Demons Defence Best Since 1965

[Tarax Club 3,958]

14 hours ago, bush demon said:

Gerry Gee, a suspicious character possibly a poison dwarf?

BD seems to be some confusion here with your recollection!  Gerry Gee was a force for good humoured  witticisms, spiced with  occasional mischievous banter.  One would never associate him with being malevolent.?

Edited April 21, 2021 by Tarax Club
Add the odd comma

[Demon17 5,202]

20 hours ago, Yung Blood said:

 

Moving Hunt back has given us a different look also. Our depth is also exceptional. As long as he plays within himself with his limited foot skills he'll be ok.

 

Agreed , but Hunt seems to be under different instructions now from his earlier days pre-2017 as a half back when he'd generally run and gun with a long , often ill directed kick.

Now he runs anytime, but then passes off directly to an opponent with well executed shoter, 30m , passes. I suspect he's been told no more long kicking or just doesn't need to anymore.

He has now come into his own, along with some gut running to become a link player outlet when needed.

[Demon17 5,202]

20 hours ago, durango said:

 

Late we lost Tony Anderson later and Brian Leahy.

The MFC defence never recovered fron these loss in 1965.

Tony Anderson was a gun defender and got tetanus from memory and was never the same after being out fror ages, although still pretty good.

[Demon17 5,202]

21 hours ago, Demonland said:

This thread is jinx proof. What could go wrong by posting this?

 

The final stat in this article is :
" Scores against per inside 50's conceded"  MFC result:  18.9 (1st in the Comp)

Can anyone explain what this means.  The higher the score the better it is apparently.  

18.9 goals

18.9 point

18 Goals 9 behinds??????

(Iv'e got a maths degeree but I wish some analysts/journalists would re-read what they write before hitting enter)

Thanks in anticipation

[ManDee 7,222]

19 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Agreed , but Hunt seems to be under different instructions now from his earlier days pre-2017 as a half back when he'd generally run and gun with a long , often ill directed kick.

Now he runs anytime, but then passes off directly to an opponent with well executed shoter, 30m , passes. I suspect he's been told no more long kicking or just doesn't need to anymore.

He has now come into his own, along with some gut running to become a link player outlet when needed.

I hope he doesn't "pass of directly to an opponent".

What is a well executed shoter?

[drdrake 3,187]

16 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

The final stat in this article is :
" Scores against per inside 50's conceded"  MFC result:  18.9 (1st in the Comp)

Can anyone explain what this means.  The higher the score the better it is apparently.  

18.9 goals

18.9 point

18 Goals 9 behinds??????

(Iv'e got a maths degeree but I wish some analysts/journalists would re-read what they write before hitting enter)

Thanks in anticipation

I think it is the percentage of inside 50m that result in a score so 100 entries they will score 19 times. 

[leave it to deever 17,517]

No doubt about it...

Its bigger and better than Trumpys walls.

No greater joy than seeing Hunt turn on the burners.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

Gone are the days of Omac fumbling (sorry Oscar) and Frosty kicking to an opponent.

Dr says my blood pressure is right back to normal.

 

[binman 43,755]

On 4/21/2021 at 12:12 PM, Demonland said:

This thread is jinx proof. What could go wrong by posting this?

 

It's great to see an article like that about the dees. And it's good that it includes some interesting stats.

But for me it really it really highlights the two key frustrations I have with with how football is covered by the media.

One, how little access fans get to decent stats and information about how the game is played. Champion data, which i think is part owned by the AFL, largely controls what is collected and disseminated. i think, but not sure the AFL generate their own data, which is what can be found on their website and that of all the clubs.

But the stats and data are drip fed out to the public, in dibs and drabs across different media platforms and more often than not  without any meaningful contextualization or explanation.  

A site like the excellent footywire has good data but again with little or no explanation of it meaning or the relative importance of particular stats, let alone accurate definitions of each data point/stat (most are self explanatory, but not all). Just raw data. Like the AFL site. 

And the clubs get their own set of data. Super important data becuase it informs the development of their KPIs and ability to measure how they are tracking against them. Voodoo stuff that drips even more slowly out to fans sites like Demonland. 

The second frustration is how little analysis there is of the data and stats that are drip fed out. The so called experts on shows like On The Couch and during calls of games are constantly giving little bites of data out. Sure the stats are interesting - but what do they mean? 

A classic and infuriating example is the pressure meter. In a call on the weekend Brian Taylor was talking about a team's (i forget which)  pressure meter being 1.95 and joked about having no idea what that actually meant or how it was defined. His 'expert' co commentators couldn't help him out. Anything over 2 is good he reckons. How [censored] embarrassing. And useless.

If paid professionals (he's probably on a million plus a year) and full time producers piping info direct into his ear have no clue about the data they are highlighting how are the fans supposed to understand it? How does it help fans understand the game?

In the article, the stats are fascinating but what iI want to know is the why, not just the what. 

