Tasmanian AFL Team

[WERRIDEE 5,255]

I think the 20th team should be Southport. They already have the infrastructure.

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4 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I think the 20th team should be Southport. They already have the infrastructure.

Because the Suns are doing so well, makes sense.

[Orion 332]

12 hours ago, layzie said:

I don't want to hear about this again until they mean business.

The AFL definitely means business here.  Gill is pushing hard for this to happen.  It's just that the bar has been set very high.  I think it's been set unfairly high.

Edited February 24, 2023 by Orion

[Ouch! 2,138]

18 hours ago, Orion said:

I don't understand why they have to build a new stadium to get a team.  None of the other expansion teams had that as a requirement.  What's wrong with Blundstone Arena?  Very nice stadium.  AFL has been played there for years as well as BBL and Test matches so it's clearly AFL standard. Perfecty good stadium.

very good reason, it's in Bellerive on the bluff, there are houses everywhere around it and there is no parking facilities, to get it up to a scale that they want, would require a lot of construction work, and Tasmania has a higher population of NIMBYs than most places on earth.
 

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15 hours ago, Dwight Schrute said:

To me, the Tassie model always made more sense with a relocation, though I'm not surprised no team was putting their hand up for it. Hopefully, they have a really open-minded look at the format of the competition to make it work, I'm coming around to the idea of more games, but shorter, and playing potentially during the week as well, part of the issue is all of the games being bunched together always leaves the bye as an annoying challenge to deal with

Except no one who has a team wants them to relocated, and Tassie doesn't want a relocated team either, it's not going to do well for membership. 
I think Gil and the AFL Commission would be acutely aware of the success of the Tassie Jack Jumpers (note also they didn't get here without the Stadium either, admittedly it was bought from Glenorchy Council, and was subsequently redeveloped. But their membership I think is now capped, they didn't have a spare seat basically to any game this season, and they've made the GF and Semi finals in the first 2 seasons. With a team that people didn't think was up to it! They are now causing issues due to the fact that it's now being identified that we don't have enough courts in Tassie to keep up with the popularity of the sport at lower divisions, all in the space of 2 years.

I back that they put in the work to determine this model, and the stadium I personally think works too, the site is currently an industrial wasteland, it will be built and incorporated into a precinct that will have other facilities and amenities around it. Biggest concern is traffic congestion, all roads lead thru there basically. Fed Labor will come to the party, but for the precinct as a whole more than just the stadium. 

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2 hours ago, Ouch! said:

very good reason, it's in Bellerive on the bluff, there are houses everywhere around it and there is no parking facilities, to get it up to a scale that they want, would require a lot of construction work, and Tasmania has a higher population of NIMBYs than most places on earth.
 

That maybe so but it's been working fine for AFL games for over ten years and hosted other sports perfectly well 

[layzie 30,400]

3 hours ago, Orion said:

The AFL definitely means business here.  Gill is pushing hard for this to happen.  It's just that the bar has been set very high.  I think it's been set unfairly high.

For sure, its the other parties I'd like to see pony up though. A lot of AFL and government money being proposed, others need to come to the party.

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Just cede stadium land to the City of Geelong and the Victorian Government will pay for it. 

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53 minutes ago, Orion said:

That maybe so but it's been working fine for AFL games for over ten years and hosted other sports perfectly well 

yeah, it's worked fine with Nth and basically a bunch of teams that would run a loss if the game was in Melbourne....  
You see what happens with Collingwood playing the Hawks in Launceston for the practise match.... 
Bellerive won't handle marque teams playing here, and the ground is in a residential suburb! They objected to the lights and there are noise and light covenants that mean you can't have a game go past a certain time, and it cannot host concerts etc
This stadium is not just about AFL, it's just that the team would be an anchor tennant.

[monoccular 16,646]

Merge Saints Hawks North ( all have voluntarily played down there) leaving 16 teams - better talent pool, no bloody byes and closer to an even schedule.    

 

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[layzie 30,400]

It's time. 

