TEAMS: Rd 12 vs Brisbane

[Ted Lasso 18,780]

we're a systems based team and while we will feel the loss of Langdon, i think our 22 is well and truely good enough to beat the Lions. 

 

[DubDee 24,354]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

❌ Viney Tomlinson Langdon from best 22. 
 

❌ Lions missing Gardiner and … otherwise at full strength

I think Harmes on McCluggage is a good move.  

J, Berry and Raynor both also injured and very good players

[DubDee 24,354]

McLuggage had been in great form and has been playing more inside this year. I'd say around 50% inside mid and 50% wing.  Would be good to have Jordon on him all game and follow him on the wing and inside

[CHF 2,696]

With Langdon out this is as good as the team is going to get. There will be some interesting matchup and I would expect some quick moves of players depending on the contests. 

Harmes to Zorko or Lyon for me. First up I would have him on Zorko to shut down his clearances. McCluggage to have Brayshaw with him if he lines up on the wing. Might give the inside job on him to Sparrow if he is damaging.

Would not be surprised if Robinson goes to Oliver. 

Will watch the game with a close eye on how they line up.

Dees to win by 4 goals.

[BAMF 4,110]

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Yes I understood that, but why Poor form??

Hope he gets the Gig!

Right... not sure why i am bothering here, but...

An AFL player is always going to remember their debut game. It's a big deal. You would know no matter what that you were good enough to get to the highest level.

Your family would be present at the game... they would be so proud. Likely all your friends too... close or otherwise.

If you are the medical sub you might not actually get a game. All that build up and emotion for nothing... do you do it all again next week? Maybe... but it doesnt have the same feeling.

If you do come on... it means a teammate is injured which is a negative. The player might not get much game time. They might not even get a kick. This would be disastrous for a young player.

Plus... do you really want the sub to be a kid sitting on the bench full of nerves, unsure if he is going to come on? No. You dont. Clubs dont do this. I would be amazed if they named him.

In no way am I saying he doesnt deserve a game.

Edited June 3, 2021 by BAMF

[Pates 9,625]

39 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Should have won and had we, we'd have made finals.

I've been casting my mind back to the game. Pickett missed a soda handball to Langdon in the square, Bennell missed from 10m out, then in our final foray forward Hannan had Viney open inside 50 but went long, high and to the pocket, missed, went out on the full, then Fritsch gave away 50 by not giving the ball back.

Infuriating. Would love to win tomorrow just to feel better about last year.

Yep there were so many missed opportunities that game, I even remember Huddo’s call as Bennell streamed towards goal “this is why they got him he’s a great finisher, and he.....misses”. I feel like the biggest difference this year compared to last year is that we take those chances to manufacture goals. 

[Adam The God 29,358]

Neale is too dangerous not to tag given the Lions create the majority of their scores from stoppage. Harmes goes to him. I've no doubt. If he can quell Neale, it might go a long way to winning the match.

Lyons and Zorko worry me too though, but I'm comfortable with Clarry and Trac going head to head with them.

If Zorko and Lyons are winning it, that'll bring McLuggage and Rich into it, so if they do win clearance, that post clearance pressure is going to be vital.

Edited June 3, 2021 by A F

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Are Brisbane tanking? How can you possibly win without your barometer? I was looking forward to Steven May putting beast mode into sleep mode. 
 

Not optimistic about this one. Langdon is huge, not only the solid 20 possessions and 100’s of metres gained, but the assistance and bail out he provides the defenders. 

[Adam The God 29,358]

2 hours ago, DeeZee said:

...I’d like to see Hunt and Rivers alternate the position.

It won't happen. Selection tells us everything about the mindset of the MC. We want continuity and simplicity. That means they'll keep the defensive structure as is. Pulling Hunt and Rivers out of the back 6 completely disrupts us and would be a bad coaching move IMO.

The second wing position will come from JJ, Melksham and Kozzy.

Edited June 3, 2021 by A F

[Adam The God 29,358]

28 minutes ago, DubDee said:

McLuggage had been in great form and has been playing more inside this year. I'd say around 50% inside mid and 50% wing.  Would be good to have Jordon on him all game and follow him on the wing and inside

Love this idea. ?

[DeeZee 7,296]

26 minutes ago, A F said:

It won't happen. Selection tells us everything about the mindset of the MC. We want continuity and simplicity. That means they'll keep the defensive structure as is. Pulling Hunt and Rivers out of the back 6 completely disrupts us and would be a bad coaching move IMO.

The second wing position will come from JJ, Melksham and Kozzy.

Then your pulling JJ out of the middle, and Kozzie out of his forward position and melksham  out of his mid to forward linking position.

Plus you are not losing anything at all if say a Hunt pushes up to the wing.

you still have a strong back 6 of May, Lever, Petty, Hibberd, Salem and Rivers.

Any way you look at it you have to move someone.

 

[Jaded No More 67,641]

13 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Then your pulling JJ out of the middle, and Kozzie out of his forward position and melksham  out of his mid to forward linking position.

Plus you are not losing anything at all if say a Hunt pushes up to the wing.

you still have a strong back 6 of May, Lever, Petty, Hibberd, Salem and Rivers.

Any way you look at it you have to move someone.

 

With Sparrow in we are one inside mid too heavy. Clearly the plan is to push one of the inside mids to the wing. If it wasn’t they would have brought in Baker. 
My guess is Harmes on the wing in a run with role on McLuggage or JJ. 

Edited June 3, 2021 by Jaded

[Adam The God 29,358]

43 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Then your pulling JJ out of the middle, and Kozzie out of his forward position and melksham  out of his mid to forward linking position.

Plus you are not losing anything at all if say a Hunt pushes up to the wing.

you still have a strong back 6 of May, Lever, Petty, Hibberd, Salem and Rivers.

