1991 Melbourne Versus North Melbourne

[In Harmes Way 7,783]

20 hours ago, nosoupforme said:

Darren Bennett having a shot at goal on the Gee inside the square many times at least 65 metres out  and the ball would travel into the crowd. At times well over the posts. The city end was his favourite end. He was a straight kick from a long  way out . Many of the games l have watched from the wings over the decades. 

Jackovich"s inclusion in the side pushed Bennett out to CHF and struggled to have same effect . Yep dieter is on the money there.

 

He was much better from further out than he was from inside 25m. I always hoped he'd go back 35m a la BBB when he took a mark close to goal and kick it from 50.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,222]

4 hours ago, dieter said:

He was: in 1991 he kicked 25 goals in six games, then, like a shooting star, fell to earth and disintegrated.

14 goals in his first 2 games (7 each against the Pies and North) then 11 for the other 4?

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

Darren Bennett kicked 87 goals in 1990.

Thats the most by a Melbourne player since Fred Fanning in 1947 and the third highest ever in a season for a Melbourne player.

Great season by Bennett, but an indictment on the 100+ year history of the club also.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Pickett2Jackson

[durango 2,007]

The last 2 years the top goalkicker got 22 and that is one of the reasons we have been poor in 2019 and 2020.

If Ben Brown can emulate players like Fanning and Bennett in the next season then we will play finals and maybe if the team remain injury free we may get the ultimate prize?

[dieter 3,325]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

14 goals in his first 2 games (7 each against the Pies and North) then 11 for the other 4?

No, he played two games before he kicked his bags. You can look it up on Demonwicki - Season 1991.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,842]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

14 goals in his first 2 games (7 each against the Pies and North) then 11 for the other 4?

After those two bags of 7 goals, he was very disappointing the following week against Brisbane - could only manage 5 sausages!

I think he debuted a few weeks earlier (Vs Fitzroy at Princes Park) before he went nuts against Collingwood and North. 

Kicked 5 goals in his first 3 games.

[dpositive 1,665]

1 hour ago, durango said:

The last 2 years the top goalkicker got 22 and that is one of the reasons we have been poor in 2019 and 2020.

If Ben Brown can emulate players like Fanning and Bennett in the next season then we will play finals and maybe if the team remain injury free we may get the ultimate prize?

There should be a team aim for Ben Brown to kick the ton.

[Dame Gaga 2,453]

I'll be happy if the Big Ben kicks the winning goal every week. Quality not quantity! ?

[nosoupforme 3,085]

6 hours ago, dieter said:

He was: in 1991 he kicked 25 goals in six games, then, like a shooting star, fell to earth and disintegrated.

I remember Darren Cuthbertson well  Waverley against Collingwood played on Dennis Banks a fair player  as Cuthbertson kicked 7 goals, Always good to beat the Pies. The previous week  he managed 7 against North.

  and 5 against Brisbane. 19 goals in three games      Played 29 games . 

Had something there but was short lived.

Went back to Epping and played in a couple of Premierships.  What a waste of talent.

Edited December 14, 2020 by nosoupforme

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

5 hours ago, picket fence said:

Since 64 Never has and to date ....... don't look likely to either, Just look at our abysmal games against Freo and Sydney when it counted this year. And I could go on and onn and onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Mentally very fragile!

We all witnessed it PF

 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,222]

On 12/13/2020 at 2:47 PM, Cranky Franky said:

Agree with most of this but calling Darren Bennett "phenomenal" is way over the top.

Coleman was phenomenal ditto Ablett, Jackovich briefly & probably Jurrah for a millisecond. Bennett was very good on his day & sometime spectacular but nowhere near phenomenal.

 

 

The LA (nee San Diego) Chargers would disagree with you, he is in their Hall of Fame.

On 12/13/2020 at 6:41 PM, nosoupforme said:

Darren Bennett having a shot at goal on the Gee inside the square many times at least 65 metres out  and the ball would travel into the crowd. At times well over the posts. The city end was his favourite end. He was a straight kick from a long  way out . Many of the games l have watched from the wings over the decades. 

Jackovich"s inclusion in the side pushed Bennett out to CHF and struggled to have same effect . Yep dieter is on the money there.

 

They had one game together in 91 where they kicked 15 between them from memory (Jakovich 8, Bennett 7) against Sydney at the SCG. Would've been great if they figured out how to work together.

Jakovich, Bennett, Cuthbertson all had periods during 91 plus Rocket Owen as well I think. A team loaded with X factor but far too inconsistent.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Dr. Gonzo

[dieter 3,325]

5 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Darren Bennett kicked 87 goals in 1990.

Thats the most by a Melbourne player since Fred Fanning in 1947 and the third highest ever in a season for a Melbourne player.

Great season by Bennett, but an indictment on the 100+ year history of the club also.

Indictment? How many clubs landed a Coleman, Lockett, Dunstall, Longmire etc? 

It's the luck of the draw. Melbourne won premierships in 1955, 56, 57, 59, 60 and 64 without one major goalkicker. Look at the past 10 premierships, name one that had a high scoring Full-forward.

