social media". Seems like you've moved the goal posts a fair bit there. From what I've seen; others have pointed out how, young people especially, use social media as their primary means of staying connected with one another.

Secondly, why should he have to avoid something that is such a big part of connecting people his age just because others choose to act like douches on it though?

That's great you use SMS, FaceTime etc, but not everyone wants to do that, and not everyone has relationships that operate in that way. Aside from that, there's how much social media is integrated with the career of a modern sportsperson. Business and social media are intertwined in an irreversible way, not having a social media presence can have a big affect on a sportsperson's career and earning potential. 

Long story short, what you're saying is 'Sorry Sam, I know you use social media to stay in touch with the lives of your friends and families, keep up to date with world news and that of your industry, make potential business connections and help build your career, personal brand and earning potential, but if you could just not do all that because we want to let trolls run free that would be great....'

Actually I expect no one here knows if Sam uses social media or not.(?)    Since clubs probably advise players to avoid or restrict it to preserve their sanity, I wouldn't be surprised that as a group of youngish people, many may not use it compared to their non-AFL playing cohort.

 

5 minutes ago, sue said:

Since clubs probably advise players to avoid or restrict it to preserve their sanity, I wouldn't be surprised that as a group of youngish people, many may not use it compared to their non-AFL playing cohort.

Reckon you might find that's not the case.

There's a lot of education around the use of social media, but it's integral to their earning potential now. A quick look at a few of our own players and their brand ambassador roles will tell you that.

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

It is entirely hyperbole - I will make it easier for you - in this context. Your contention is that is impossible to not have social media. That is obviously a falsehood as others here have made plain: there is SMS, Facetime, the phone and private messaging, for cases where face to face contact has been temporarily prevented, as has been the case during Covid lockdowns.

I don't use social media to stay in contact with friends and family - who all live interstate - there is SMS, Facetime, Phone calls, and private messaging.

If I were inclined to be affected by social media, I would avoid it, and/or, lock down those which can be (like Facebook) to avoid being exposed to that which I wished not to.

Do you honestly not understand that?

I'll leave this here: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37830765-ten-arguments-for-deleting-your-social-media-accounts-right-now

And mosey on my way, ATB.

As I said earlier, there is no one size fits all approach.

Just because you find it capable of living without social media doesn't mean everyone can live without it.

And that's more so for those who already have it and for whom it already forms a substantial part of their life and their connection to their friends, family, news and the world in general.

4 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

In his career he has 13.6% of his possessions coming from contested marks, which is very high. This year it is 12.5% (close to average) and in 2020 it was 17.0%, so the difference between his good and bad games is just having those grabs stick or not .... and his low possession game makes that a low sample size.

Out of interest, where do you get this stat from?

3 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Firstly, I might have missed it, but haven't seen anyone say "that is impossible to not have social media". Seems like you've moved the goal posts a fair bit there. From what I've seen; others have pointed out how, young people especially, use social media as their primary means of staying connected with 

Sigh

its pretty much exactly what someone said

agree on other points - not victim blaming

had enough , tapping out

cheers

 

So far Sam is on track with Tom Hawkins who was dropped and on the block at age 23. It's the next 11 seasons that count.

Given his current limited trade value, and his known ability, I'd say keep him and work on his self-belief.

8 minutes ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

So far Sam is on track with Tom Hawkins who was dropped and on the block at age 23. It's the next 11 seasons that count.

Given his current limited trade value, and his known ability, I'd say keep him and work on his self-belief.

Depending on the asking price. Currency can be a fickle thing.

16 minutes ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

So far Sam is on track with Tom Hawkins who was dropped and on the block at age 23. It's the next 11 seasons that count.

Given his current limited trade value, and his known ability, I'd say keep him and work on his self-belief.

Known ability is currently worthless

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Out of interest, where do you get this stat from?

I just calculated this from his total possession and contested mark stats. This year he has 40 possessions and 5 contested marks = 12.5%. Last year he had 7.7 possessions a game (ironically fewer than he has this year), for a total of 100 possessions and took 17 contested marks (17%).

He's actually winning more contests this year (4.6 contested ppg vs 3.6 last year), he just isn't kicking the same number of goals. 

Tom Morris doing his utmost to drive up Weid's value...

In an article about GC offering their 1st pick for established players

Melbourne has the highest rated out of contract key position player on its books in Sam Weideman, while other lesser valued forwards such as Taylor Walker and Mason Cox are also without deals for 2022.

Pick 3 would be too heftier price for the latter two, but the Demons rate Weideman supremely and would surely not lose him for any less.

13 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Tom Morris doing his utmost to drive up Weid's value...

In an article about GC offering their 1st pick for established players

Melbourne has the highest rated out of contract key position player on its books in Sam Weideman, while other lesser valued forwards such as Taylor Walker and Mason Cox are also without deals for 2022.

Pick 3 would be too heftier price for the latter two, but the Demons rate Weideman supremely and would surely not lose him for any less.

Hey if it worked with Saad it could work with Weid? Given some of Goldcoast's recent list decisions such as trading pick 10 for a second rounder to land Jeremy Sharp, and giving a 4 year deal to a delisted free agent Rory Atkins, who knows with that mob.

GCS mightn't be the worst place for him, out of the spotlight.

I applaud Tommy for dishing out pro-Melbourne propaganda. Perception is everything with trade value I reckon...pick 3 however I thought not. 

Edited June 23, 20213 yr by adonski

56 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Pick 3 would be too heftier price for the latter two, but the Demons rate Weideman supremely and would surely not lose him for any less.

If Gold Coast offered pick 3 for the Weid i would snap their hand off

13 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

That's good for you.

But if you do already have them and they form part of your life, the answer isn't "just turn them off".

There is no one size fits all answer.

So you have two options if it is impacting your mental health to such a negative degree;

- switch it off, or

- hope the entire world stops using social media to spout negative and/or narcissistic bile

On 6/21/2021 at 7:18 PM, Bitter but optimistic said:

Nev, could you list a few of the things that need to be unpacked re The Weid ?

Nev, I'm still waiting for your response. Really interested ?

1 hour ago, adonski said:

Hey if it worked with Saad it could work with Weid? Given some of Goldcoast's recent list decisions such as trading pick 10 for a second rounder to land Jeremy Sharp, and giving a 4 year deal to a delisted free agent Rory Atkins, who knows with that mob.

GCS mightn't be the worst place for him, out of the spotlight.

I applaud Tommy for dishing out pro-Melbourne propaganda. Perception is everything with trade value I reckon...pick 3 however I thought not. 

Not to mention them giving up pick 2 for Lachie Weller and 41. Surely they have smarter trade operators now though.

8 hours ago, Smokey said:

Generations who grew up as kids with social media have a far heavier reliance on it than older folk who lived a lot of their lives without it. Same way a bloke born in 1840 wouldn't have understood why electricity was so important to have.

How old do you think I am? ?

I guess at 39 I am now well and truly in the old fogey category (especially when I start lamenting the state of modern music) but I wasn't that old when social media was introduced. Thankfully though I can remember a time before, I feel sorry for my kids though who will never have that luxury.

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Reckon you might find that's not the case.

There's a lot of education around the use of social media, but it's integral to their earning potential now. A quick look at a few of our own players and their brand ambassador roles will tell you that.

Nev, I'd love you to share your knowledge about what "our own players" earn ( an approximation will be fine) through " the use of social media" .

Edited June 23, 20213 yr by Bitter but optimistic
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