9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

No better example of correlation vs causation than this.

Oscar and Frost were, arguably, the biggest reason we didn't finish top 4 in 2018 and possibly have an even better crack at the finals.

Disagree

Both had seasons which were about  as good as their ability Would allow.

We lost Lever fir most of season 

We were One of the best defensive units after about Round 12. 

Our forwRd  line was Still off sometimes as per the Swans  game In Round 21 when Jesse got injured.

Goody refused to put Frosty  on Hawkins earlier in the last quarter at KPark resulting in goals vs Oscar. Till it was too late.
Gawny missed goal vs Cats in Round1 after siren Firwards that day had every chance but couldn't get us over the line!

 

 

19 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

No better example of correlation vs causation than this.

Oscar and Frost were, arguably, the biggest reason we didn't finish top 4 in 2018 and possibly have an even better crack at the finals.

I don't disagree. At the end of 2018 we rightfully went out and got May to improve our defensive stocks.

My post was more to show some appreciation and respect to a player who played his role for us and gave his time and effort to the club rather than "[censored] myself laughing" at his AFL career.

On 10/10/2020 at 5:59 PM, Pollyanna said:

You are making the point that MFC is particularly bad at managing developing tall players and used OMac as an example.  I used English as an example of another club mismanaging a tall in worse ways and @whatwhatsaywhat brought up the even more conclusive example of Josh Fraser. 

Your whole shtick is unique "MFC mismananagement". You seem unable to follow a relatively straightforward rebuttal.

I never made that point.

I said we didn't develop Oscar in the manner we should have.

You seem unable to follow what I said.

Edited October 19, 20204 yr by JimmyGadson

hartigan to the hawks is definitely a hit for our ability to offload omac to another club. 

9 minutes ago, Turner said:

hartigan to the hawks is definitely a hit for our ability to offload omac to another club. 

opens up a spot at the crows tho

6 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

opens up a spot at the crows tho

he's too old

they've got Fish and Butts down there with Talia, Kelly, Doedee all tall types they won't be picking up 24yo rejects in the key possies

Norff would be interested in anyone even marginally capable of running out on any sort of a footy oval ATM. 

We’ll trade him to his desired destination for a token late pick or he’ll get there as a delisted free agent. 

On 10/21/2020 at 4:06 PM, Lord Travis said:

We’ll trade him to his desired destination for a token late pick or he’ll get there as a delisted free agent. 

Well that’s the point!!!! If all we are to get for Oscar is, eg, number 70 in the draft, are we not better to retain him? Perhaps as Rookie? How many very late draft picks turn out to be as useful as Oscar? If u disagree, have a look at the first two finals in 2018

3 minutes ago, Farmer said:

Well that’s the point!!!! If all we are to get for Oscar is, eg, number 70 in the draft, are we not better to retain him? Perhaps as Rookie? How many very late draft picks turn out to be as useful as Oscar? If u disagree, have a look at the first two finals in 2018

If u agree, then have a look at 60 other games where he was poor. 
 

Let’s agree that Oscar should be traded out as a mercy rule for all Dees supporters.  

On 10/18/2020 at 5:54 PM, titan_uranus said:

No better example of correlation vs causation than this.

Oscar and Frost were, arguably, the biggest reason we didn't finish top 4 in 2018 and possibly have an even better crack at the finals.

Truly, that is rubbish! We started off with Lever and Tom McD playing back in 2028 .Lever useless early on, then a bad injury as he was starting to improve. Frost only  got a game after Lever’s injury, plus the decision to play Tom forward— a pretty good decision  as it transpired. Mid season onwards ( after we were smashed by Pies on Queens Birthday) Oscar and Frost were the key backs. Have a look at our results thereafter. Look at the two MCG finals, then tell me that Oscar can’t play.

ive never seen such a set against a player, because he LOOKS, awkward, non athletic . How many times has he been beaten badly by a one on one opponent? . I ask friends why they seem to detest him and its always “ look at him— he doesn’t look like a player”

And it’s the treatment in sites such as this which has [censored] off Tom, so we are likely to lose two utterly decent guys in circumstances which won’t reflect well on the club.

1 hour ago, Farmer said:

Truly, that is rubbish! We started off with Lever and Tom McD playing back in 2028 .Lever useless early on, then a bad injury as he was starting to improve. Frost only  got a game after Lever’s injury, plus the decision to play Tom forward— a pretty good decision  as it transpired. Mid season onwards ( after we were smashed by Pies on Queens Birthday) Oscar and Frost were the key backs. Have a look at our results thereafter. Look at the two MCG finals, then tell me that Oscar can’t play.

ive never seen such a set against a player, because he LOOKS, awkward, non athletic . How many times has he been beaten badly by a one on one opponent? . I ask friends why they seem to detest him and its always “ look at him— he doesn’t look like a player”

And it’s the treatment in sites such as this which has [censored] off Tom, so we are likely to lose two utterly decent guys in circumstances which won’t reflect well on the club.

watch the sydney game, hes slow and was getting beaten out the back when everyone knows u gotta keep the ball in front in the wet, when he got the ball he took three decades to decide what to do with it and was caught and then the coaches just tried to throw him where he would do the least damage and had him at FF and in the ruck! 

