Toby Greene umpire contact

[Undeeterred 3,124]

Remember the day Brayshaw gave Razor a high five against the Dogs? That’s how you should touch an umpire 

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,799]

24 minutes ago, old dee said:

I think TG is gone to be honest which is a shame because I want GWS to end  Geelong.

We need him out for 2 weeks. They'll kill Geelong.

I'd rather face an in-form GWS without TG.

[Demon17 5,188]

16 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

Remember the day Brayshaw gave Razor a high five against the Dogs? That’s how you should touch an umpire 

And Razor put his hand out low and Gus responded from memory.

Ray 'gets ' the game. 

[Cassiew 1,903]

I’m all for this, but why am I seeing this in Melbourne Demons?

[leave it to deever 17,511]

I loved it when they asked him about it in his interview. He seemed lost. 

That was a deliberate assault on an umpire even if no hands were raised.

At first I thought a fine but the Afl must suspend him. 

As much as I want him to be in the team to beat Geelong, that type of behaviour just needs to be punished and done in a strong manner. Kids look up to these blokes and its a poor example to try and push an umpire.

 

[Macca 16,997]

If that happened at local or country football level it's at least a year.  Perhaps even 5 years or longer.  It's just not on at any level

Deliberate aggressive intent to a point where the umpire had to get out of the way to avoid greater contact

They'll either come down on him like a ton of bricks or he'll get around 6 weeks

And it were Oliver, I'd be equally as damning

Edited August 29, 2021 by Macca

[DubDee 25,915]

Assault?  5 years?

this is hilarious! 

hopefully the ump Gets out of hospital soon and makes a full recovery 😂

[Macca 16,997]

41 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Assault?  5 years?

this is hilarious! 

hopefully the ump Gets out of hospital soon and makes a full recovery 😂

At local & country level that sort of behavior is not tolerated.  Players get sent off for umpire abuse and then have to front a tribunal later on

John Bourke got 10 years for pushing & tripping an umpire in a reserves game at VFL level

Deisel Williams got 9 weeks for a slight shove

Make no mistake, if they can prove intent in a deliberate way, he'll cop a lengthy sentence

It's related to the 10 week ban for the Collingwood player for having a $10 bet.  Zero tolerance for good reasoning

Edited August 29, 2021 by Macca

[old55 23,624]

I see Kane Cornes is saying "ask Matt Stevic what he thought because Stevic is a 400 game, 8 GF umpire".  That's exactly why this should not be a factor - a 15 year old rising umpire is not Matt Stevic and players need to understand that respect must be shown.

Greene cannot under any circumstances play again this year, it will be a total joke if he does, three weeks minimum penalty.

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31 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

I see Kane Cornes is saying "ask Matt Stevic what he thought because Stevic is a 400 game, 8 GF umpire".  That's exactly why this should not be a factor - a 15 year old rising umpire is not Matt Stevic and players need to understand that respect must be shown.

Greene cannot under any circumstances play again this year, it will be a total joke if he does, three weeks minimum penalty.

Absolutely, and if Stevic is in any way going to be the reason why he gets weeks or gets off then suddenly it's about this person and not about what Greene did, what it looked like as a part of the product of AFL footy, and what example it gives to kids and suburban footy full of nuffies that think you should (not can) treat umpires poorly.

[DubDee 25,915]

40 minutes ago, Macca said:

At local & country level that sort of behavior is not tolerated.  Players get sent off for umpire abuse and then have to front a tribunal later on

John Bourke got 10 years for pushing & tripping an umpire in a reserves game at VFL level

Deisel Williams got 9 weeks for a slight shove

Make no mistake, if they can prove intent in a deliberate way, he'll cop a lengthy sentence

It's related to the 10 week ban for the Collingwood player for having a $10 bet.  Zero tolerance for good reasoning

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

I believe mutual respect would be gained if the umps treated the players with more respect. Players would return this respect and fans alike. Punishing incidents like this don’t build respect imo

anyway I’m sure I’m on my own here so I’ll leave it at that

[Half forward flank 1,022]

4 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

The Boys Club working hard to get him off.

Old world boys club anti umpire brigade. None of us much liked umpires in the good old days when it was also ok to hit an opponent with your elbow,  but this is about lessons for kids coming through the system to respect umpires and encourage young kids to be umpires.

[old55 23,624]

4 minutes ago, DubDee said:

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

I believe mutual respect would be gained if the umps treated the players with more respect. Players would return this respect and fans alike. Punishing incidents like this don’t build respect imo

anyway I’m sure I’m on my own here so I’ll leave it at that

If Green pushed Stevic over or hit him he'd be looking at YEARS not weeks.  Get some perspective.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

6 minutes ago, DubDee said:

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

I believe mutual respect would be gained if the umps treated the players with more respect. Players would return this respect and fans alike. Punishing incidents like this don’t build respect imo

anyway I’m sure I’m on my own here so I’ll leave it at that

Way way off track. Nothing to do with respect. We had an AFL umpire doing his job, umpiring, subjected to an unprovoked deliberate bump by a powerful built professional footballer. It was bullying more than anything. Toby Greene the more powerful in a physical sense demonstrating his power. I have more times than I wish to recall seen the same behaviour in bars and clubs. 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Half forward flank

[Cheesy D. Pun 1,765]

For some strange reason, I've grown to like Toby Greene but outside of clear accidents e.g umpire backs into player or vice versa, we can't be having to judge the sentiment of the player.

