Jump to content

CHANGES: Rd 21 vs West Coast

Demonland
in Melbourne Demons

Featured Replies

4 hours ago, radar said:

Rumblings from Eagle mate in Perth. Exactly the right week for snap Simpson sacking. 

No chance,

They will respond this week after letting Hurn down and are under the microscope in WA big time.  We need to respond to what they throw at us early and be switched on. We know they will play with 3 talls inside 50.

Our forward pressure if maintained from yesterday should see us create plenty of opportunities as this is a weakness in their defensive set up

    • Like 4
     
    6 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

    No chance,

    They will respond this week after letting Hurn down and are under the microscope in WA big time.  We need to respond to what they throw at us early and be switched on. We know they will play with 3 talls inside 50.

    Our forward pressure if maintained from yesterday should see us create plenty of opportunities as this is a weakness in their defensive set up

    We seem to been in the position of facing teams on the rebound this last few weeks. This will not be easy. 

    Tricky week. Huge win against a pathetic oppo.

    Not a huge fan of playing Viney, Harmes and Sparrow all in the same team and for mine it would be Harmes coming out, but can't help but feel Goody might just go with the swap of Sparrow and Jordon (if any changes).

    I can understand the frustration with Viney, but I have this feeling he's actively working on trying to change his footy habits; which has seen him always win the ball and just boot it long. We saw snippets of the disposal inside 50 he's capable of if he can make that work in the second half against the Suns. I'd keep him in based on if he can get the balance in his game he will be a far better player for us.

    Harmes is the opposite, his bad habits are just getting worse.

    Weid and Hibberd on hold for TMac and Salem if needed, Goody might swap Sparrow and Jordon, but no change otherwise.

     

    • Like 3
     
    1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

    You're kidding, right?

    For one, Weid's best football this year has been playing a role more like TMac than Brown, so he'd IMO be more suited to playing alongside Brown than alongside TMac.

    For another, Smith's been playing defence all season.

    For a third, why the [censored] would we experiment this boldly in our most important game of the year so far?

    You are right. I have missed Weids dropped marks, leading into other forwards space and when he does manage to hold a mark- his failure to convert. 

    • Like 1
    1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

    Considering most of us (including myself) demanded Jackson to be dropped last week, shows that the coaches still have a fair better idea than us!

    I am potentially opening myself up for a bath here, but I don't think Jacko necessarily had that much better game than past weeks. He obviously kicked 4 goals which is great, however he seemed to get lucky being in the right spot a couple of times. He only had 6 kicks - shows what a difference accurate kicking makes!

    On form, he definitely was right in the gun to be dropped. I hope he gains a lot of confidence from it and he can keep hitting the scoreboard deep into finals

    Edited by BW511

    • Like 1

    8 minutes ago, old dee said:

    You are correct of course most of us have this problem to some extent. I can never see Weideman being any more than useful. However if Tmac cannot play this week he is the logical replacement. Supporters get off players quick. Viney had a average first half yesterday and one guy wants to trade him. 

    Spot on, supporters are too quick to jump off players, most would have had TMac gone at the end of last year, Jones wouldn't have played 100 games if you listened to supporters early on! 

    1 hour ago, 1964_2 said:

    All that tells you is that the age and HS reporters read the stats, rather than watching games to determine the best. 

    only best Harmes and Viney were in was for GC! 

    Or are they more subjective than the ordinary supporter who has a preconceived bias that magnifies any mistake/error a player makes? Where a supporter highlights the miss-kick or holding the ball decision, is the reporter seeing the things the player does well and the contribution to the team - not just the mistake? 

    • Like 1

    I have zero doubt Jordon will be in our finals team.

    Smart use of him as a medical sub I reckon. Kept him around the team. Gave him a much needed rest and allowed them to give sparrow a deserved run after being the go to medi sub for much of the season.

    I reckon they will do the same thing this week too.

    So, no change.