[Pickett2Jackson 3,904]

33 minutes ago, dieter said:

Indictment? How many clubs landed a Coleman, Lockett, Dunstall, Longmire etc? 

 

 

To answer your question  -  almost all of them.

Heres how many clubs have had century goalkickers -

Adelaide
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fitzroy
Footscray  (Westen Bulldogs)
Geelong
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Richmond
South Melbourne
St. Kilda
Sydney
West Coast

 

Most of those clubs have had 100 goalkickers on multiple occasions, some have done it many times  (Hawthorn 12 times for example, vs Melbournes zero times).

 Our record is abysmal and yes, being around for 120 years with such a  lack of goalkicking talent (and talent in general) to come though is an indictment on the club and a stain on its history.

Edited December 14, 2020 by Pickett2Jackson

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,851]

Beeeeeeeeneeeeeeeeeeeeeeett!

[Demon trucker 1,800]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:34 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

To answer your question  -  almost all of them.

Heres how many clubs have had century goalkickers -

Adelaide
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fitzroy
Footscray  (Westen Bulldogs)
Geelong
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Richmond
South Melbourne
St. Kilda
Sydney
West Coast

 

Most of those clubs have had 100 goalkickers on multiple occasions, some have done it many times  (Hawthorn 12 times for example, vs Melbournes zero times).

 Our record is abysmal and yes, being around for 120 years with such a  lack of goalkicking talent (and talent in general) to come though is an indictment on the club and a stain on its history.

It's not a indictment of the dees history, up until the 70's, 100 + goal kicking seasons was very rare, not a indictment on our whole history just the last 50 years.

[dieter 3,325]

On 12/14/2020 at 9:34 PM, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

To answer your question  -  almost all of them.

Heres how many clubs have had century goalkickers -

Adelaide
Carlton
Collingwood
Essendon
Fitzroy
Footscray  (Westen Bulldogs)
Geelong
Hawthorn
North Melbourne
Richmond
South Melbourne
St. Kilda
Sydney
West Coast

 

Most of those clubs have had 100 goalkickers on multiple occasions, some have done it many times  (Hawthorn 12 times for example, vs Melbournes zero times).

 Our record is abysmal and yes, being around for 120 years with such a  lack of goalkicking talent (and talent in general) to come though is an indictment on the club and a stain on its history.

As usual, quite a scientific analysis of the MFC. Not!.

In the period 1954 - 1964 when MFC won 6 Flags, played in 2 losing grand finals, here is the list of the leading goalkickers:

1954: Noel Clarke              51 ( Grand Final loss after finishing last the year before. )

1955: Stu Spencer             34

1956: R. Johnson              43

1957: A. WEbb                   56

1958: Barassi, Webb        44

1959: Barassi                    46

1960: Ian Ridley               38

1961: R.Johnson             36

1962: Mithen                    37

1963: B.Bourke                48

1964: J. Townsend          35.

The Coleman Medal winners for this period:

Jack Collins	1954	Footscray	73
Noel Rayson	1955	Geelong	77
Bill Young	1956	St Kilda	56
Jack Collins (2)	1957	Footscray	74
Ian Brewer	1958	Collingwood	67
Ron Evans	1959	Essendon	69
Ron Evans (2)	1960	Essendon	67
Tom Carroll	1961	Carlton	54
Doug Wade	1962	Geelong	62
John Peck	1963	Hawthorn	69
John Peck (2)	1964	Hawthorn	68

 

 

For the record, only two teams won the Flag and the Coleman simultaneously: Footscray, 1954. Collingwood 1958. 

Collins kicked 73 goals for the Dogs, Brewer kicked 67 for the E Coli Wobblers. 

Also, as you can see for that 10 year period, the closest to 100 was Rayson with 77.

So, I put it to you, Mister whoever you choose to call yourself these days, having 100 plus a year goalkickers in the overall scheme isn't a symptom of anything much at all. There are always contexts.

I also put it to you that Lockett, Dunstall, Hudson, Quinlan, Ablett, Taylor, Roach, Wade, McKenna and Franklin were/are freaks. 

Also, from the period 1968 until now only five teams have won the flag when their F/F kicked over 100;

1971: Hudson, Hawthorn.

1980:Roach, Richmond

1988: Dunstall, Hawthorn

1989: Ditto

2008: Franklin, Hawthorn.

It would therefore seem, that it's mainly been Hawthorn since 1968 who have actually benefited from having guns kicking their goals.

They've also won many other flags, especially the most recent ones, without the Cohuna Goalkicker.

Edited December 16, 2020 by dieter

[Queanbeyan Demon 6,851]

2 hours ago, dieter said:

As usual, quite a scientific analysis of the MFC. Not!.

In the period 1954 - 1964 when MFC won 6 Flags, played in 2 losing grand finals, here is the list of the leading goalkickers:

1954: Noel Clarke              51 ( Grand Final loss after finishing last the year before. )

1955: Stu Spencer             34

1956: R. Johnson              43

1957: A. WEbb                   56

1958: Barassi, Webb        44

1959: Barassi                    46

1960: Ian Ridley               38

1961: R.Johnson             36

1962: Mithen                    37

1963: B.Bourke                48

1964: J. Townsend          35.

