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2019 Genius Recruiting

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Genius recruiting in 2019, I wondered at the time why we didn't protest having our pick 2 taken away from us. Now in hindsight I realise it's because we were always going to select Luke Jackson.

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    For context - a screenshot during Hell & Back, difficult to read but Jackson listed at #2, with what appears to be Anderson #5

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    Wow that draft board is interesting. Would love to know where Rivers, Serong, Day, Georgiades and some others are. Sparkes and Baldi at Casey for a good reason I'd imagine, there's 2 worth watching. 

    I'd also be a bit cautious on any Anderson gloating. He's a star and he was a lock to go to the Suns. It's a pretty easy bias to have when someone is out of contention to start to downplay them. 

    The difference between Anderson and Tom Green is that Tom Green was genuinely in play for us. And I reckon our recruiters would've loved to pick him, he was such a solid player. Jason Taylor seemed very sold on Jackson though.

    2019 draft is looking very good. The first round has a bunch of special players. The second round has quality and even the 3rd and 4th rounds have some interesting young players.

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    3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Wow that draft board is interesting. Would love to know where Rivers, Serong, Day, Georgiades and some others are. Sparkes and Baldi at Casey for a good reason I'd imagine, there's 2 worth watching. 

    I'd also be a bit cautious on any Anderson gloating. He's a star and he was a lock to go to the Suns. It's a pretty easy bias to have when someone is out of contention to start to downplay them. 

    The difference between Anderson and Tom Green is that Tom Green was genuinely in play for us. And I reckon our recruiters would've loved to pick him, he was such a solid player. Jason Taylor seemed very sold on Jackson though.

    2019 draft is looking very good. The first round has a bunch of special players. The second round has quality and even the 3rd and 4th rounds have some interesting young players.

    Not a knock on Anderson just doesn't offer a point of difference 

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    10 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Not a knock on Anderson just doesn't offer a point of difference 

    He lacks a point of difference or he wouldn't give us a point of difference? I reckon both of those aren't true. He can play inside, outside or forward and has a booming kick. I reckon his disposal can be a bit iffy but is definitely ok and I wonder if we thought he was benefitting a lot from Rowell getting the opposition attention. 

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    29 minutes ago, Demonland said:

     

    On points differential, we also get the equivalent of about pick 70, or a bonus Ham (Brayden). 

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    2019 was a fantastic effort by our recruiting team not only that they got it right but Jackson and Kossie were gutsy calls.  There were question marks over each but both have proven outstanding.

    And it's not only 2019, it's what JT has done in the last 4 years.  Games played is from a couple of weeks ago:

    This has been our drafting since 2017 with picks in the top 50:

    2020 Bowey P21 4
    2020 Laurie P22 0
    2020 Rosman P34 0
    2019 Jackson P3  27
    2019 Pickett P12 36
    2019 Rivers P32 31
    2018 Sparrow P27 20
    2018 Jordon P33 21
    2017 Spargo P29 56
    2017 Fritsch P31 82
    2017 Petty P35 27
    2017 Baker P48 13

     

    Nine of twelve picks are now regulars in the team.  Two are untried and one is probably a fail.  I reckon that's pretty incredible.  Of that group only Spargs played against WCE in 2018 final although Fritta played in the previous two finals.

    That's pretty amazing.

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    26 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

    2019 was a fantastic effort by our recruiting team not only that they got it right but Jackson and Kossie were gutsy calls.  There were question marks over each but both have proven outstanding.

    And it's not only 2019, it's what JT has done in the last 4 years.  Games played is from a couple of weeks ago:

    This has been our drafting since 2017 with picks in the top 50:

    2020 Bowey P21 4
    2020 Laurie P22 0
    2020 Rosman P34 0
    2019 Jackson P3  27
    2019 Pickett P12 36
    2019 Rivers P32 31
    2018 Sparrow P27 20
    2018 Jordon P33 21
    2017 Spargo P29 56
    2017 Fritsch P31 82
    2017 Petty P35 27
    2017 Baker P48 13

     

    Nine of twelve picks are now regulars in the team.  Two are untried and one is probably a fail.  I reckon that's pretty incredible.  Of that group only Spargs played against WCE in 2018 final although Fritta played in the previous two finals.