    I tgought viney played well. Harmes not so much. But for those potting those two, it is instructive in the club's match report, both were listed in tbe best players (with harmes listed third). 

    BEST  
    Melbourne: Oliver, Petracca, Harmes, May, Jackson, Brown, Viney   

    I think ultimately they will want melksham in our finals team. But he can bide his time and come in for the cats game.

    Edited by binman

    • Like 3
    2 minutes ago, binman said:

    I have zero doubt Jordan will be in our finals team.

    Smart use of him as a medical sub I reckon. Kept him around the team. Gave him a much needed rest and allowed them to give sparrow a deserved run after being the go to medi sub for much of the season.

    I reckon they will do the same thing this week too.

    So, no change.

    I tgought viney played well. Harmes not so much. But for those potting those two, it is instructive in the club's match report, both were listed in tbe best players (with harmes listed third). 

    BEST  
    Melbourne: Oliver, Petracca, Harmes, May, Jackson, Brown, Viney   

    I think ultimately they will want melksham in our finals team. But he can bide his time and come in for the cats game.

    If Tmac misses he might be a chance this week. 

     
    1 minute ago, binman said:

    I have zero doubt Jordan will be in our finals team.

    Smart use of him as a medical sub I reckon. Kept him around the team. Gave him a much needed rest and allowed them to give sparrow a deserved run after being the go to medi sub for much of the season.

    I reckon they will do the same thing this week too.

    So, no change.

    I tgought viney played well. Harmes not so much. But for those potting those two, it is instructive in the club's match report, both were listed in tbe best players (with harmes listed third). 

    BEST  
    Melbourne: Oliver, Petracca, Harmes, May, Jackson, Brown, Viney   

    I think ultimately they will want melksham in our finals team. But he can bide his time and come in for the cats game.

    Harmes tagged Rowell and kept him to "zero" clearances. 

    Also, it's not that surprising that the club rated Harmes and Viney in the best 7.  Harmes was number 1 for pressure acts, with Viney second.  Between Harmes, Viney, and ANB they accounted for almost 30% of our total pressure acts.  Those 3 also had 1/3 our our tackles. Those stats may not be rated by demonlanders, but they would be valued really highly by the coaches and club.

    • Like 5

    Sadly due the foot injuries Viney can only run in straight lines these days, which means he can not side step tackles. Maybe he can create some mayhem in the forward line with his pressure and short passing.He has never been a lace out long kick.

     


    12 minutes ago, binman said:

    I have zero doubt Jordan will be in our finals team.

    @Demonstone thoughts? ;)

      

    12 minutes ago, binman said:

    But for those potting those two, it is instructive in the club's match report, both were listed in tbe best players (with harmes listed third). 

    BEST  
    Melbourne: Oliver, Petracca, Harmes, May, Jackson, Brown, Viney  

    Just to clarify, that's not "the club's match report" that's the AFL website one. So it doesn't really tell you anything about what the club thought of the performances.

     

    7 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    @Demonstone thoughts? ;)

      

    Just to clarify, that's not "the club's match report" that's the AFL website one. So it doesn't really tell you anything about what the club thought of the performances.

     

    Jordon edited to avoid the wrath of ds.

    Fair point about match report being compiled by the afl. But I have always assumed the clubs provide the injuiries and best players

     

    4 minutes ago, adonski said:

    T Mac is on the flight 

    He was always on the flight.

    Goody Confirmed this yesterday.

    1 minute ago, binman said:

    Jordon edited to avoid the wrath of ds.

    Fair point about match report being compiled by the afl. But I have always assumed the clubs provide the injuiries and best players

    Nah, the AFL journo just puts that in and the article gets 're-badged' for the MFC website.

    Coaches votes usually give us more I reckon.


    I know this is the wrong thread but how good was Bowey’s debut! Hope he strings a few together

    • Like 4
    26 minutes ago, old dee said:

    If Tmac misses he might be a chance this week. 

    Surely Weid rucking and forward is a better like for like.