To be fair there is some explanation - structure, forwards playing deeper, forward pressure, mids playing more selflessly, better all team defence etc. So that's a step up from most similar articles.  But still, it is a pretty shallow analysis and in reality just a list of possible explanations.  And it misses perhaps the two key, related drivers:

• The change in how we set up our stoppages (which can be seen in our reduced clearance differential) that mean that when we do lose a clearance any disposal is often under pressure and from the wrong side (for them) of the contest. This change to our set up, which i guess is alluded to in the idea of inside and outside rings, are also big factors in our much improved inside 50 scoring ratio as we are getting cleaner and more damaging inside 50s
• The importance to our game plan of intercept marks in our back half and rebounding from the back half and instigating scoring chains. This isn't new. After all it is why we go may and in particular Lever (and Rivers too for that matter). But our structures, much better all team defence and pressure - and in particular our changed stoppage structure has meant more kicks are coming inside our defensive 50 under pressure and therefore are easier to pick off. We saw that on Sunday. Once Petty got up to speed and the back six sorted themselves (and the defensive pressure improved from our mids and flankers) we started picking off their inside 50 kicks. And they basically stopped scoring.  

 The AFL love to copy elements of how sport in the US are promoted and covered (hello all year round media hogging announcements, g'day blaring quarter time music, kiss cams and fan activation).

But seem to ignore many of the best elements - for example how much data and stats are made available across all four major national sporting leagues (NHL, MLB,  NBL and NFL) and how much meaningful analysis there is of that data cross different media platforms.

The result is fans have the opportunity to understand the sport they love on much deeper level and a more 'stat literate' and knowledgeable fan base 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by binman

[rjay 25,086]

17 hours ago, bush demon said:

Gerry Gee, a suspicious character possibly a poison dwarf?

 

15 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

Let's leave jockeys out of this !!!!!

...and Irving Azoff.

[rjay 25,086]

9 minutes ago, binman said:

A classic and infuriating example is the pressure meter. In a call on the weekend Brian Taylor was talking about a team's (i forget which)  pressure meter being 1.95 and joked about having no idea what that actually meant or how it was defined. His expert co commentators couldn't help him out. Anything over 2 is good he reckons. How [censored] embarrassing. And useless.

If paid professionals (he's probably on a million plus a year) and full time producers piping info direct into his ear have no clue about the data they are highlighting how are the fans supposed to understand it? How does it help fans understand the game/

To be fair 'bin', Brian is still trying to get the players names right...I mean they only have big numbers on their backs and they all have a different gait and approach at the footy.

Once he sorts this out he will then move on to rules of the game, which he still really struggles with.

Then he's got anatomy...doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference between a twisted ankle and a head knock.

This of course doesn't stop him from giving medical opinions that the player in question should be back on soon.

So then 'bin' he can start to deal with strategy and stats...

[binman 43,755]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

To be fair 'bin', Brian is still trying to get the players names right...I mean they only have big numbers on their backs and they all have a different gait and approach at the footy.

Once he sorts this out he will then move on to rules of the game, which he still really struggles with.

Then he's got anatomy...doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference between a twisted ankle and a head knock.

This of course doesn't stop him from giving medical opinions that the player in question should be back on soon.

So then 'bin' he can start to deal with strategy and stats...

Would be funny if wasn't 100% accurate. 

Speaking of both his idiocy and diagnostic skills, in the pies Eagles game, de goey copped a hip to the face. Immediately came of the ground clearly dazed with blood pouring from his broken nose.

Brian says, no issue there with concussion. Just a broken nose. No dramas. They'll fix him up and he'll be right to go. WTF!

To the surprise of none except Taylor, de goey out for the game, and the next one, with concussion.

Sheesh.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Gone are the days of Omac fumbling (sorry Oscar) and Frosty kicking to an opponent.

 

 

Some people were having a fit that we lost those two players.   Can you believe that!

[hemingway 7,631]

Pressure, backing one another up, mobility and getting the balance between defence and attack have been key. They all have confidence in one another and are linking with the rest of the team.  The improvement of Lever, Tomlinson, Salem and Hunt and that powerhouse warrior May has been incredible. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

23 hours ago, tiers said:

In 1965, as reigning premiers, we started 8-0 thanks to a series of close victories. It all came to an end on Queen's Birthday Monday when we were smashed by St Kilda by 63 points at the MCG. Nothing but misery since.

It was the day made famous by Allan Jeans masterstroke of selection when he swapped Verdun Howell from FB to FF and Bob Murray from CHF to full back.

Murray went on the become a highly regarded full back whereas Howell was already a champion having lost to Bob Skilton in the 1959 Brownlow on countback (it was subsequently awarded to him when the Brownlow rules changed).

Very nice trip down the lane thanks Tiers.  Still plenty of grey matter left there.

