On 11/28/2020 at 8:18 PM, Pates said:

Absolutely incredible stuff. Has the potential to wreck one, or both clubs salary caps. The Pies have always looked bad in this but the dogs are looking very stupid as well, the contract should have been the first thing negotiated and terms written down. 

If one club is going down let it be Collingwood!

Tough year coming up for the Filth and Essendrug. Good outcome for the rest of the comp.

still no news on the treloar imbroglio

the press seem to have dropped the ball on this......strange seeing there is not much other afl news 

afl seem happy to keep their heads buried firmly in the sand

2 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

still no news on the treloar imbroglio

the press seem to have dropped the ball on this......strange seeing there is not much other afl news 

afl seem happy to keep their heads buried firmly in the sand

Why change their default position dc?

Really inconceivable that this issue hasn’t been properly resolved and the AFL is allowing it to persist to draft day.

This is because without certainty as to who is responsible for Treloar’s payments and in which amounts, you can’t possibly arrive a club’s total player payments. In those circumstances, it should be that the clubs involved should not be able to take part in the draft because they might exceed their salary cap once you add payment for players drafted.

I seem to recall being told in the past that the idea of list lodgement dates in the trading and draft periods was to enable the AFL and the clubs to keep tabs on their salary caps with the AFL having the capacity to prevent breaches from happening. Perhaps I’m wrong and perhaps Collingwood can deal whichever way it likes.

44 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Really inconceivable that this issue hasn’t been properly resolved and the AFL is allowing it to persist to draft day.

This is because without certainty as to who is responsible for Treloar’s payments and in which amounts, you can’t possibly arrive a club’s total player payments. In those circumstances, it should be that the clubs involved should not be able to take part in the draft because they might exceed their salary cap once you add payment for players drafted.

I seem to recall being told in the past that the idea of list lodgement dates in the trading and draft periods was to enable the AFL and the clubs to keep tabs on their salary caps with the AFL having the capacity to prevent breaches from happening. Perhaps I’m wrong and perhaps Collingwood can deal whichever way it likes.

Not a worry, I am told it will all be sorted out by the end of his contract in 2025.

 

“Sources within the AFL said the league wanted to stop the possibility of such a messy outcome occurring again.

One obvious solution being considered would require both clubs to verbally indicate the exact amount being paid by each club in the future years of the traded player when the trade is finalised.“

I’d say it’s incredible this doesn’t already happen but honestly the AFL quite often chooses the messiest path. Just ridiculous that this is not one of the conditions for a trade deal being finalised. 

according to today's hun

dogs will pay treloar $3m over 5 years (avg $600k/yr)

filth will pay treloar $1.5m over 5 years (avg $300k/yr)

but......to help the filth's salary cap issues....

dogs will front-end some of their part of the contract and pies will back-end their part of contract

the amount to front-end/back-end was not disclosed

recipe for more cap issues in future for filth ?

5 hours ago, daisycutter said:

according to today's hun

dogs will pay treloar $3m over 5 years (avg $600k/yr)

filth will pay treloar $1.5m over 5 years (avg $300k/yr)

but......to help the filth's salary cap issues....

dogs will front-end some of their part of the contract and pies will back-end their part of contract

the amount to front-end/back-end was not disclosed

recipe for more cap issues in future for filth ?

Don’t you just love it’ dc?

5 hours ago, daisycutter said:

according to today's hun

dogs will pay treloar $3m over 5 years (avg $600k/yr)

filth will pay treloar $1.5m over 5 years (avg $300k/yr)

but......to help the filth's salary cap issues....

dogs will front-end some of their part of the contract and pies will back-end their part of contract

the amount to front-end/back-end was not disclosed

recipe for more cap issues in future for filth ?

The Filth are crazy if they back end this contract again. 
 

you have been warned 

17 hours ago, Pates said:

“Sources within the AFL said the league wanted to stop the possibility of such a messy outcome occurring again.

One obvious solution being considered would require both clubs to verbally indicate the exact amount being paid by each club in the future years of the traded player when the trade is finalised.“

I’d say it’s incredible this doesn’t already happen but honestly the AFL quite often chooses the messiest path. Just ridiculous that this is not one of the conditions for a trade deal being finalised. 

Another crazy solution being considered is to actually apply the rules that are in place for all clubs, even Collingwood.

1 hour ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

Another crazy solution being considered is to actually apply the rules that are in place for all clubs, even Collingwood.

That little stuff up cost the Dogs half a million of salary cap.

I hope they have documented their "learnings" for next time.

22 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

That little stuff up cost the Dogs half a million of salary cap.

I hope they have documented their "learnings" for next time.

where do you get the $500k from jim? source?

are you saying dogs pay $1.1M (.6 + .5) in 2021 then $475k for the following 4 years

whilst filth pay $2m (1.5 + .5) over last 4 years ?

Coincidentally, sorted out well beyond the (extended) time allowed under the rules and after the draft. Hmmm ...

