Jump to content

Featured Replies

Just now, Jaded said:

I never said anything about crushing the windpipe. Read my posts again. 
Head and neck is one of the same when it comes to severe injuries and concussions. In fact a few players with ongoing concussion issues have had neck injuries or neck issues. 
We pay frees for above the shoulder not for in the head. End of story. 
 

So now we're dealing with a concussion are we? Far out mate, you are really reaching further with every post.

The point is you keep changing what happened in the incident (which you've now done again).

You first said:
"Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous."

Then said:
"if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries"

It can't be both of these things in this incident. You're just trying to make it sound worse than it is.

And now it's apparently a concussion issue...

 

 

Moronic stuff from Jack. 

He's meant to be a leader and does this shi*. 

Not to mention we are destroying the opposition. 

Needs to get weeks and have a look at himself. 

I think he's done this out of pure frustration at himself. 

Has had an ordinary few weeks and wanted to let it out. 

Either way it's dumb, selfish and just an awful look. 

The only saving grace is precedent but I don't care if they didn't get weeks. Give him a spell so he learns this is a gross act. 
 

  • Author
6 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

That’s like the guy who says, “No, Officer, that’s NOT how it happened. He hit my fist with his face!” 

??‍♂️

 
Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

But does it really make that much of a difference? Head or neck: both no-go zones. 

In the context of this incident it makes a fair bit of difference.

Having your arm pressing down on someone's throat is FAR worse than on the side of their head.

 

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

So now we're dealing with a concussion are we? Far out mate, you are really reaching further with every post.

The point is you keep changing what happened in the incident (which you've now done again).

You first said:
"Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous."

Then said:
"if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries"

It can't be both of these things in this incident. You're just trying to make it sound worse than it is.

And now it's apparently a concussion issue...

 

Whatever I won’t keep going around in circles with you. If you don’t think what Viney did was stupid and dangerous then you’re letting your bias show. 
 

Also some reading for you if you’re interested https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/25/head-neck-injuries-phil-hughes-doctor

Edited by Jaded


  • Author
Just now, WA Demon Boy said:

Moronic stuff from Jack. 

He's meant to be a leader and does this shi*. 

Not to mention we are destroying the opposition. 

Needs to get weeks and have a look at himself. 

I think he's done this out of pure frustration at himself. 

Has had an ordinary few weeks and wanted to let it out. 

Either way it's dumb, selfish and just an awful look. 

The only saving grace is precedent but I don't care if they didn't get weeks. Give him a spell so he learns this is a gross act. 
 

Geeze we have some very average supporters.  

Just now, Demons11 said:

??‍♂️

Ok, I was being facetious here. Thought it was obvious. Clearly it wasn’t. What I mean is, I very much doubt the MRO will see it that way, ie., Collins was the aggressor. 

4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Head and neck is one of the same

I believe the expression is "one and the same".  Sorry!  :D

My two cents - it was dumb and unnecessary but doesn't warrant a suspension.

 

Just regarding swinging elbows, two words:

Hawkins

May


9 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

That’s like the guy who says, “No, Officer, that’s NOT how it happened. He hit my fist with his face!” 

Or like when you have to explain to the ER surgeon you were hanging curtains in the nude and you fell backwards and that’s how the light bulb…

…actually, never mind.

35 minutes ago, Jaded said:

If you think this is no big deal you’re letting your Melbourne bias cloud your judgement. It is a dumb and dangerous thing to do. It’s a bad look and we are a better team than that. Can’t stand clubs who resort to cheap shots. 
We won by 98 points. What is the [censored] point of this sort of idiotic aggression? 

What does the medical report say and what injuries if any does the Gold Coast player sustain?

Mans a liability.

 

 

35 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Putting pressure on someone’s neck is dangerous. Full stop. 
You try having a 90 kilo footballer put their elbow on your throat and see how you like it. 
Just because no damage was done this time doesn’t mean we should just let it go. It’s absolutely a bad look for a game that is trying so hard to protect the head of players. 
Tell me this, if a Gold Coast player did that to Gus who has a history of head injuries would you be mad about it?

No, I wouldn't care and I think it's a bit hysterical to compare genuine knocks to the head with someone pushing down on someones face with their forearm.

  • Author
3 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I believe the expression is "one and the same".  Sorry!  :D

My two cents - it was dumb and unnecessary but doesn't warrant a suspension.

Thank you, some common sense 


Not a great look on the first couple of playthroughs but I actually think Viney has a few arguments up his sleeve here.

1. After completing a solid tackle on Collins, you can see Viney has eyes for the next contest and is in the process of standing up and moving away. Collins then double grabs Viney and pulls him down on top of him.