    28 minutes ago, binman said:

    I have zero doubt Jordon will be in our finals team.

    Smart use of him as a medical sub I reckon. Kept him around the team. Gave him a much needed rest and allowed them to give sparrow a deserved run after being the go to medi sub for much of the season.

    I reckon they will do the same thing this week too.

    So, no change.

    I tgought viney played well. Harmes not so much. But for those potting those two, it is instructive in the club's match report, both were listed in tbe best players (with harmes listed third). 

    BEST  
    Melbourne: Oliver, Petracca, Harmes, May, Jackson, Brown, Viney   

    I think ultimately they will want melksham in our finals team. But he can bide his time and come in for the cats game.

    The best found on the MFC site, is simply picked up from the AFL app best every week - a similar standard of just looking at stats (similar to HS + the age).......Got absolutely nothing to do with the club’s view of who was best. 
     

    11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    He was always on the flight.

    Goody Confirmed this yesterday.

    I stand corrected

    5 minutes ago, 58er said:

    Surely Weid rucking and forward is a better like for like.

    Maybe but milkshake is the best kick of our forwards list by a country mile or 1.609 km. 


    15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

    Nah, the AFL journo just puts that in and the article gets 're-badged' for the MFC website.

    Coaches votes usually give us more I reckon.

    Ok. Though obviously they must check injury status with the club.

    On the coaches voting front, some posters thought viney had a stinker against the hawks. But he got 2 coaches votes. And my guess is goodly gave them to him. 

    Similarly viney polled much better in last years bluey than many predicted.

    Goody values players that apply pressure. 

     

    • Like 3
    45 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

    Harmes tagged Rowell and kept him to "zero" clearances. 

    Also, it's not that surprising that the club rated Harmes and Viney in the best 7.  Harmes was number 1 for pressure acts, with Viney second.  Between Harmes, Viney, and ANB they accounted for almost 30% of our total pressure acts.  Those 3 also had 1/3 our our tackles. Those stats may not be rated by demonlanders, but they would be valued really highly by the coaches and club.

    See this is where I have a problem with the ‘best’. Rowell was listed as one of their bests too (along with Swallow). They got pantsed by almost 100 points - of which all the drive came from our midfield.

    Its just done on stats. Their mids were dreadful.

    • Like 1

    If TMac can't play I wouldn't bother with Weideman, I'd just go with the smaller forward structure we had earlier in the year.

     
    15 minutes ago, binman said:

    Ok. Though obviously they must check injury status with the club.

    On the coaches voting front, some posters thought viney had a stinker against the hawks. But he got 2 coaches votes. And my guess is goodly gave them to him. 

    Similarly viney polled much better in last years bluey than many predicted.

    Goody values players that apply pressure. 

     

    But cares little about disposal, or lack there of, due to every second one being a holding the ball..

    • Like 1

    Coaches' votes will be fascinating this week ...


    Guest
    This topic is now closed to further replies.
    Go to topic listing

    Featured Content

    • NON-MFC: Round 13

      Follow all the action from every Round 13 clash excluding the Dees as the 2025 AFL Premiership Season rolls on. With Melbourne playing in the final match of the round on King's Birthday, all eyes turn to the rest of the competition. Who are you tipping to win? And more importantly, which results best serve the Demons’ finals aspirations? Join the discussion and keep track of the matches that could shape the ladder and impact our run to September.

        • Thanks
      • 36 replies
      Demonland

    • PREVIEW: Collingwood

      Having convincingly defeated last year’s premier and decisively outplayed the runner-up with 8.2 in the final quarter, nothing epitomized the Melbourne Football Club’s performance more than its 1.12 final half, particularly the eight consecutive behinds in the last term, against a struggling St Kilda team in the midst of a dismal losing streak. Just when stability and consistency were anticipated within the Demon ranks, they delivered a quintessential performance marked by instability and ill-conceived decisions, with the most striking aspect being their inaccuracy in kicking for goal, which suggested a lack of preparation (instead of sleeping in their hotel in Alice, were they having a night on the turps) rather than a well-rested team. Let’s face it - this kicking disease that makes them look like raw amateurs is becoming a millstone around the team’s neck.