    That's pretty amazing.

    Pretty amazing. Only Baker a fail from that list. Obviously too early to tell for Laurie and Rosman.

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    Obviously Jackson, Pickett and Rivers are guns. That's the obvious one. However you could look at 2017 as being the more important one to our performance at the moment, especially considering that we traded out our first rounder for Lever and then nailed 3 picks in the 30s on Spargo, Fritsch and Petty, each of whom are deeply entrenched in the team. That's an extraordinary set of hits with picks that low.

    Often people look back at a draft and say "Yep, that's the one that made that team", like you look back to Geelong's 2001 draft as the reason why they were so good (Bartel, Kelly, Johnson, Ablett), or Hawthorn's 2004 draft (Buddy, Roughy, Lewis). The reality is that these teams had mulitple great drafts and the club's 'superdraft' was built on an equally impressive draft a few years earlier. In 1999, Geelong drafted Joel Corey, Paul Chapman, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright, whilst in 2001 Hawthorn drafted Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown and Rick Ladson. 

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    On 4/25/2021 at 12:21 AM, adonski said:

    For context - a screenshot during Hell & Back, difficult to read but Jackson listed at #2, with what appears to be Anderson #5

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    Think we've got great recruiters -  but jesus they got the doggies Bailey Smith wrong -  rank him 18th on this screen -  most people at the time thought dogs got a steal at pick 6.

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    34 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

    Obviously Jackson, Pickett and Rivers are guns. That's the obvious one. However you could look at 2017 as being the more important one to our performance at the moment, especially considering that we traded out our first rounder for Lever and then nailed 3 picks in the 30s on Spargo, Fritsch and Petty, each of whom are deeply entrenched in the team. That's an extraordinary set of hits with picks that low.

    Often people look back at a draft and say "Yep, that's the one that made that team", like you look back to Geelong's 2001 draft as the reason why they were so good (Bartel, Kelly, Johnson, Ablett), or Hawthorn's 2004 draft (Buddy, Roughy, Lewis). The reality is that these teams had mulitple great drafts and the club's 'superdraft' was built on an equally impressive draft a few years earlier. In 1999, Geelong drafted Joel Corey, Paul Chapman, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright, whilst in 2001 Hawthorn drafted Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown and Rick Ladson. 

    Continuing the theme where a club pushed itself up to the peak through a series of draft boosts; both Hawthorn (Rioli) and Geelong (Selwood) had that one last super pick right before their premiership breakthrough who played most of the season with real impact. Not sure Bowey quite counts as that for us but it is an interesting pattern.

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    12 minutes ago, Canplay said:

    Think we've got great recruiters -  but jesus they got the doggies Bailey Smith wrong -  rank him 18th on this screen -  most people at the time thought dogs got a steal at pick 6.

    I think that B. Smith is actually Brock Smith - yet to play a game after being taken at 33 by Brisbane. The B.Smith of fame and fortune was in the 2018 draft.

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    10 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Continuing the theme where a club pushed itself up to the peak through a series of draft boosts; both Hawthorn (Rioli) and Geelong (Selwood) had that one last super pick right before their premiership breakthrough who played most of the season with real impact. Not sure Bowey quite counts as that for us but it is an interesting pattern.

    I think it's more that they were able to selectively add talent when they had a chance but didn't have to add in bulk like they did in those drafts. We are also a little different in the core of our team was taken in the Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver drafts, which preceded this. We did it a little more slowly and methodically, rather than just smashing one draft out of the park as the article suggests. 2019 was just a bit of a free hit after an unexpected down year.

     

    17 minutes ago, Canplay said:

    Think we've got great recruiters -  but jesus they got the doggies Bailey Smith wrong -  rank him 18th on this screen -  most people at the time thought dogs got a steal at pick 6.

    Wrong B Smith. Bailey was the year before. (Snap @grazman!)

