Stevienic23 1,185 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 That gender question has a lot more options on it these days 1
Fork 'em 7,052 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 07:47, Colin B. Flaubert said: I find it interesting that those who rattle on about snowflakes, cancel culture, and freedom of speech are the most thin skinned and defensive and have the largest persecution complex when something is mentioned that remotely and vaguely threatens their world view.? Novel idea I know, but perhaps those doubting @theacademic's motives could actually take the survey. Without biasing the results, it actually does give one the chance to outline one's beliefs about racism and whether it exists or not among football fans. ? Just a thought. Expand So who's rattling on about snowflakes etc??? Being thin skinned etc. I'll give you a hint ..... It's you. 3
Queanbeyan Demon 7,030 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 This is a really worthwhile area of study. Well done theacademic. 5
Guest Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 08:32, Fork 'em said: So who's rattling on about snowflakes etc??? Being thin skinned etc. I'll give you a hint ..... It's you. Expand Perhaps the choice of words you used about how I put forward my case isn’t how I would describe what I said, but I did use those terms. Well spotted. And your point is?
Fork 'em 7,052 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 08:37, Colin B. Flaubert said: Perhaps the choice of words you used about how I put forward my case isn’t how I would describe what I said, but I did use those terms. Well spotted. And your point is? Expand My point is that no-one said anything about any of that sheet but you. 3
Guest Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) On 08/06/2021 at 08:45, Fork 'em said: My point is that no-one said anything about any of that sheet but you. Expand So are you implying that because I am the only one who has raised this double standard so far, that it doesn’t exist here on Demonland or in any other part of society? Edited June 8, 2021 by Colin B. Flaubert
Rab D Nesbitt 8,964 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 Done. It's been a long time since I heard a racist comment at a game but I've noticed a little online.
daisycutter 30,021 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 07:55, Colin B. Flaubert said: I do have an ideology beyond snark and glib comments. Expand nothing snarky or glib about my comments, colin. your comment however was just lazy and playing identity politics, only compounded by your failure to accept it when called out. i thought i pointed it out yo you quite politely 4
Wrecker46 3,130 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 I took the survey in good faith. Unfortunately, most of my answers were limited to binary yes or no when I felt I had more to contribute. Then of course came my gender question and I had all sorts of options when it could have just been binary. 1 1 2
Guest Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 09:36, daisycutter said: nothing snarky or glib about my comments, colin. your comment however was just lazy and playing identity politics, only compounded by your failure to accept it when called out. i thought i pointed it out yo you quite politely Expand I thought I was an ideologue? Now, I’m dealing in identity politics. Make up your mind. You should change your name from Daisycutter to Pizzacutter. You’re all edge and no point.
daisycutter 30,021 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) On 08/06/2021 at 09:42, Colin B. Flaubert said: I thought I was an ideologue? Now, I’m dealing in identity politics. Make up your mind. You should change your name from Daisycutter to Pizzacutter. You’re all edge and no point. Expand very clever........but all you did is shift the goalposts i'll leave you to your delusions by the way, i didn't say you were a ideologue, just that your sweeping comment made you sound like an ideologue. hope that's not too subtle for you to grasp Edited June 8, 2021 by daisycutter 2 1
Guest Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 09:37, Wrecker46 said: I took the survey in good faith. Unfortunately, most of my answers were limited to binary yes or no when I felt I had more to contribute. Then of course came my gender question and I had all sorts of options when it could have just been binary. Expand LOL talk about a tonne of answers to choose from. And even after all those answers, you had the option to “describe yourself” if none of the answers were applicable.
bandicoot 1,395 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 07:31, faultydet said: That is the very first thing that crossed my mind when I read "academic at the University of South Australia" and "research on fans' views of racism in the AFL". Would expect the academic already has an end point in mind and is simply looking to fill the spaces in between. Took the survey anyway. Is not very in depth. In fact it seemed incredibly shallow. Of course their is racism. Is it a big problem in the AFL? Not now that Eddie McGuire has left the scene. The stuff he was allowed to get away with was astonishing. That is where the O.P should start with his survey. Expand ‘Of course there is racism’ what makes you say that?
