2 hours ago, sue said:

Surely you know it is a put-down for a well-off person who is a socialist. Whereas if a poorer person is a socialist he is just full of envy.  They've got you either way.

Spot on. This is the type of language people revert to when they find themselves unable  to engage with the actual issues.

Could best be described as playing the man (or woman) and not the ball.

Edited December 5, 20205 yr by Cheesy D. Pun

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

Yes, yes, more white fella chest beating

No, they do not broadcast it. 

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’ll remember him as a failed recruit who we didn’t mentally screen properly who promptly invented concussions to get a retirement pay out. 
 

He was the AFLs first multicultural ambassador and lauded by the Prime Minister. 
 

No doubt he was the victim of things at Collingwood and the media turned on him but geez he was keen to play the martyr. 
 

The mainstream footy media do like doing the league and big clubs bidding for them but not nearly as much as left wing journos love a sob story. He’s a footballer who took too many magic mushrooms, he isn’t actually Patrice Lumumba.

That's a big statement to say he faked concussion, by saying that U don't believe anything he says about anything.

4 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

No, they do not broadcast it. 

...doesn't that make you ask yourself why?

33 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Agree 100%. The Muir story was mostly terrific & his background was sad & tragic & he was let down by the AFL & by footy clubs but it skips over & ignores any blame Muir himself had in the matter.

I watched Muir belt players left, right & centre including direct opponents & players a long way off the ball. He was genuinely scary & did serious damage.

 

So did Leigh Matthews and lots of others: it was 'part of the game' at that time. Has anyone asked Matthews to account for his behind play attacks on Giles, Smith and Bruns???????

2 minutes ago, don't make me angry said:

That's a big statement to say he faked concussion, by saying that U don't believe anything he says about anything.

Pretty much. He won't be the first or the last. Only have to watch the cricket last night for the Indian's to create a concussion when convenient. 

5 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

...doesn't that make you ask yourself why?

I have spoken with them personally about it and witnesed one of their children giving his time to African youth here in melbourne and have the photos to prove it.

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Pretty much. He won't be the first or the last. Only have to watch the cricket last night for the Indian's to create a concussion when convenient. 

Big difference for a temporary concussion then a career ending, he would have to provide some sort of prove , of ongoing systems, still you say that because you are a racist hiding in word's.

32 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

I have spoken with them personally about it and witnesed one of their children giving his time to African youth here in melbourne and have the photos to prove it.

I apologise as I misinterpreted the context of your post - thought this was a generalisation about white people, not specifically the McGuire family.

51 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

No, they do not broadcast it. 

Ok

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Pretty much. He won't be the first or the last. Only have to watch the cricket last night for the Indian's to create a concussion when convenient. 

It's make a nice Business Card: Concussions Created.

23 minutes ago, dieter said:

It's make a nice Business Card: Concussions Created.

Goes well with all natural insecticide. 

3 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Nope

You’d never understand

Try me. I’m an understanding and open-minded individual.

 

4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

eddie, his wife and collingwood do a lot of work with Indigenous australians.

Good for them, but it doesn't give them a free hit.

If what you say is right then Eddie should know & be better...

Edited December 5, 20205 yr by rjay

12 minutes ago, rjay said:

Good for them, but it doesn't give them a free hit.

If what you say is right then Eddie should know & be better...

Eddie does many things for the Camera

He also has very loose lips ? 

2 hours ago, dieter said:

So did Leigh Matthews and lots of others: it was 'part of the game' at that time. Has anyone asked Matthews to account for his behind play attacks on Giles, Smith and Bruns???????

Matthews was a complete thug. Kennedy and Jeans condoned it. His reinvention as some sort of wise old father-figure in the AFL is pathetic. Says so much about the nature of institutionalised brutality and abuse that runs like a cancer throughout the industry. 

3 hours ago, dieter said:

So did Leigh Matthews and lots of others: it was 'part of the game' at that time. Has anyone asked Matthews to account for his behind play attacks on Giles, Smith and Bruns???????

I do, every time I walk past his statue at the G. “[censored] weak thug Matthews!”. Doesn’t seem to do much though. 

4 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

How so and whom do you speak of...

Oh dear. Such fundamental questions. Further back than I thought...

15 minutes ago, rpfc said:

Oh dear. Such fundamental questions. Further back than I thought...

Maybe I am not as smart as you. Give me the benefit of you explaining what you are trying to say without saying it.

Heritier Lumumba  stood up to the bullies who think they did no wrong.  Consistently called a chimp?  Not if he was white. 

What makes one better than another because of the colour of their skin ?      Are we still in the dark days? 

Eddie and his chumps have much to answer for.

13 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

Very happy he has found happiness. However lets remember his Angolan father abandoned him for 13 years and his stepfather O Brien helped raised him. I just think regardless of nationality this bloke is fairly obsessed with himself and thats how he played footy as well, little defence and all eye catching play. 

That wasn't what the bloody article was about???

1 minute ago, willmoy said:

That wasn't what the bloody article was about???

That is like saying, today was windy, and no further discussion on weather will be allowed. What is your issue.

This thread is a depressing read

 

55 minutes ago, Half forward flank said:

That is like saying, today was windy, and no further discussion on weather will be allowed. What is your issue.

That you have have missed the point of the lengthy article and your first response was with a line about his “Angolan father” abandoning the family and how “obsessed with himself”  that made Hertier as a footballer and person. Hertier (and f k you @Cranky Franky) for deliberately calling him Harry in your see through reply) has clearly struggled within the confines of Aust let alone the AFL spotlight

You then try to justify it with a “if you don’t know how your father leaving feels”  line while them being hypersensitive to a question about your first post.

The fact you don’t see it is staggering. 

 

I found it telling that while Lumumba toed the line at Collingwood with their "side by side" mantra (which they seem to practice when it suits only those in charge), he was considered a thoughtful, level headed role model, consistently being voted by his peers to be in the leadership group.  As soon as he grew tired of the constant racism and homophobia displayed at the club by team mates and staff and called it out (by this time he was older and no longer the young rookie worried about losing his place), he was portrayed as a dramatic trouble maker with an axe to grind. The media believed the gripes of the disgruntled Collingwood voices, including ex players such as Tony Shaw, and took up the narrative of the disturbed young black man with mental issues and ran with it like gleeful vultures who scented a new corpse to prey upon. Shameful.

 A naive starry eyed fan request to meet Barack Obama if the President was to attend an AFL match when he visited Australia turned into a public humiliation for the young 24 year old when the story was leaked by the unsympathetic media. How dare he? Who did he think he was? Another chance to pile derision on the young man.

I am glad Lumumba has found his place in the world, and whatever happiness and peace is in it. He also has an acute awareness of where he and his family comes from, and his heritage. People on shows such as "Who Do You Think You Are?" search for their ancestors, consumed with curiosity about their relatives' experiences. 

Lumumba already knows what trials his ancestors endured and survived. I think he is a survivor as well, and tries hard to make his ancestors proud of him. I wish him and his family well.

Edited December 5, 20205 yr by Dame Gaga
.