    Also the 5th player on the list definitely appears to be Deven Robertson rather than Noah Anderson. The height is after the name, and Anderson is taller than 185cm.

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    3 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

    I think it's more that they were able to selectively add talent when they had a chance but didn't have to add in bulk like they did in those drafts. We are also a little different in the core of our team was taken in the Petracca, Brayshaw, Oliver drafts, which preceded this. We did it a little more slowly and methodically, rather than just smashing one draft out of the park as the article suggests. 2019 was just a bit of a free hit after an unexpected down year.

     

    Wrong B Smith. Bailey was the year before. (Snap @grazman!)

    Also the 5th player on the list definitely appears to be Deven Robertson rather than Noah Anderson. The height is after the name, and Anderson is taller than 185cm.

    Noah Anderson was at 3 on our board, we have Dogga at 2. That's why we didn't kick a fuss when Gold Coast got a freebee at 2.

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    4 hours ago, Nelo said:

    Pretty amazing. Only Baker a fail from that list. Obviously too early to tell for Laurie and Rosman.

    Baker was also the lowest pick @ 48. Probably a speculative pick. I remember Jason Taylor was rapt to get Petty at 35 our next lowest pick.

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    4 hours ago, Nelo said:

    Pretty amazing. Only Baker a fail from that list. Obviously too early to tell for Laurie and Rosman.

    Reckon Laurie will be a mainstay in the side in the next couple of years, think ANB but a much better kick. Rosman could be anything.

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    I don't think Baker is a fail. You can't play everyone on your list. Baker and Weid will both get 2nd goes at another club after not being able to hold a spot in a near injury free season from the top team in the league.

     

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    On 9/6/2021 at 4:59 PM, cantstandyasam said:

    Reckon Laurie will be a mainstay in the side in the next couple of years, think ANB but a much better kick. Rosman could be anything.

    Possibly, probably, hopefully?
    But seriously Laurie and Rosman, given the absolute debacle of the VFL season, remain optimistic but unknown and unproven. 

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    On 9/6/2021 at 1:31 PM, Canplay said:

    Think we've got great recruiters -  but jesus they got the doggies Bailey Smith wrong -  rank him 18th on this screen -  most people at the time thought dogs got a steal at pick 6.

    Different B.Smith, that would be Brock Smith. Bailey Smith was in the 2019 Draft

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    Didn't see earlier post

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    On 4/24/2021 at 7:03 PM, DeeSpencer said:

    He lacks a point of difference or he wouldn't give us a point of difference? I reckon both of those aren't true. He can play inside, outside or forward and has a booming kick. I reckon his disposal can be a bit iffy but is definitely ok and I wonder if we thought he was benefitting a lot from Rowell getting the opposition attention. 

    I think the point was that there is no other player like Jackson. He is a nightmare match up for every other team.

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    On 9/6/2021 at 12:55 PM, Axis of Bob said:

    Obviously Jackson, Pickett and Rivers are guns. That's the obvious one. However you could look at 2017 as being the more important one to our performance at the moment, especially considering that we traded out our first rounder for Lever and then nailed 3 picks in the 30s on Spargo, Fritsch and Petty, each of whom are deeply entrenched in the team. That's an extraordinary set of hits with picks that low.

    Often people look back at a draft and say "Yep, that's the one that made that team", like you look back to Geelong's 2001 draft as the reason why they were so good (Bartel, Kelly, Johnson, Ablett), or Hawthorn's 2004 draft (Buddy, Roughy, Lewis). The reality is that these teams had mulitple great drafts and the club's 'superdraft' was built on an equally impressive draft a few years earlier. In 1999, Geelong drafted Joel Corey, Paul Chapman, Cameron Ling and Corey Enright, whilst in 2001 Hawthorn drafted Luke Hodge, Sam Mitchell, Campbell Brown and Rick Ladson. 

    Great point.

    The 2017-9 period has been first rate. Draft and trade. 

    But the 2013-5 of Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw, Salem, Hunt, Harmes, and ANB, is a lot of the fuel for 2021. 2 AA mids, a star HBF, and 4 excellent role players on all lines; with 4 of them in the leadership group.

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