        • Thanks
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • CASEY: Sydney

      The Casey Demons were always expected to emerge victorious in their matchup against the lowly-ranked Sydney Swans at picturesque Tramway Oval, situated in the shadows of the SCG in Moore Park. They dominated the proceedings in the opening two and a half quarters of the game but had little to show for it. This was primarily due to their own sloppy errors in a low-standard game that produced a number of crowded mauls reminiscent of the rugby game popular in old Sydney Town. However, when the Swans tired, as teams often do when they turn games into ugly defensive contests, Casey lifted the standard of its own play and … it was off to the races. Not to nearby Randwick but to a different race with an objective of piling on goal after goal on the way to a mammoth victory. At the 25-minute mark of the third quarter, the Demons held a slender 14-point lead over the Swans, who are ahead on the ladder of only the previous week's opposition, the ailing Bullants. Forty minutes later, they had more than fully compensated for the sloppiness of their earlier play with a decisive 94-point victory, that culminated in a rousing finish which yielded thirteen unanswered goals. Kicks hit their targets, the ball found itself going through the middle and every player made a contribution.

        • Thanks
        • Like
      • 1 reply
      Demonland

    • REPORT: St. Kilda

      Hands up if you thought, like me, at half-time in yesterday’s game at TIO Traeger Park, Alice Springs that Melbourne’s disposal around the ground and, in particular, its kicking inaccuracy in front of the goals couldn’t get any worse. Well, it did. And what’s even more damning for the Melbourne Football Club is that the game against St Kilda and its resurgence from the bottomless pit of its miserable start to the season wasn’t just lost through poor conversion for goal but rather in the 15 minutes when the entire team went into a slumber and was mugged by the out-of-form Saints. Their six goals two behinds (one goal less than the Demons managed for the whole game) weaved a path of destruction from which they were unable to recover. Ross Lyon’s astute use of pressure to contain the situation once they had asserted their grip on the game, and Melbourne’s self-destructive wastefulness, assured that outcome. The old adage about the insanity of repeatedly doing something and expecting a different result, was out there. Two years ago, the score line in Melbourne’s loss to the Giants at this same ground was 5 goals 15 behinds - a ratio of one goal per four scoring shots - was perfectly replicated with yesterday’s 7 goals 21 behinds. 
      This has been going on for a while and opens up a number of questions. I’ll put forward a few that come to mind from this performance. The obvious first question is whether the club can find a suitable coach to instruct players on proper kicking techniques or is this a skill that can no longer be developed at this stage of the development of our playing group? Another concern is the team's ability to counter an opponent's dominance during a run on as exemplified by the Saints in the first quarter. Did the Demons underestimate their opponents, considering St Kilda's goals during this period were scored by relatively unknown forwards? Furthermore, given the modest attendance of 6,721 at TIO Traeger Park and the team's poor past performances at this venue, is it prudent to prioritize financial gain over potentially sacrificing valuable premiership points by relinquishing home ground advantage, notwithstanding the cultural significance of the team's connection to the Red Centre? 

        • Thanks
      • 4 replies
      Demonland

    • PREGAME: Collingwood

      After a disappointing loss in Alice Springs the Demons return to the MCG to take on the Magpies in the annual King's Birthday Big Freeze for MND game. Who comes in and who goes out?

        • Thanks
      • 248 replies
      Demonland

    • PODCAST: St. Kilda

      The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 2nd June @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we have a chat with former Demon ruckman Jeff White about his YouTube channel First Use where he dissects ruck setups and contests. We'll then discuss the Dees disappointing loss to the Saints in Alice Springs.
      Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
      Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/

        • Thanks
      • 47 replies
      Demonland
    View All