CHANGES: Rd 16 vs GWS

[dazzledavey36 54,998]

5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Gut feel is he won't have to do a massive amount to get in, 2-3 goals along with a few marks and he gets the call up IMO.

Hope so Nev. He was named emergency which means he's super close. 

 

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13 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

Kozi has had a poor last few matches. Love him but it might be time for a break and think about team footy again. 

Sadly Has dropped of a lot but so have our other forwards.

[george_on_the_outer 7,611]

Tmac can't do it all on his own.  Part time rucks aren't forwards.

 

Bring in a forward who can kick straight from 40m. 

Bring in a forward who will take the opposition tallest back

Bring in a forward who can take a mark

Is there anyone you can think might be able to do that?

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3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Yep me, and Im also in the Mitch Brown corner as well!

Yes indeed.

Our fwd line is broken.

We need to make a change.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,508]

20 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Gut feel is he won't have to do a massive amount to get in, 2-3 goals along with a few marks and he gets the call up IMO.

I think it might come down to his GPS numbers as much as the numbers of goals.
If he's fit and moving well, I'd think he comes in for a look.

 

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2 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Yes indeed.

Our fwd line is broken.

We need to make a change.

It would appear both Browns are on the outer or it maybe they have not played a game in weeks.  

[Jaded No More 68,966]

At least it looks like an ok day for forwards. Not much rain or wind. 

[pineapple dee 2,892]

3 hours ago, Redleg said:

Had a poor game no doubt, but did you see the chase, when he chased down about 4 different Bombers, putting pressure on each one’s disposal? It was sensational team first  efforts and gut running at full pace.

No one else in our team could have done it. 

I said to my son late in the game we needed a contribution from Fritch. I meant something like a goal. But that pressure act on the wing to get the ball over the boundary was almost as good. 

The bummers could have hurt us if Fritch hadn't intervened.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,778]

32 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Yes indeed.

Our fwd line is broken.

We need to make a change.

Agree we need a big forward.

I'm just not sure BBB style matches our game. He's a hit-up lead and mark forward that leads out of the square into a space. Need some more polished foot skills for I50s delivering to him.

Our style is either bomb it in OR fast break through the line / over the back. We've seen BBB fail dismally underneath the bombs a few weeks back, and you can't hit-up when there's a fast break, everyone is running bavk from the high pushed up defence, including the Full Forwards

For me we really need an in form Weed (which we can't find), and perhaps a Mitch Brown or even Majak might be better suited to the game style than BBB.

[BW511 2,675]

50 minutes ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Agree we need a big forward.

I'm just not sure BBB style matches our game. He's a hit-up lead and mark forward that leads out of the square into a space. Need some more polished foot skills for I50s delivering to him.

Our style is either bomb it in OR fast break through the line / over the back. We've seen BBB fail dismally underneath the bombs a few weeks back, and you can't hit-up when there's a fast break, everyone is running bavk from the high pushed up defence, including the Full Forwards

For me we really need an in form Weed (which we can't find), and perhaps a Mitch Brown or even Majak might be better suited to the game style than BBB.

I tend to agree that Weid and Mitch are better suited to our game style, but there’s no denying that Ben Brown commands the attention of a proper tall back.

The bombers talls had it very easy in defence at times, lots of uncontested marks.

There is little chance a forward line of T-Mac and Fritta stands up against Geelong or WC in a GF. Jacko is creating a bit of an issue in my opinion, he’s too good a player to leave out but also doesn’t do enough in the forward arc to be considered a permanent forward. I do not want to lose Jacko, but think his position creates a little lack of balance.

I also think Max played a lot better when he was going it alone 
 

 

[Ouch! 2,266]

Based off Goody's presser last night and the way Jones has played today, I would imagine there is a chance we'll see Jones back this week as well.

Kozzie hasn't been bad, but he has not been clean, and not getting a tackle for the game, when he's one of the leading tacklers in I50 for the comp, might be worth just freshening him up for a spell.

In: Jones (from sub), BBB

Out: Sparrow, Kozzie (as sub)

Sparrow hasn't done a lot wrong either TBH

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2 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Tmac can't do it all on his own.  Part time rucks aren't forwards.

 

Bring in a forward who can kick straight from 40m. 

Bring in a forward who will take the opposition tallest back

Bring in a forward who can take a mark

Is there anyone you can think might be able to do that?

This.

Love luke jackson although he dropped off in the game. He will be a very good player and is a true package.

But yes he and Gawny who was excellent were often playing way up the ground only metres apart a good deal of the game. 

We desperately needed a tall up fwd at times as Fritta who is great in space is not tall or strong enough to take a contested pack mark.Or bring the ball to ground. Also oir fwd pressure was poor. Maybe not poor but dons were too tall and simply waltzed out of our fifty way too easily.

For the inside 50s we hardly scored.

Not only can Tmac not do it by himself he has also dropped in form over the last few games so another strong fwd is essential.

Ok Mfc even if you wont back bbb there must be someone to play. Roll the dice and sort it out so we can win a flag but yesterdays experiment wont cut it.

It was a good win against a quality side but it was off the back of our backs.( and mids).

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14 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Yes, a poor game from Ben should not make him an inclusion next week. Reward best performers in twos.