Earl Hood 6,167 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 Survey done and good questions, not sure about the relevance of my answers. Racism is common I think but must admit I haven’t heard it for years at a game but then I have a reserved seat in our MFC area. Most of our fans are too busy abusing the umpires to worry about some swarthy types playing for the opposition. 1
monoccular 17,760 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 07/04/2021 at 02:33, jnrmac said: Are there any foregone conclusions you are trying to support? Expand Isn’t that the definition of hypothesis?
faultydet 7,623 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) On 08/06/2021 at 10:10, bandicoot said: ‘Of course there is racism’ what makes you say that? Expand The survey asks about racist comments from the crowd. Yes I've heard racist comments, including from indigenous people towards the "white dog". (Admittedly that was years ago now) I'd bet that in game racist comments are extremely rare now, as it would be immediately brought to people's attention or even recorded by the TV audio. But in the crowd, I'd say it still happens. From ALL race backgrounds. Edited June 8, 2021 by faultydet 1
CBDees 3,167 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 07/04/2021 at 02:33, jnrmac said: Are there any foregone conclusions you are trying to support? Expand Research Rule 1 start off with your ‘Conclusion’ Research Rule 2 make sure that you write a good ‘research question’ to support your ‘Conclusion’ Research Rule 3 assemble roughly 80,000 words of indecipherable tables, surveys, statistics and quotes from the ‘French philosophers’ and insert between your ‘Introduction’ (Research Question) and your ‘Conclusion’! ?? 1 5
TRIGON 4,821 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Survey done. On 08/06/2021 at 08:29, Stevienic23 said: That gender question has a lot more options on it these days Expand Which reminds me that it is possible to be gender-fluid and retain a dry sense of humour. Edited June 8, 2021 by TRIGON
Sydee 4,684 Posted June 8, 2021 Posted June 8, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 07:11, In Harmes Way said: Good luck with the findings @theacademic. Timely with Adam Goodes declining to be included in the Hall of Fame. Expand Yes I thought the same thing I understand why Goodes has problems with the way he was treated but I don't really understand his reasons for rejecting what appears to me to be clear recognition of his contribution and significance to the game Feels like we can never forget or forgive and move on and therefore racial tensions can never be resolved - rejecting the invitation may make a statement that your [censored] off but it doesn't seem to help with reconciliation and healing which has to start somewhere/sometime
Axis of Bob 11,945 Posted June 9, 2021 Posted June 9, 2021 I find it incredibly unfortunate that that a simple survey of football supporters' view undertaken for academic research is seen by some as so controversial. It's just a survey. It's hard to draw any conclusions on anything without decent data, and all views are welcomed because it gives a best chance of getting a snapshot of what is actually happening. 2 1
Vandenberger With The Lot 244 Posted June 9, 2021 Posted June 9, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 23:23, Sydee said: Yes I thought the same thing I understand why Goodes has problems with the way he was treated but I don't really understand his reasons for rejecting what appears to me to be clear recognition of his contribution and significance to the game Expand Having watched the documentary they did on his last season, I would say he doesn't want anything to do with the AFL. Fair enough On 08/06/2021 at 23:23, Sydee said: Feels like we can never forget or forgive and move on and therefore racial tensions can never be resolved - rejecting the invitation may make a statement that your [censored] off but it doesn't seem to help with reconciliation and healing which has to start somewhere/sometime Expand I don't think Adam Goodes owes anything to anyone. Last time he took a stand on racial issues, he spent the remainder of his career getting booed by crowds, and mocked by a club president. Why should he jump at the opportunity to 'help with reconciliation and healing' when he got burned so badly in the past 7
tincan 171 Posted June 9, 2021 Posted June 9, 2021 On 08/06/2021 at 08:29, Stevienic23 said: That gender question has a lot more options on it these days Expand That was the toughest question
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