55 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

That little stuff up cost the Dogs half a million of salary cap.

I hope they have documented their "learnings" for next time.

Where on earth did this "learnings" word come from? I'm hearing it in every second radio and vid interview. It used to be "lessons"  or even "experiences", or whatever, but I assume that's not quite "mindful" enough now for our suddenly enlightened new-age coaches. 

Edited December 12, 20204 yr by maximum bob

12 minutes ago, maximum bob said:

Where on earth did this "learnings" word come from? I'm hearing it in every second radio and vid interview. It used to be "lessons"  or even "experiences", or whatever, but I assume that's not quite "mindful" enough now for our suddenly enlightened new-age coaches. I realise that they're just footy coaches but the general literacy rate amongst this lot is abysmal. 

classic weasel word

 

On 12/12/2020 at 4:41 PM, daisycutter said:

where do you get the $500k from jim? source?

are you saying dogs pay $1.1M (.6 + .5) in 2021 then $475k for the following 4 years

whilst filth pay $2m (1.5 + .5) over last 4 years ?

It’s in the Age article (Bulldogs thought on trade night that Pies were paying $1.5M over the contract period. Final deal is Collingwood only pay $1M .)

One month after Adam Treloar was traded from Collingwood to the Western Bulldogs an agreement has been reached that will see close to $1 million of the midfielder's contract carried in the Magpies' salary cap over the next five years.....

The elongated negotiation process began when Collingwood disputed the Western Bulldogs' belief that the Magpies had agreed to pay $1.5 million of Treloar's $4.5 million deal that extends until 2025

22 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

It’s in the Age article (Bulldogs thought on trade night that Pies were paying $1.5M over the contract period. Final deal is Collingwood only pay $1M .)

One month after Adam Treloar was traded from Collingwood to the Western Bulldogs an agreement has been reached that will see close to $1 million of the midfielder's contract carried in the Magpies' salary cap over the next five years.....

The elongated negotiation process began when Collingwood disputed the Western Bulldogs' belief that the Magpies had agreed to pay $1.5 million of Treloar's $4.5 million deal that extends until 2025

well the hun has a different story - viz

Quote

Collingwood has failed in its bid to force the Western Bulldogs to stump up extra cash for star recruit Adam Treloar.

The Dogs held their ground and will not be paying Treloar a cent more than a five-year, $600,000-a-season contract agreed last month with the cast-off Magpies midfielder.

A resolution to the contract dispute reached on Friday means the remaining $1.5 million owed to Treloar over the next five years will be paid to him by the Magpies.

But the Bulldogs have agreed to front-end some of Treloar’s first-year wages in a bid to assist Collingwood in managing its salary cap.

 

so Magpies paying 1.5 million for Treloar to play for Doggies..!

fantastic.

20 hours ago, maximum bob said:

Where on earth did this "learnings" word come from? I'm hearing it in every second radio and vid interview. It used to be "lessons"  or even "experiences", or whatever, but I assume that's not quite "mindful" enough now for our suddenly enlightened new-age coaches. 

MB there was some discussion earlier this year about the currency of this linguistic oddity,  'a jargon or buzzword whose repeated use has irritated listeners here. Annoyingly it appears to be spreading. According to discussion on English Language and Usage ,  "Actually, learnings sounds terrible to native English speakers." I never heard of it being used at all until I worked with people from ....."  Perhaps propagators of its usage should be called Guru Bob or similar.'

'Its etymology, grammatically correct or otherwise, can be traced in print at least to Shakespeare. In  Cymbeline (1623) i. i. 43 The king..Puts to him all the Learnings that his time... as coach allows'

Trust this assists but we're not holding our collective breath, given today's propensity for mass followers of media 'influencers' to accept and use these 'frankenweenisms'.   It's all fugazi! TC

Edited December 13, 20204 yr by Tarax Club
lesson learnt

On 12/12/2020 at 7:42 PM, daisycutter said:

well the hun has a different story - viz

 

Jake is usually on the money, the hun can be a bit hit or miss.

Who do you believe? or has someone else corroborated either of these stories.

I hope the Hun is right as I like to see C/wood suffer, but....

On 12/12/2020 at 2:24 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

The Filth are crazy if they back end this contract again. 
 

you have been warned 

Yeah you only really should be back ending contracts if you are in the window or have some big contracts about to finish.  I don't think either applies to the pies

On 12/12/2020 at 4:14 PM, Diamond_Jim said:

That little stuff up cost the Dogs half a million of salary cap.

I hope they have documented their "learnings" for next time.

mods please give warnings to anyone useing the "L" word

On 12/12/2020 at 4:57 PM, maximum bob said:

Where on earth did this "learnings" word come from? I'm hearing it in every second radio and vid interview. It used to be "lessons"  or even "experiences", or whatever, but I assume that's not quite "mindful" enough now for our suddenly enlightened new-age coaches. 

dont get me started on the L" word