2. Viney seems to be held into position by Collins with him still double grabbing Vineys jumper.

3. Viney again attempts to leave the encounter as shown by his legs attempting to stand up, Collins still maintains the rage with his double grabbing of the jumper and rolls Viney over and tries to push him into the ground.

Not a great look on the whole and Viney should have tried to move his elbow off his head as soon as possible. Will get penalised for the length of time on his head more so than anything else. Still reckon Collins had a big part in instigating the whole incident though. 

 

Edited by Nascent

1 hour ago, roy11 said:

 

 

This is what Selwood does nearly every match and the little [censored] never has a case to answer for. 
 

Different rules for duckers I guess. 

10 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Gives you a cheap reason to have a go at Viney.  You are kidding yourself if you’d have those other blokes In front of Viney 

Well I just did.

18 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Hopefully he does get weeks.

Gives us a reason not to play him. Purely on form the past few weeks he's been ****house.

Get Jordon back in, or if they want to go for the bigger experience body then Vandenberg. 

Actually he was one of our best last week

6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I believe the expression is "one and the same".  Sorry!  :D

My two cents - it was dumb and unnecessary but doesn't warrant a suspension.

Thank you. My iPhone is not an English professor ?

I think he will get a week for malicious intent and that is about right. It’s a bad look and the AFL will want to stamp it out. Viney is not a big enough name so easy to make him wear it. 


2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Not a great look on the first couple of playthroughs but I actually think Viney has a few arguments up his sleeve here.

1. After completing a solid tackle on Collins, you can see Viney has eyes for the next contest and is in the process of standing up and moving away. Collins then double grabs Viney and pulls him down on top of him.

2. Viney seems to be held into position by Collins with him still double grabbing Vineys jumper.

3. Viney again attempts to leave the encounter as shown by his legs attempting to stand up, Collins still maintains the rage with his double grabbing of the jumper and rolls Viney to the ground and proceeds attempt to push viney into the ground.

Not a great look on the whole and Viney should have tried to move his elbow off his head as soon as possible. Will get penalised for the length of time on his head more so than anything else. Still reckon Collins had a big part in instigating the whole incident though. 

 

Excellent post, now find a way to get on the tribunal panel.

He'll get a week it was stupid but we have JJ  to come in so it doesn't stuff up our structure too much.

15 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I never said anything about crushing the windpipe. Read my posts again. 
Head and neck is one of the same when it comes to severe injuries and concussions. In fact a few players with ongoing concussion issues have had neck injuries or neck issues. 
We pay frees for above the shoulder not for in the head. End of story. 
 

It's not end of story, the head and neck are completely different in the context of this incident. Pushing down on someones face is completely different to pushing down on their neck, neither of which has the potential to cause concussion I might add.

 
2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Actually he was one of our best last week

Yeah nah I didn't think so. Even after watching the doggies replay, nothing had changed my opinion on that I thought he was still fairly average.

1 minute ago, Nascent said:

Not a great look on the first couple of playthroughs but I actually think Viney has a few arguments up his sleeve here.

1. After completing a solid tackle on Collins, you can see Viney has eyes for the next contest and is in the process of standing up and moving away. Collins then double grabs Viney and pulls him down on top of him.

2. Viney seems to be held into position by Collins with him still double grabbing Vineys jumper.

3. Viney again attempts to leave the encounter as shown by his legs attempting to stand up, Collins still maintains the rage with his double grabbing of the jumper and rolls Viney to the ground and proceeds attempt to push viney into the ground.

Not a great look on the whole and Viney should have tried to move his elbow off his head as soon as possible. Will get penalised for the length of time on his head more so than anything else. Still reckon Collins had a big part in instigating the whole incident though. 

 

Not only is this the defence Viney should use, i think there is an element of truth in this. After seeing from different angles, it looks less and less severe everytime i watch it. 

If:

1. Hawkins can carelessly swing his elbows around and 'accidently' break May's cheekbone

2. Selwood can gouge peoples eyes and sit on people

3. Mummy casually following on players ribs with his knees 

4. countless jumper punches and other displays of unsportsmanship behaviour

the AFL have had many times to set a precedent for serious misconduct. It would be grossly unfair to decide to act now. Time for such measures is off season and introduce a set of tangible parameters that one can apply fairly and consistently. 

We will inevitably bend over like we do with all things relating to the overlords at AFL house. 

I love also how Whately glosses over Selwood on 360 in the precedents he has used to compare Jack's incident to. 