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So which team is making way for them?

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Or is the introduction of a 19th to coincide with players being traded anywhere without their consent?

[Deebauched 1,219]

Why is he still allowed to hang around?

Gil McLacklan has to be removed before he does anymore damage.

The standard in the bottom half is poor enough without adding another team. It'll end up another draft plunder.

The AFL are idiots. Why would you pay Tas millions to build their team and join our comp?

Those grubs dont even want to pay for the entire stadium. It wont cost much to build a 35K down there.

Let Tasmania foot the bill. They stand to make millions out of footy tourism.

If they pay for the stadium then disband the Suns relocate as many players as possible and encourage a few AFL players to head down there.  Demons and Tas Devils is ok no big deal. Same as cats tigers lions or hawks magpies crows.

[roy11 3,152]

1 hour ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

So which team is making way for them?

Can see them having a bye for one team a week and forcing more Monday/Thursday night footy on us. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,103]

Notice that the AFL haven't outlined the draft and salary cap concessions that will be given.

One known is that they'll be better than those given to GWS and GCS

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Notice that the AFL haven't outlined the draft and salary cap concessions that will be given.

One known is that they'll be better than those given to GWS and GCS

at least were at our prime and not needing to rebuild this time. 

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2 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

at least were at our prime and not needing to rebuild this time. 

Tassie will enter in 2027/2028 and the draft concessions will continue until 2032 minimum

 

[whatwhat say what 20,369]

the dual introduction of two franchises in consecutive years and free agency artificially kept the cream at the top for longer in the early 2010s - it meant regeneration of talent through the draft was negated by the draft concessions while hawthorn in particular and geelong to a lesser extent were able to use free agency to stay at the top for longer

it will be interesting to see if a taswegian team and the likely mid-season trade period introduction around the same time has a similar effect

Edited April 26, 2023 by whatwhat say what

[Wizard of Koz 981]

25 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Can see them having a bye for one team a week and forcing more Monday/Thursday night footy on us. 

"Forcing". Are you a footy journo who hasn't got  the energy or think that we all need to watch every game.

 

Thur x 1, Fri x 1, Sat x 3, Sun x 3 and mon x 1

Just makes sense to me.

 

[roy11 3,152]

8 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

"Forcing". Are you a footy journo who hasn't got  the energy or think that we all need to watch every game.

 

Thur x 1, Fri x 1, Sat x 3, Sun x 3 and mon x 1

Just makes sense to me.

 

I get your point, just meant from a fan POV Monday/Thursday are difficult to attend at times but understand the media/ratings side of it. 

[daisycutter 28,726]

here's one way byes could be handled

first 19 rounds each team has a bye

assuming 23 rounds that leaves 4 more rounds with a bye

bottom 4 each have a bye over rounds 20 - 23

after round 23 the finalists each have a bye but the bottom 4 plays their round 23 game (i.e. 2 games)

so 24 weeks and every team has played 23 games

comments?

p.s. or alternatively week 24 the bottom 4 teams play their round 23 concurrently with the first week of the finals.

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by daisycutter

[chookrat 3,857]

On 8/12/2021 at 11:39 PM, deelusions from afar said:

I think Tassie should have a team.  But when I talk to Tassie people they seem very divided eg ppl in Launceston would not support a Hobart team and Hobart people wouldn't support a Launceston team.  The obvious solution is to play games at both but some say that satisfies neither.

Unless they are able to get on the same page, I can't see the tassie team working for a while yet.

I reckon the most viable solution is for Golf Coast to relocate to Tassie and to play home games between both stadiums with an investment focus on elite training facilities for AFL, AFLW, State and Junior competition's in both the North and South. Tasmanian's love their grassroot sports and a focus on integrating facilities from elite Juniors through to the National competition would be the most sustainable path.

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2 hours ago, roy11 said:

Can see them having a bye for one team a week and forcing more Monday/Thursday night footy on us. 

I think your right, I’m not a fan of it.