This was easily avoidable and he walked straight through him.

This shouldn't be decided based on anything Matt Stevic says. It was avoidable and there was contact, so there should be a sanction.

Add in Greene's previous umpire contact and it should come back as at least a week.

Edited August 29, 2021 by Cheesy D. Pun

[Axis of Bob 11,836]

10 minutes ago, DubDee said:

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

Talking back to a rugby union referee will get you marched straight down the ground. That's one of the most contentious sports to referee and they get treated with respect. Baseball too, where arguing balls and strikes (ie, disrespecting or 'showing up' the umpire) will get you ejected from the game. The AFL is getting better with its umpire culture, and abuse now results in a pretty automatic 50m penalty (which nobody complains about anymore). 

I was a junior footballer when Williams got 9 weeks. We got the message: Do not touch the umpire!

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Keywords are aggression and disrespect.

[deanox 9,940]

Just now, GM11 said:

Keywords are aggression and disrespect.

I think "intimidation" is relevant too.

It was a power move, designed to force Stevic to cower and back down.

[layzie 33,862]

4 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Talking back to a rugby union referee will get you marched straight down the ground. That's one of the most contentious sports to referee and they get treated with respect. Baseball too, where arguing balls and strikes (ie, disrespecting or 'showing up' the umpire) will get you ejected from the game. The AFL is getting better with its umpire culture, and abuse now results in a pretty automatic 50m penalty (which nobody complains about anymore). 

I was a junior footballer when Williams got 9 weeks. We got the message: Do not touch the umpire!

Playing Rugby Union in my school days, not addressing the ref as 'Sir' could even get you in a bit of strife! 

[george_on_the_outer 7,611]

There is no room for this kind of action and the AFL rules means Greene is off to the Tribunal, no MRO needed:

From this article in the Age:

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/there-is-no-defence-for-it-grand-final-umpire-calls-for-greene-suspension-20210829-p58mua.html

"The AFL tribunal guidelines state that “contact with an umpire that is aggressive, forceful, demonstrative or disrespectful” will be classified as intentional, and therefore the player will be directly referred to the tribunal".

The AFL knows they have to come down hard on Toby, because they won't have any umpires showing up at all manner of competitions next year. 

 

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

30 minutes ago, DubDee said:

My point is that respect for umps is worse in the AFL than in most other sports. The umps treat the players like school kids, barking orders at them instead of officiating the game.  And players can’t touch the umps coz you’d be a naughty boy. Look at other sports where the ref/ump gets respect. Punishing Minimal incidents like this don’t build respect. 
obviously if he pushed him over or hit the ump that is different 

I believe mutual respect would be gained if the umps treated the players with more respect. Players would return this respect and fans alike. Punishing incidents like this don’t build respect imo

anyway I’m sure I’m on my own here so I’ll leave it at that

Is it really "respect" for the umpires, or is it appropriate boundaries between the players and the people refereeing them? I don't think rugby players "respect" the umpires so much as they know that where the boundary is, and what will happen quick bloody smart if they go over it.

I don't think the umpires should be talking to the players, calling them by their first names, "coaching" them not to infringe in certain instances ... the players should know the rules of the game they've spent their lives playing. It should be whistles and "play on" only. Like in soccer, where as a true world game there are language issues. Imagine a Danish referee trying to tell a Japanese player "foot on the line ... foot on the line ..."

I also think if the players want to be treated as adults, they should not behave like petulant teenagers, moaning and sooking to the umps (Selwood and Riewoldt spring immediately to mind, they are far from being the only ones).

The AFL have been negligent in the officiating in many areas and they have allowed this to evolve. If they don't clamp down hard on Greene they can look forward to more of the same.

[Demon Jack 6,921]

I rate Justin Leppitsch as a football commentator, but come on, really? Putting the heat on Stevic for not moving out of the way?

 

Edited August 29, 2021 by Demon Jack

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,799]

2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

I’m all for this, but why am I seeing this in Melbourne Demons?

It's very relevant to the Demons.

GWS will be playing us in a fortnight, and he's vital in their chances against us.

He does well against us.

He should get  at LEAST 2 weeks.

What Stevic says is irrelevant.  He might try to ingratiate himself with a star player by saying there was nothing in it.

As posters have pointed out, the crucial point is the possible influence on young players if this isn't taken seriously.

One factor is, however, that the AFL pretty well runs GWS, and wants it to thrive.

[TRIGON 4,783]

2 hours ago, Cassiew said:

I’m all for this, but why am I seeing this in Melbourne Demons?

Because we meet the winner of GEE Vs GWS in the preliminary final. Therefore, as Demonlanders, our position on the matter is abundantly clear. This incident is either:

a) a fine, or

b) a two-week suspension.

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12 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

I rate Justin Leppitsch as a football commentator, but come on, really? Putting the heat on Stevic for not moving out of the way?

 

Akin to victim blaming.