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • PREVIEW: Essendon

    As the focus of the AFL moves exclusively to South Australia for Gather Round, the question is raised as to what are we going to get from the  Melbourne Football Club this weekend? Will it be a repeat of the slop fest of the last three weeks that have seen the team score a measly 174 points and concede 310 or will a return to the City of Churches and the scene where they performed at their best in 2024 act as a wakeup call and bring them out of their early season reverie? 
    Or will the sleepy Dees treat their fans to a reenactment of their lazy effort from the first Gather Round of two years ago when they allowed the Bombers to trample all over them on a soggy and wet Adelaide Oval? The two examples from above tell us how fickle form can be in football. Last year, a committed group of players turned up in Adelaide with a businesslike mindset. They had a plan, went in confidently and hard for the football and kicked winning scores against both home teams in a difficult environment for visitors. And they repeated that sort of effort later in the season when they played Essendon at the MCG. Unfortunately, performances like these went against the grain of what Melbourne has been producing from virtually midway through 2024 and extending right through to the present day. This is a game between two clubs who have faltered over the past couple of years because their disposal efficiency is appalling. Neither of them can hit the side of a barn door but history tells us that every once in a while such teams have their lucky days or come up against an opponent in even worse shape and hence, one of them will come up trumps in this match.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Essendon

    Facing the very real and daunting prospect of starting the season with five straight losses, the Demons head to South Australia for the annual Gather Round, where they’ll take on the Bombers in search of their first win of the year. Who comes in, and who comes out?

      • Thanks
    • 239 replies
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 05

    Gather Round is here, kicking off with a Thursday night blockbuster as Adelaide faces Geelong. The Crows will be out for redemption after a controversial loss last week. Saturday starts with the Magpies taking on the Swans. Collingwood will be eager to cement their spot in the top eight, while Sydney is hot on their heels. In the Barossa Valley, two rising sides go head-to-head in a fascinating battle to prove they're the real deal. Later, Carlton and West Coast face off at Adelaide Oval, both desperate to notch their first win of the season. The action then shifts to Norwood, where the undefeated Lions will aim to keep their streak alive against the Bulldogs. Sunday’s games begin in the Barossa with Richmond up against Fremantle. In Norwood, the Saints will be looking to take a scalp when they come up against the Giants. The round concludes with a fiery rematch of last year's semi-final, as the Hawks seek revenge for their narrow loss to Port Adelaide. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • Thanks
    • 16 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Geelong

    There was a time in the second quarter of the game at the Cattery on Friday afternoon when the Casey Demons threatened to take the game apart against the Cats. The Demons had been well on top early but were struggling to convert their ascendancy over the ground until Tom Fullarton’s burst of three goals in the space of eight minutes on the way to a five goal haul and his best game for the club since arriving from Brisbane at the end of 2023. He was leading, marking and otherwise giving his opponents a merry dance as Casey grabbed a three goal lead in the blink of an eye. Fullarton has now kicked ten goals in Casey’s three matches and, with Melbourne’s forward conversion woes, he is definitely in with a chance to get his first game with the club in next week’s Gather Round in Adelaide. Despite the tall forward’s efforts - he finished with 19 disposals and eight marks and had four hit outs as back up to Will Verrall in the second half - it wasn’t enough as Geelong reigned in the lead through persistent attacks and eventually clawed their way to the lead early in the last and held it till they achieved the end aim of victory.

      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Geelong

    I was disappointed to hear Goody say at his post match presser after the team’s 39 point defeat against Geelong that "we're getting high quality entry, just poor execution" because Melbourne’s problems extend far beyond that after its 0 - 4 start to the 2025 football season. There are clearly problems with poor execution, some of which were evident well before the current season and were in play when the Demons met the Cats in early May last year and beat them in a near top-of-the-table clash that saw both sides sitting comfortably in the top four after round eight. Since that game, the Demons’ performances have been positively Third World with only five wins in 19 games with a no longer majestic midfield and a dysfunctional forward line that has become too easy for opposing coaches to counter. This is an area of their game that is currently being played out as if they were all completely panic-stricken.

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 04

    Round 4 kicks off with a blockbuster on Thursday night as traditional rivals Collingwood and Carlton clash at the MCG, with the Magpies looking to assert themselves as early-season contenders and the Blues seeking their first win of the season. Saturday opens with Gold Coast hosting Adelaide, a key test for the Suns as they aim to back up their big win last week, while the Crows will be looking to keep their perfect record intact. Reigning wooden spooners Richmond have the daunting task of facing reigning premiers Brisbane at the ‘G and the Lions will be eager to reaffirm their premiership credentials after a patchy start. Saturday night sees North Melbourne take on Sydney at Marvel Stadium, with the Swans looking to build on their first win of the season last week against a rebuilding Roos outfit. Sunday’s action begins with GWS hosting West Coast at ENGIE Stadium, a game that could get ugly very early for the visitors. Port Adelaide vs St Kilda at Adelaide Oval looms as a interesting clash, with both clubs form being very hard to read. The round wraps up with Fremantle taking on the Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium in what could be a fierce contest between two sides with top-eight ambitions. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons besides us winning?

      • Thanks
    • 273 replies
    Demonland