Tom Phillips - Outside Skills and Speed

[DeeZee 7,445]

It could be something like TMac and Jetta to Collingwood for Tom Phillips and a second round pick

[old55 23,833]

On 10/14/2020 at 10:18 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Any decent wingmen would, but that's not really the question.

The questions are:
1. Does his limited skills and contested ability see those B+F results start to slide over the new few years - he wouldn't be the only hard running type of player to have peaked by 23 (see T. Bugg or A.N-B).

2. Is Isaac Smith (for free) better for a couple of years for free whilst we work on a long term replacement who we can draft with the pick we won't have to give up for Phillips

I'm not so sure the Pies would be so keen to move Phillips on if they thought he had 100 solid games left in him. Chris Mayne's their other wingmen and he's just about done, they could find a way to hold on to the salary if they really wanted to. 2 years of Isaac Smith and allocate the draft resources towards finding longer term solutions - in particular guys who can kick would be my preferred result.

Sidebottom and Daicos.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,766]

8 minutes ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Why is it that every player that gets pushed out of a club all of a sudden seen as damaged goods? They obviously see Daicos as a better talent and I would agree, the kid is an absolute gun. Why keep around Phillips if he's surplus to needs and can free up salary for other moves. Phillips fits in that same mould as Langdon (definitely a better kick) runs really hard as that link between D50 and forward half. Our improvement on the outside purely from Langdon as that outlet was enormous for our structure and I'd take that over the kicks he ends up shanking. 

To Langers credit he did clean up his disposal after the 1st game against West Coke.

[Turner 1,516]

32 minutes ago, 58er said:

Such as ? He is a first round draft pick!!!

Can play HB HF and I presume wing and even on the ball 

A young player of high potential better than any of our 15/30 list players based on 2020 form and Suns ready to offload him cheaply.

we already screwed our game plan over this year trying to fit 27 inside mids into the side, now we're trying to rectify that recruiting brodie is absolutely wrong

Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver, Trac, Jones, Harmes, vanders, sparrow all played in the same side this year and u want to add one more into the mix ur having a giraffe

[Roost it far 9,531]

I like the sound of Phillips

 

[Gator 17,972]

Phillips can play, as evidenced by B&F placings a year or two ago, but he does torch it by foot too often.

That said, it's not the worst option.

[dazzledavey36 55,867]

Jetta for Phillips?

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

55 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jetta for Phillips?

definitely think that's what they'll be after Dazzle, they obviously have a role in mind for Nev, and we can definitely use the run of Phillips, they get some cap relief 

Win-Win

Not every trade has to be equally valued assets, as long as it's advantageous for both parties. 

[demoniac 1,337]

12 hours ago, AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey said:

Don't think he's quite in the shape/mould of a winger and certainly doesnt have the speed to work as that hard 2 way runner. I think our numerous experiments with Tomlinson, Jones and AVB have proven that bigger body midfielder type struggles as a purely outside player. 

You forgot former Dees Winger Dom Tyson.

It was perplexing that we waited till last few games of season  to play 2 wingman. Landon had a good year, Baker showed good signs when he finally came in. Both back pocket to forward pocket runners who can get forward or back to cover  a team mate or be an option. Philips disposal may not be perfect but if he has those attributes we'd have room in our 22. All depends on what Maggies want trade wise and his choice of club. If its a salary cap dump then Pires don't have a strong hand.

[Elegt 872]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jetta for Phillips?

Would probably have to throw in a 3rd round pick too i reckon

[Adam The God 30,603]

1 hour ago, Elegt said:

Would probably have to throw in a 3rd round pick too i reckon

No we wouldn't. They need cap relief and Nev is contracted. We have the whip hand.

[58er 6,812]

16 hours ago, Turner said:

we already screwed our game plan over this year trying to fit 27 inside mids into the side, now we're trying to rectify that recruiting brodie is absolutely wrong

Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver, Trac, Jones, Harmes, vanders, sparrow all played in the same side this year and u want to add one more into the mix ur having a giraffe

Turner so You  are happy with our Last 15/30 players form on our list.

isnt the idea to improve our playing list so that we can gather 26/26 classy players on our list doable if playing different positions if necessary.

I suspect you dont even know who Brodie  is snd are too lazy to search.

He is about 21 188 cm and 85/90 kg and is a First Round draft pick of about 2 years ago.Generally a flanker and can play tall fir his height and has good pace.

Is versatile snd would have a decade or more footy left and ai think is a Victorian.

GC are looking to offload and have too many of his type.

I will check my facts and i I paste eith any further info Turner.