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

On 4/21/2021 at 10:44 AM, tiers said:

In 1965, as reigning premiers, we started 8-0 thanks to a series of close victories. It all came to an end on Queen's Birthday Monday when we were smashed by St Kilda by 63 points at the MCG. Nothing but misery since.

It was the day made famous by Allan Jeans masterstroke of selection when he swapped Verdun Howell from FB to FF and Bob Murray from CHF to full back.

Murray went on the become a highly regarded full back whereas Howell was already a champion having lost to Bob Skilton in the 1959 Brownlow on countback (it was subsequently awarded to him when the Brownlow rules changed).

Although we were 8-0 the signs of our decline were evident before the St Kilda game. We won 4 games by under a goal and the only big win was against second last side Fitzroy. St Kilda exposed us and we never recovered. We only won a further 2 games again against Fitzroy and bottom side Hawthorn. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by John Crow Batty

[monoccular 17,573]

23 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

You must kill yourself Pineapple ? 

A sacrifice for the common good ? 

Should be done ritually in the centre circle of the MCG - maybe raised on a pitchfork?? Then we could borrow one of the Hawthorn President’s fiery  cauldrons from Crown Casino and complete  the ultimate exorcism. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,125]

1 minute ago, monoccular said:

Should be done ritually in the centre circle of the MCG - maybe raised on a pitchfork?? Then we could borrow one of the Hawthorn President’s fiery  cauldrons from Crown Casino and complete  the ultimate exorcism. 

Yes. Excellent idea. Far more intense than i had originally planned it!

[bush demon 2,062]

1 hour ago, John Crow Batty said:

Although we were 8-0 the signs of our decline were evident before the St Kilda game. We won 4 games by under a goal and the only big win was against second last side Fitzroy. St Kilda exposed us and we never recovered. We only won a further 2 games again against Fitzroy and bottom side Hawthorn. 

i think we smashed carlton the week before our fall. ironic, since it was the big match-off ronald dale v norm smith.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,878]

On 4/21/2021 at 12:54 PM, Yung Blood said:

We have the best backline in the comp. Both in player ability, talent and balance but also with the structures and schemes set up to assist the backline from midfielders and Max.

Best starting 6 currently

B:      Hibberd   May       Tomlinson

HB:   Salem      Lever     Hunt

Int: Hunt

Depth: Petty, Jetta, Lockhart, Daw, (and if not for injury Smith and Hore)

Rivers to me was the key missing link with his versatility and attack on the contest.

Settling Tomlinson into a one on one tall back to contest the second/best forward frees up Lever and even May at times. Plus excellent user of the ball.

Moving Hunt back has given us a different look also. Our depth is also exceptional. As long as he plays within himself with his limited foot skills he'll be ok.

The battle between Jetta and Hibberd for the last spot will keep both sharp I think. I'd throw Hunt in this as well in order to maintain consistency.

The other very worthy contributors to our backline are:

1. Max - his reading of the play and intercept marks are such an asset;

2. Angus Brayshaw - Although he's never going to be another Max, I've been similarly impressed with his ability to read the play and either mark or spoil to provide a bit of a chop-out for our defense in recent weeks.  Think he has stated that defender is actually his second position at the moment.

Edited April 22, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Demon17 5,202]

5 hours ago, ManDee said:

I hope he doesn't "pass of directly to an opponent".

What is a well executed shoter?

What a disaster of a post. Thanks.

 

meant to be short

[Demon17 5,202]

5 hours ago, drdrake said:

I think it is the percentage of inside 50m that result in a score so 100 entries they will score 19 times. 

Except the article had the same measure for Richmond who were 7th best, and a score of 7.9???

[drdrake 3,187]

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

Except the article had the same measure for Richmond who were 7th best, and a score of 7.9???

No idea

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

5 hours ago, binman said:

The second frustration is how little analysis there is of the data and stats that are drip fed out. The so called experts on shows like On The Couch and during calls of games are constantly giving little bites of data out. Sure the stats are interesting - but what do they mean? 

Just read your post... and then went and watched a bit of lat nights AFL360.

Leigh Montana - discussed that we had above 22 total intercepted marks per game... with the below caption. 

Now either Leigh is wrong, or I highly suspect the work experience kids inadvertently clicked the 'shift number 5' button as opposed to..I dunno, shift and number 1.

We're intercepting every 4th or 5th kick? Perhaps this is true??

The analysis of the data is not only 'lite' it's often incorrect, or at a minimum speaking of something else altogether.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

7 hours ago, monoccular said:

Should be done ritually in the centre circle of the MCG - maybe raised on a pitchfork?? Then we could borrow one of the Hawthorn President’s fiery  cauldrons from Crown Casino and complete  the ultimate exorcism. 

I' m just getting a bit nervous now. I've only owned up to causing the MFC to be s...house for 56 years. Is that a capital offence ????

Any chance for clemency? I'm almost up to 50 years MCC membership. I can't go yet !!