If this is correct then I withdraw my assumption the club is at odds with him.

Apologies. Its a worry if hes not performing there and I hope for our sake he can turn things around.

I think he was dropped unfairly but it he was still lucky to get in before sw.

It happens. Come on bbb get your mojo back.

Still leaves the issue of we need another big body up fwd.

Apart from Mitch what else can we do?

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

IN: Brown

OUT: Sparrow

I really like Sparrow and he was good for the amount of game time he had, but seems the most likely option.

Jones or Melksham could possibly be close for Kozzy or Spargs who need to find a bit of form. Probably get one more week though based on their form the rest of the season.

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19 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

IN: Brown

OUT: Sparrow

I really like Sparrow and he was good for the amount of game time he had, but seems the most likely option.

Jones or Melksham could possibly be close for Kozzy or Spargs who need to find a bit of form. Probably get one more week though based on their form the rest of the season.

This is spot on. This will be the one change this week. You don’t have to be a genius to identify that we are lacking presence up there. If the AFL media are picking up on it, then the coaches also know it.

When we beat GWS earlier this year, Phil Davis went down early while Fritsch got some lucky breaks on Haynes and Pickett bobbed up with 4.

Pickett will not kick 4 again this time, Fritsch will be lucky to get as many shots on goal against Haynes while if Davis blankets Tmac, then we won’t kick a winning score. BBB must come in to stretch this Giants defence otherwise we will lose it at selection.

 

Edited June 27, 2021 by At the break of Gawn

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37 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

stretch this Giants defence otherwise we will lose it at selection.

Went close yesterday if we are honest.

Our backline was brilliant though.

But is it correct that bbb isnt performing....what about mitch brown?

[Dave1711 145]

Watching Casey today, reckon Brown Bowey or Chunk should come in, Sparrow, ANB out, should try to find room for Chunk, he killed it today

[titan_uranus 25,020]

50 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

This is spot on. This will be the one change this week. You don’t have to be a genius to identify that we are lacking presence up there. If the AFL media are picking up on it, then the coaches also know it.

When we beat GWS earlier this year, Phil Davis went down early while Fritsch got some lucky breaks on Haynes and Pickett bobbed up with 4.

Pickett will not kick 4 again this time, Fritsch will be lucky to get as many shots on goal against Haynes while if Davis blankets Tmac, then we won’t kick a winning score. BBB must come in to stretch this Giants defence otherwise we will lose it at selection.

 

Whilst this isn't an unreasonable argument, this GWS defence you speak highly of just conceded 90 points to Hawthorn.

Dylan Moore, 176cm tall, kicked 4.1, whilst Tim O'Brien, a distinctly mediocre tall, kicked 2.2.

[DeeZee 7,425]

I’d try something different with our forward mix and replace ANB with Brown, because even though he is a good pressure player he hardly troubles the scoreboard for a forward.

Chunk for Sparrow who can consider himself unlucky as he hasn’t done much wrong , but doesn’t t get enough of it for mine. Jones will be an upgrade.

Bowey the Sub, been really impressed with this kid. Skillful, works hard and good decision maker.

Vandenberg looked good today too and just might work his way back into this team as he gets his fitness back.

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[gs77 4,254]

20 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Went close yesterday if we are honest.

Our backline was brilliant though.

But is it correct that bbb isnt performing....what about mitch brown?

BBB kicked 5.2 in the VFL today. Weid 1 goal late in the 4th. Not sure how Mitch Brown went.

[Jibroni 5,004]

2 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Sparrow hasn't done a lot wrong either TBH

The why drop him, he was reasonable and has more upside than Jones.

[Demonstone 22,634]

21 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

But is it correct that bbb isnt performing....what about mitch brown?

1.  Sideshow Bob kicked 5.2 today.  Bring him in.

2.  Mitch Brown went off injured early in today's game.  Not in consideration.

3.  There's only one "o" in Goulburn.  

[Mel Bourne 4,515]

17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

For most of the game I felt we needed another marking option in the forward line.

I think we need to try Ben Brown again, but I'm not 100% convinced, particularly because I'm not sure who makes way.

I see the arguments for Pickett. He's been off the last few games. But there are clearly risks with taking his pressure and speed from the forward half out of the side.

Did Sparrow do enough to hold his spot? I liked what he did but 11 disposals from 55% time on ground, is that something we can improve on with Brown?

 

I think Koz needs to properly understand that he's playing for his spot every week, and that the early excitement he generated amongst fans and pundits does not equate to a guaranteed selection week in, week out. And next week it's a rest, for my liking.

Not sure who comes in - whether it's a small forward or tall - but if it's Melksham we can live in hope that his recent demotion sent a message that has been understood.

 

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28 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Sideshow Bob kicked 5.2 today.  Bring him in.

Game over . Tx.

Way to go bbb.

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41 minutes ago, Dave1711 said:

Watching Casey today, reckon Brown Bowey or Chunk should come in, Sparrow, ANB out, should try to find room for Chunk, he killed it today

Maybe Spas but not Nibbler. Anb will recspture his better form.

Also bbb in so im not sure who comes out if we want chunk...but great to see hes back.

Edited June 27, 2021 by leave it to deever