 

[58er 6,812]

13 minutes ago, 58er said:

Turner so You  are happy with our Last 15/30 players form on our list.

isnt the idea to improve our playing list so that we can gather 26/26 classy players on our list doable if playing different positions if necessary.

I suspect you dont even know who Brodie  is snd are too lazy to search.

He is about 21 188 cm and 85/90 kg and is a First Round draft pick of about 2 years ago.Generally a flanker and can play tall fir his height and has good pace.

Is versatile snd would have a decade or more footy left and ai think is a Victorian.

GC are looking to offload and have too many of his type.

I will check my facts and i I paste eith any further info Turner.

 

Turner from the GC Details Will is 22 played 20 games Is 189cm 89 kg and has kicked 3 goals.Would be 2017 draft.

Listed as an inside mid/centre player from Murray Bushrangers.

[dazzledavey36 55,867]

6 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

definitely think that's what they'll be after Dazzle, they obviously have a role in mind for Nev, and we can definitely use the run of Phillips, they get some cap relief 

Win-Win

Not every trade has to be equally valued assets, as long as it's advantageous for both parties. 

Have we actually shown interest in Phillips?

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,288]

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jetta for Phillips?

A 30 year old on his decline with one top 10 B&F finish in three years who finished the second half of the year out of our  best side

Vs 

A 24 year old coming into his prime with 2 top 6 finishes inn three year who lost his spot due to injury.

I know they need to clear some space but surely it will cost us more than Jetta?

[Turner 1,516]

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Turner from the GC Details Will is 22 played 20 games Is 189cm 89 kg and has kicked 3 goals.Would be 2017 draft.

Listed as an inside mid/centre player from Murray Bushrangers.

bro i know who he is, like cool but we have players developing as inside mids already yes he would improve our list because hes a talented player but he doesnt improve the structure of our side and we shouldn't recruit for the 2s specifically until we have a good 22

[Ethan Tremblay 31,243]

If Jetta played for Collingwood and Phillips for us, we’d laugh at the suggestion of a straight swap Phillips for Jetta. 

[TheoX 1,222]

Was Phillips injured or just not getting a game? If hes on good money, they'd be keen to offload him like we are with Tmac. 

Would prefer him to an elderly Smith anyway.

[dazzledavey36 55,867]

18 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Was Phillips injured or just not getting a game? If hes on good money, they'd be keen to offload him like we are with Tmac. 

Would prefer him to an elderly Smith anyway.

Injured and pushed out of his normal position from the wing to a half forward due to the emergence of Daicos.

[AaronDaveyChipsAndGravey 390]

18 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Was Phillips injured or just not getting a game? If hes on good money, they'd be keen to offload him like we are with Tmac. 

Would prefer him to an elderly Smith anyway.

Picked up a leg injury if I recall correctly towards the end of the year that put him out for at least 4-5 games. Was pushing for selection for their final against the Eagles but didnt make it. I think a straight swap Tmac for Phillips would be beneficial for all involved. 

[Maldonboy38 6,406]

I wouldn't go after him because he is only a marginal increase in the overall quality of our list. I'm much more keen to see Baker continue to develop. I know he isn't a left footer, but he is very quick and showed a heap of improvement.

[dazzledavey36 55,867]

14 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I wouldn't go after him because he is only a marginal increase in the overall quality of our list. I'm much more keen to see Baker continue to develop. I know he isn't a left footer, but he is very quick and showed a heap of improvement.

Baker hasn't proved himself yet, whereas Phillips can come in straight away and make an impact immediately.  Let's not shy away that Phillips has been a big contributor for Collingwood when they have gone deep into finals the past few years.

Maybe I am impatience, but Baker is still unproven at this stage. One of his biggest weakness is his tank. Phillips like Langdon, will run up and down the wing using his endurance power to run the game out hard.

[TRIGON 4,792]

I like Baker and think we should continue to invest in his development. However, from an overall list perspective I'd prefer that he was out understudy wing option. So, by all means look at bringing someone like Phillips in.

[Elegt 872]

9 hours ago, A F said:

No we wouldn't. They need cap relief and Nev is contracted. We have the whip hand.

Lol no chance. Nev has no trade value. Id be laughing my head off if someone told me Nev was worth more than Phillips. 

[Adam The God 30,603]

1 hour ago, Elegt said:

Lol no chance. Nev has no trade value. Id be laughing my head off if someone told me Nev was worth more than Phillips. 

We're basing a lot of this on speculation. The speculation says Collingwood are looking at Nev for a multi-year contract. 

They want Nev and they're happy to part with Phillips.