Any way you look at it you have to move someone.

 

Yeah, but our game is based around protecting our back 6 and countering from there.

None of it is ideal, but shifting mids and forwards around is a lot more doable in our system I reckon.

[John Demonic 5,505]

5 hours ago, BAMF said:

Right... not sure why i am bothering here, but...

An AFL player is always going to remember their debut game. It's a big deal. You would know no matter what that you were good enough to get to the highest level.

Your family would be present at the game... they would be so proud. Likely all your friends too... close or otherwise.

If you are the medical sub you might not actually get a game. All that build up and emotion for nothing... do you do it all again next week? Maybe... but it doesnt have the same feeling.

If you do come on... it means a teammate is injured which is a negative. The player might not get much game time. They might not even get a kick. This would be disastrous for a young player.

Plus... do you really want the sub to be a kid sitting on the bench full of nerves, unsure if he is going to come on? No. You dont. Clubs dont do this. I would be amazed if they named him.

In no way am I saying he doesnt deserve a game.

These are all valid points,

... But what if having Bowey as the sub is because he's our next best performed, the most ideal utility roleplayer to cover various positions, the fittest, the best decision maker, the most skilled and therefore the best pick of the bunch to help us get over the line, in the event of an injury? Purely from a tactical point of view.

I mean the coaching dept has already confirmed you are good enough to make it to the highest level if you are picked ahead of 22 or so other players on the list, in just your first year. And tbh id rather see what he can do at this stage, than have Baker as sub. If our best 22 is so hard to get into for another month, it makes sense to put the 23rd best player as sub, even if he's not used for a month, just in the event that he's ready to have an better impact on the game, than others who you're saying we should make subs purely because they've already debuted? It's not a compelling argument.

The kids a first round pick, I'm sure he has enough belief in himself and is chomping at the bit to get on the field and make an impact in any capacity. Maybe stepping up, when another goes down, is also a point of pride. 

If he doesn't come on, we all know it wasn't his first game. It's merely an intangible statistical anomaly that the AFL just hasn't fixed yet. He will know his first game will be when he actually gets on the field via a sub or as listed in 22.

But having said all that, your points about family and the first game being major are all perfectly fine reasons to just debut him in the 22 instead when the time comes.

I don't know, depends on the player really. As i said, maybe he really wants to debut as 23rd man waiting to help out if someone is injured. We're a 10/1 team chock full of superstars and players all performing their role, you'd kill to just be cutting oranges for them at this stage. ?‍♂️

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by John Demonic

[Jymothy 9]

4 hours ago, John Demonic said:

But having said all that, your points about family

Are they allowed to leave Victoria, if that’s where they live?

[Purple77 981]

How good is it that our first and second rounders from the 2017-2019 drafts are all playing this match!

2017: Spargo, Fritsch and Petty

2018: Sparrow and Jordon

2019: Jackson, Koz and Rivers

That's a serious strike rate from JT!

Edited June 3, 2021 by Purple77

[Kent 2,859]

9 hours ago, A F said:

It won't happen. Selection tells us everything about the mindset of the MC. We want continuity and simplicity. That means they'll keep the defensive structure as is. Pulling Hunt and Rivers out of the back 6 completely disrupts us and would be a bad coaching move IMO.

The second wing position will come from JJ, Melksham and Kozzy.

I would run ANB on Langdons' wing 

Knows the system has the tank and is making good decisions at the moment

Harmes on Neal and let them try to tag our best

[binman 41,948]

2 minutes ago, Kent said:

I would run ANB on Langdons' wing 

Knows the system has the tank and is making good decisions at the moment

Harmes on Neal and let them try to tag our best

Yeah, that would work actually. Good call.

In addition to having the tank and making good decisions, nibbler role is very similar to langdons, in so far as it involves lots of defensive running between the arcs, much it near the boundary.

In that scenario JJ stays in the middle and Captain Jack takes nibbler's role -  a position he has played so is familiar with.

Minimal change and captain Jack is not thrown to tbe wolves first up against a super midfield.

Club house leader Kenty

[Jaded No More 67,641]

I don’t think they will debut a kid as a sub with zero fanfare. Never happened before. Bedford the sub for me given it’s our Indigenous round. 

[Maldonboy38 6,379]

Only 1 shut down role - Harmes to Zorko.

Allow Brayshaw to play his natural game on McCluggage.

Hopefully down back we can see Hibbo on Cameron and Rivers on McCarthy so Salem can play on Ah chee which is a huge win for us. 

[whatwhat say what 22,133]

13 hours ago, DeeZee said:

Bowey will be the sub.

i hope not

terrible way to 'play' your debut game, particularly if he doesn't get on the field

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

I would have thought if Langdon were playing, he'd be on the same wing as McLuggage.  I've always thought Harmes was the player most like Langdon - that is an aerobic beast with moderate to good, but not sublime, disposal skills. Perhaps it makes sense, therefore, to play Harmes on McLuggage and Sparrow to take Harmes's lockdown role in the midfield. 

[Demonstone 21,765]

McCluggage or  McLuggage?  Let's make him pack his McBags tonight.

[WalkingCivilWar 39,259]

19 minutes ago, demonstone said:

McCluggage or  McLuggage?  Let's make him pack his McBags tonight.

You mean his McBaggage!

[58er 5,928]

3 hours ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Only 1 shut down role - Harmes to Zorko.

Allow Brayshaw to play his natural game on McCluggage.

Hopefully down back we can see Hibbo on Cameron and Rivers on McCarthy so Salem can play on Ah chee which is a huge win for us. 

Other way round IMO Hibbo on McCarthy ( taller consistent marking player) and Riv on Cameron as did job on minding smaller faster Weightman last week.