On 09/03/2021 at 06:31, Sir Why You Little said:

You haven’t been reading the responses by the wider Community in Melbourne. 
The venue was severely frowned upon. 
 

I have been a Member of the MCC since 1982, back then The MCC Reserve was Men Only 

I thought it was great, but it wouldn’t survive today. The pendulum has swung, as i said before, whether you or i like it Faulty. 
The AFLW has seen to that. (I don’t watch it, but the younger generation does)

You and I may think it is an overreaction, but that is irrelevant 

We have to play the game, if we want some new elite Training Facilities 

Also helps that it is the right thing to do!

  On 09/03/2021 at 07:18, old dee said:

Also helps that it is the right thing to do!

it's all BS, od

the melbourne club male-only rules is BS

the reaction to the coterie club booking is also all BS

it's all BS about being outraged over political correctness and the misguided power of social media by a noisy minority seeking significance and craving attention

you can participate in the BS or ignore the BS but it's still BS

beware of what a society you wish for.....we are headed for idiocracy

  On 09/03/2021 at 08:51, daisycutter said:

it's all BS, od

the melbourne club male-only rules is BS

the reaction to the coterie club booking is also all BS

it's all BS about being outraged over political correctness and the misguided power of social media by a noisy minority seeking significance and craving attention

you can participate in the BS or ignore the BS but it's still BS

beware of what a society you wish for.....we are headed for idiocracy

I think we’re already there DC. 

  On 09/03/2021 at 08:51, daisycutter said:

it's all BS, od

the melbourne club male-only rules is BS

the reaction to the coterie club booking is also all BS

it's all BS about being outraged over political correctness and the misguided power of social media by a noisy minority seeking significance and craving attention

you can participate in the BS or ignore the BS but it's still BS

beware of what a society you wish for.....we are headed for idiocracy

The USA is already there DC.

  On 09/03/2021 at 09:00, old dee said:

The USA is already there DC.

to you and et.......it can get a lot, lot worse, but at least you and i will miss the worst

must re-read 1984, it's been a long time since i read it

Is this the only thing we have to worry about in 2021?? 

I used to be upset about men only clubs, women only clubs, women only gyms, but I got over it. 

Who bloody well cares for goodness sake??? 

  On 09/03/2021 at 07:18, old dee said:

Also helps that it is the right thing to do!

Careful, you don't want to be labelled a virtue signalling, snowflake, woke, leftard

  On 09/03/2021 at 02:27, faultydet said:

The majority of "consumers" want woke-leftism politics to keep the hell away from sport. It is the tiny minority of loud mouthed virtue signallers who demand every organisation kowtow to their leftardism who make this an issue when it is not.

Like I said, it's nothing more than pissweak pandering, but you guys can celebrate your victory. Good for you. ?

I don’t want my footy club or its supporter groups hosting functions at a men’s only members club.  

It’s the year 2021. What you call virtue signalling is simply people trying to do better. We know better, so let’s do better. 

 

  On 09/03/2021 at 09:15, daisycutter said:

must re-read 1984, it's been a long time since i read it

Clearly.

  On 09/03/2021 at 10:35, Little Goffy said:

Clearly.

oh.....you don't see where cancel-culture is headed?

  On 09/03/2021 at 10:35, deegirl said:

I don’t want my footy club or its supporter groups hosting functions at a men’s only members club.  

It’s the year 2021. What you call virtue signalling is simply people trying to do better. We know better, so let’s do better. 

 

This in a nutshell is why it was it was silly for Bartlett and pert to agree to speaking.

And why it was right thing to do to encourage the group to find another venue and remain on the bill, so to speak.

And leaving aside being the right thing, it is good business.

A great irony of the thrust of the complaints against such a decision ( ie that they are driven by a so called woke minority with an outsized, social media driven, influence and threat of being 'cancelled') is that in reality they are often cold hard, business decisions. 

The bottom line is misogyny is bad for business. 

Like the dr Seuss palaver. What a nonsense all the woke cancel palaver is. The dr Seuss foundation made a business decision to no longer publish six of their 100 odd books because they were racist. Six that didn't sell i might add.

That's not cancel culture. It is the opposite. It is a business choosing to respond to the market. A business decision. The right one, but a business decision nonetheless. 

A decision that is made in the context of a changing culture, where casual racism is not acceptable, not some woke  minority but to the majority. They didn't do it 20 years ago - when it would have hurt sales. 

"I can't believe the woke 'cancel cultured' my ability to keep slaves, imprison homosexuals and beat women!"

- All the triggered snowflakes in this thread probably.

 

What next........we’ll recognise Gingers as people and let them vote?? 