4 minutes ago, Turner said:

watch the sydney game, hes slow and was getting beaten out the back when everyone knows u gotta keep the ball in front in the wet, when he got the ball he took three decades to decide what to do with it and was caught and then the coaches just tried to throw him where he would do the least damage and had him at FF and in the ruck! 

Yeah O Mac was so poor in that game they had to send him to full forward just to stay out of the way. 
 

(Mind you he had a few mates that day)

1 hour ago, Farmer said:

Truly, that is rubbish! We started off with Lever and Tom McD playing back in 2028 .Lever useless early on, then a bad injury as he was starting to improve. Frost only  got a game after Lever’s injury, plus the decision to play Tom forward— a pretty good decision  as it transpired. Mid season onwards ( after we were smashed by Pies on Queens Birthday) Oscar and Frost were the key backs. Have a look at our results thereafter. Look at the two MCG finals, then tell me that Oscar can’t play.

ive never seen such a set against a player, because he LOOKS, awkward, non athletic . How many times has he been beaten badly by a one on one opponent? . I ask friends why they seem to detest him and its always “ look at him— he doesn’t look like a player”

And it’s the treatment in sites such as this which has [censored] off Tom, so we are likely to lose two utterly decent guys in circumstances which won’t reflect well on the club.

Again - correlation but not causation.

Our biggest weakness in 2018 was our inability to stop sides scoring when they got through our forward press. That was in large part because the individuals we had back there weren't that good (i.e. Oscar and Frost).

Our improved form in 2018 wasn't because we put Oscar and Frost down back, it was because we improved so much around the ball and in our forward line that we hid our weakness (remember, our losses to St Kilda and Sydney in that second half of the year were where our back half was exposed and we didn't score enough from the inside 50s we generated).

Oscar has been a limited footballer his entire career. He doesn't deserve much of the name-calling he gets on here and other sites but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss his limitations as a footballer. As I've said before, he has no physicality, still gets moved off the ball easily, and struggles to get involved offensively with any impact.

On 10/21/2020 at 3:36 PM, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Norff would be interested in anyone even marginally capable of running out on any sort of a footy oval ATM. 

Agreed. They are giving Aidan Corr 600K/yr for some reason. So I assume O will be snapped up too

2 hours ago, Farmer said:

 

ive never seen such a set against a player, because he LOOKS, awkward, non athletic . How many times has he been beaten badly by a one on one opponent? . I ask friends why they seem to detest him and its always “ look at him— he doesn’t look like a player”

And it’s the treatment in sites such as this which has [censored] off Tom, so we are likely to lose two utterly decent guys in circumstances which won’t reflect well on the club.

He got smashed by McKernan enough said.

What's our late-pick record? I recall Morton maybe going to WC for pick 88. Can't remember any bigger slaps in the face than that. Would you rather be delisted or traded for an eighth-rounder?

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

What's our late-pick record? I recall Morton maybe going to WC for pick 88. Can't remember any bigger slaps in the face than that. Would you rather be delisted or traded for an eighth-rounder?

i think that was prior to the delisted free agents being able to be simply picked up by a team

 

4 hours ago, DubDee said:

Agreed. They are giving Aidan Corr 600K/yr for some reason. So I assume O will be snapped up too

Why would you assume that?

10 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

He got smashed by McKernan enough said.

When? Which match?

a lot depend on what one makes of Tomlinson. Lever does not play as a key defender. Never has, he didn’t at Adelaide where Talia and Brown were the key defenders. Lever can, nevertheless be useful if given little responsibility on a gun player . Can Tomlinson play as a key defender? Or Smith? Perhaps Petty will be the man. I haven’t minded Oscar playing a purely defensive role on a tall forward 

40 minutes ago, Farmer said:

When? Which match?

a lot depend on what one makes of Tomlinson. Lever does not play as a key defender. Never has, he didn’t at Adelaide where Talia and Brown were the key defenders. Lever can, nevertheless be useful if given little responsibility on a gun player . Can Tomlinson play as a key defender? Or Smith? Perhaps Petty will be the man. I haven’t minded Oscar playing a purely defensive role on a tall forward 

2019 at the G McKernan kicked 5.

Mitch Georgiades. Tim Membrey. Shaun Mckernan. Jack Darling. The list goes on of blokes that made Oscar look decidedly 2nd rate.   imv the club will look to offload Oscar to anyone who’s interested and maybe get a pick in the 60s or 70s or just delist. But it’s just imv 

4 teams currently interested. Don’t expect much in return but Oscar very likely to find a new home 

2 hours ago, Dr evil said:

4 teams currently interested. Don’t expect much in return but Oscar very likely to find a new home 

Calling @Elegt - start saving for that membership

16 hours ago, Skuit said:

What's our late-pick record? I recall Morton maybe going to WC for pick 88. Can't remember any bigger slaps in the face than that. Would you rather be delisted or traded for an eighth-rounder?

we on traded it for david rodan iirc so not too bad overall

and rhys palmer went from gws to carlton for pick 117 or something equally outrageous