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1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

In hindsight, not making finals last year is reason enough for SG to go.

He has been given a reprieve and I hope proves me so very wrong.

Bennell got the chop for sticking it up the club and costing them $$$ in the soft cap.

Goodwin wasted an entire year of the club's time and money, and of the playing group's careers.

(Arguably it's been than just one year)

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3 hours ago, RigidMiddleDigit said:

The old trick of misrepresenting what is written or said in order to cut down a straw man.

"do not rate" does not appear.

Actual quote " has knitted together a formidable unit".

You don’t rate Hardwick

Don’t sugarcoat it

Goodwin is way behind Hardwick 

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On 3/12/2021 at 4:59 PM, Little Goffy said:

Hardwick and Richmond with him was the No.1 target of AFL failure jokes by the end of 2016 and over the 2016-2017 preseason.  Daniel Prestia was considered bizarrely delusional when he offered the prospect of success as his reason for preferring Richmond as his new club.

Finished 13th, with 8 wins and a percentage of just 79, after making finals but never winning one for three years in a row.

They were cooked.  Just take a quick look at that season's afl.com predictions, as a light example.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/75478/crystal-ball-aflcomaus-2017-season-predictions

Richmond weren't even interesting.

Who knows, maybe Goodwin's secret weapon is a willingness to collaborate with top quality assistants and the 'team of coaches' model will become the new norm.  Certainly it will be better for all coachs' mental health.

Great post!   It's easy to forget this.  I remember hearing an interview with Balme when he joined at the end of the 2016 season.  There was speculations of a board challenge and they'd been woeful off field.  Everyone wanted to get rid of hardwick and he somehow survived the review.  When Balme said he thought Richmond were very close (like Geelong were before they won flags) he got laughed out of the interview.

It's amazing how quickly things can change!

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On 3/12/2021 at 4:59 PM, Little Goffy said:

Daniel Prestia was considered bizarrely delusional when he offered the prospect of success as his reason for preferring Richmond as his new club.

Dom?

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On 3/12/2021 at 4:06 PM, praha said:

 

Goodwin (and most coaches) has many of these traits but lacks many. Suggesting he is even close to Hardwick at this point is utter insanity. Hardwick in the corporate world would be VP level without even lifting a finger. He gets buy in at a ridiculously high rate and that's why Richmond plays arguably the best "team" game in the league. 

 

Good one. Hardwick would be sacked in the corporate world (then hired with a promotion elsewhere).

But yes he's always been a strong character and leader. The Sheedy era Essendon bravado, but it wasn't all there going in to 2017.

I'd argue the real Simon Goodwin is a lot more passionate than the one who does press conferences and even appears in the club media. The Paul Roos 'say nothing' press conferenced just don't work for Goody, he doesn't have the charisma. Roos can talk in circles and get the benefit of the doubt, Goody just gets tied in knots.

I've said since 2019 that we'll know if Goodwin has any chance of saving his job when he's relaxed and truly honest in press conferences. Personally I think the club has set him up to fail with list management, assistant coaches and footy administration but he's still some chance to save his job and go on to success. For that to happen he has get all the players and assistants following him. Apart from early season wins the big thing he needs is conviction. When he took over the job he believed in his plan and rode it to finals.

 

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1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

 

One of them, for sure. But definitely not Daniel.

Haha...Jesus. Maybe it's Darryl.

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Good coaches are like kids with the old wind up toys.  They test the toy with a few turns of they key and when confident,  turn the key as far as possible without breaking it and let it go. 

Goodwin took his new toy with both hands but turned the key too hard too early and busted the toy. It will only turn half way now and can’t be fixed. There are times when the toy runs better than expected but mostly the monkey stops banging the cymbals together after a very short time.

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1 hour ago, ProperDee said:

Good coaches are like kids with the old wind up toys.  They test the toy with a few turns of they key and when confident,  turn the key as far as possible without breaking it and let it go. 

Goodwin took his new toy with both hands but turned the key too hard too early and busted the toy. It will only turn half way now and can’t be fixed. There are times when the toy runs better than expected but mostly the monkey stops banging the cymbals together after a very short time. 

Lovely imagry PD that describes his situation to a T

And Goody cant work out what's busted so just keeps running it with the same result over and over again!

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15 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Good one. Hardwick would be sacked in the corporate world (then hired with a promotion elsewhere).

But yes he's always been a strong character and leader. The Sheedy era Essendon bravado, but it wasn't all there going in to 2017.

I'd argue the real Simon Goodwin is a lot more passionate than the one who does press conferences and even appears in the club media. The Paul Roos 'say nothing' press conferenced just don't work for Goody, he doesn't have the charisma. Roos can talk in circles and get the benefit of the doubt, Goody just gets tied in knots.

I've said since 2019 that we'll know if Goodwin has any chance of saving his job when he's relaxed and truly honest in press conferences. Personally I think the club has set him up to fail with list management, assistant coaches and footy administration but he's still some chance to save his job and go on to success. For that to happen he has get all the players and assistants following him. Apart from early season wins the big thing he needs is conviction. When he took over the job he believed in his plan and rode it to finals.

 

I would argue if you are not being real,  you are being fake. Show some passion ffs Simon.  Has he ever tried being honest at a post game presser? Not sure he has as yet!   Anything negative seems to be either "learnings" or " fugazi" depending on how whether the "noise" is coming directly at him from reporters or the general media.

Some honesty would be so refreshing. He talks of a disconnect quite often when it comes to his team, i think it starts from the coaches mouth, what he says often disconnects the supporters and so often he is just repeating the same BS. He needs to get much better at the whole caper.

 

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Against coaches who were in the job for the entire 4 years so far, Goodwin is

0-5 vs Hardwick

1-5 vs Scott

1-4 vs Longmire

2-4 vs Simpson

2-4 vs Buckley

2-3 vs Hinkley

2-2 vs Fagan

2-2 vs Cameron

3-2 vs Clarkson

3-2 vs Beveridge

3-1 vs Worsfold

5-0 vs Dew

 

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