Whether you disagree or not Bartlett should of known that certain areas of the press and public would react to this decision. It’s all about marketing and this looks bad, plain and simple.

  On 09/03/2021 at 08:51, daisycutter said:

beware of what a society you wish for.....we are headed for idiocracy

 

  On 09/03/2021 at 08:55, Ethan Tremblay said:

I think we’re already there DC. 

That is for sure.

  On 09/03/2021 at 08:51, daisycutter said:

it's all BS, od

the melbourne club male-only rules is BS

the reaction to the coterie club booking is also all BS

it's all BS about being outraged over political correctness and the misguided power of social media by a noisy minority seeking significance and craving attention

you can participate in the BS or ignore the BS but it's still BS

beware of what a society you wish for.....we are headed for idiocracy

Well, the very people who hold power, and whom  we are hoping will give us $$$ and support to get a home base. Complete imbeciles.

where did the season launch get held - did it go ahead at the AC?

I could not find out what happened.

Did Bartlett take on board the feedback?

  On 06/03/2021 at 11:57, Queanbeyan Demon said:

We are no different to the racists at Collingwood or the exposed culture of entrenched sexism and misogyny on Capital Hill. Much of society, and by extension, the MFC, is completely blind, and contributing to, the normalisation of the abuse of women. This subtle but pervasive structurally embedded sexism is the personification of male power and control, which of course, is the root cause of gender inequality that manifests as domestic violence, rape, sexual exploitation, unequal pay and a plethora of other abuses. We are all implicated when we allow other people to be mistreated and patriarchal symbols such as the Australian Club are used to raise funds for our beloved club. 

you are spot on QBD

it is subtle this gender stuff - my sisters didn't have the chance to play AFL like I did cos I was a male.

there is one eg of gender imbalance that we are only in the past 5 years fixing up.

got to be an inclusive club not exclusive - the MFC was seen as an elite place and we saw how that has not served us for 55 years.

our club has made some terrific changes I'm saddened by this move.

I should be able to attend any gender function or cultural gathering so long as, I respect and act according to the cultural and basic social norms of that group.

In an all female group, if I acted without male dominant, masculine behaviour, should I not be accepted and welcomed?

In an all male group, if I acted without female dominant, feminine behaviour, should I not be accepted and welcome?

Religious identity, political and racial groups should be the same.

If I am able to act within the norms of a group should I not be accepted and welcome?

Down with all barriers, have all the doors passable.

If I am an inflexible, non empathetic and unable to walk in the shoes of my fellow human beings, refuse entry. Though difficult to tell from first appearances. Let them in anyway. Why the segregation.

Though I really doubt whether such people really exist. Usually they are acting antagonistic.

Respect, the other. If you are a socialist at a meeting of capitalist. Can you not see the others point of view, act appropriately and probably walk away wiser (Visa-a-versa apply's).

Humans are adaptable within social situations, if we drop our ego down a bit, not rock the boat, perhaps we can all get along.

Perhaps they should have direction and expectations of how to act available.

A belief for a night or for a lifetime.  

I want to live the utopian dream and not in my private Idaho.

Tell him he is dreaming.

Half flank once told me,  The Melbourne Doves. All white guernsey and cheery theme song.

We will all be sitting with the Collingwood cheer squad singing 'kum ba ya", together, in a few decades.

 

Edited March 14, 20214 yr by kev martin

  On 14/03/2021 at 11:29, Anti-Saint said:

you are spot on QBD

it is subtle this gender stuff - my sisters didn't have the chance to play AFL like I did cos I was a male.

there is one eg of gender imbalance that we are only in the past 5 years fixing up.

got to be an inclusive club not exclusive - the MFC was seen as an elite place and we saw how that has not served us for 55 years.

our club has made some terrific changes I'm saddened by this move.

Are you going to try and get into some of those inner suburban baths that are closed off to allow Muslim only females to use them?

  On 09/03/2021 at 06:31, Sir Why You Little said:

You haven’t been reading the responses by the wider Community in Melbourne. 
The venue was severely frowned upon. 
 

I have been a Member of the MCC since 1982, back then The MCC Reserve was Men Only 

I thought it was great, but it wouldn’t survive today. The pendulum has swung, as i said before, whether you or i like it Faulty. 
The AFLW has seen to that. (I don’t watch it, but the younger generation does)

You and I may think it is an overreaction, but that is irrelevant 

We have to play the game, if we want some new elite Training Facilities 

Yeah, fair enough.

So after reading 10 pages of discussion I am no closer to understanding whether anyone is attending and can provide any insight into our plans re facilities, membership, and coaches views on the list and our prospects for the year.