The Coleman Medal winners for this period:

Jack Collins	1954	Footscray	73
Noel Rayson	1955	Geelong	77
Bill Young	1956	St Kilda	56
Jack Collins (2)	1957	Footscray	74
Ian Brewer	1958	Collingwood	67
Ron Evans	1959	Essendon	69
Ron Evans (2)	1960	Essendon	67
Tom Carroll	1961	Carlton	54
Doug Wade	1962	Geelong	62
John Peck	1963	Hawthorn	69
John Peck (2)	1964	Hawthorn	68

 

 

For the record, only two teams won the Flag and the Coleman simultaneously: Footscray, 1954. Collingwood 1958. 

Collins kicked 73 goals for the Dogs, Brewer kicked 67 for the E Coli Wobblers. 

Also, as you can see for that 10 year period, the closest to 100 was Rayson with 77.

So, I put it to you, Mister whoever you choose to call yourself these days, having 100 plus a year goalkickers in the overall scheme isn't a symptom of anything much at all. There are always contexts.

I also put it to you that Lockett, Dunstall, Hudson, Quinlan, Ablett, Taylor, Roach, Wade, McKenna and Franklin were/are freaks. 

Also, from the period 1968 until now only five teams have won the flag when their F/F kicked over 100;

1971: Hudson, Hawthorn.

1980:Roach, Richmond

1988: Dunstall, Hawthorn

1989: Ditto

2008: Franklin, Hawthorn.

It would therefore seem, that it's mainly been Hawthorn since 1968 who have actually benefited from having guns kicking their goals.

They've also won many other flags, especially the most recent ones, without the Cohuna Goalkicker.

Brilliant. Beat me to it by a couple of hours. Also saved me an hours worth of work. In fact I'd go so far as to say the last thing Melb want is for BBB to kick 100 goals in 2021. Almost guarantees we won't play in a granny, let alone win a flag. 

Edited December 16, 2020 by Queanbeyan Demon
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[hemingway 7,627]

I wonder if one day we can have a discussion or debate without references to how hopeless, fragile, weak, pathetic our club was or still is. 

By the way, great work Dieter. It’s amazing how our memories and opinions are not always backed up by the Stats. Truth and our so called facts are clouded by our own memories and filters. 

My memory is that Darren Bennett was an inconsistent and problematic player. He did not seem to suit the team structure or the team structure did not suit him. 

But blow me down, he kicked 87 goals in a season. Amazing. 

[dieter 3,325]

11 hours ago, hemingway said:

I wonder if one day we can have a discussion or debate without references to how hopeless, fragile, weak, pathetic our club was or still is. 

By the way, great work Dieter. It’s amazing how our memories and opinions are not always backed up by the Stats. Truth and our so called facts are clouded by our own memories and filters. 

My memory is that Darren Bennett was an inconsistent and problematic player. He did not seem to suit the team structure or the team structure did not suit him. 

But blow me down, he kicked 87 goals in a season. Amazing. 

His suitability and 'structural' problems set in when Mister Jacovich arrived. It meant they couldn't play Bennet at Full Forward.

[hemingway 7,627]

41 minutes ago, dieter said:

His suitability and 'structural' problems set in when Mister Jacovich arrived. It meant they couldn't play Bennet at Full Forward.

From memory his knee did not help and he was slow on the ground, lacking agility. But a good overhead mark and great kick. One of the longest I have ever seen kicking for goal. Incredible follow through. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

12 hours ago, hemingway said:

I wonder if one day we can have a discussion or debate without references to how hopeless, fragile, weak, pathetic our club was or still is. 

By the way, great work Dieter. It’s amazing how our memories and opinions are not always backed up by the Stats. Truth and our so called facts are clouded by our own memories and filters. 

My memory is that Darren Bennett was an inconsistent and problematic player. He did not seem to suit the team structure or the team structure did not suit him. 

But blow me down, he kicked 87 goals in a season. Amazing. 

Played a great game here 

Was always underrated in my view 

 

[radar 1,865]

Bennett’s AFL career may have disintegrated but did ok in American Football. Won many awards. 
Never forget Billy’s final Q at Windy Hill about 1990

[H_T 3,047]

91’ team was a good team, speaking to past players the consensus was that 1990 was the year they felt got away in terms of the Premiership. 
This was a great game for Demon fans and one the league took great notice of one A.Jakovich. Undoubtedly his best game for the Dees.

[Earl Hood 6,086]

On 12/17/2020 at 10:29 AM, dieter said:

His suitability and 'structural' problems set in when Mister Jacovich arrived. It meant they couldn't play Bennet at Full Forward.

Exactly. Poor Bennet was forced out to CHF and never was the same again. He wasn’t mobile enough nor a great overhead mark. Given he could kick goals from 60 m you would think it would have worked, if only he could get the ball. 

[BillyBeane 253]

On 12/17/2020 at 11:34 AM, Sir Why You Little said:

Played a great game here 

Was always underrated in my view 

 

How about these interest rates!