2 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Regressed? 

He's had a slightly down year on his lofty standards but he was still top 5 in a bunch of really key stats for the league as a midfielder, made the AA squad, finished top 10 in the brownlow and proabably was unlucky to not finish higher in our BnF i certainly would have had him a close third behind May. 

I think he's totally justified to have found the HUB really hard, i think a lot of players from all teams did, frustrated that a list that should be playing finals has missed for the second year in a row. 

I don't have any concerns at all about Clarries attitude, or his work ethic, or what he's delivered on field. he's still incredibly young, has had an amazing first 5 seasons that would be up there with any of the modern day champion players first 5 years. 

He's a competitive animal, desperate to win, and i actually think it's a great thing players are annoyed about missing finals, so they should be. no excuses in 2021. if we don't make finals we will be getting a new coach, and losing players. but we have the list, especially with our prospective signings to bounce back strongly. and i'm backing Clarry to use this as fuel. i've made him my early 2021 brownlow tip.

Clarry and Trac are only going to steal votes from each other over the next half-dozen years.

FFS. The same poster on the Carlton bored is also claiming Wines wants to go to Carlton. Read the whole thread, they’re pulling the [censored]. You lot need to calm down.

Edited October 22, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Tom Morris reporting that Clarries management have said this is definitely not happening. 

49 minutes ago, Luther said:

Clarry and Trac are only going to steal votes from each other over the next half-dozen years.

Interesting diversion.

fifty odd years ago the general belief was that it was easier to win a Brownlow at a struggling club because other players in your team did not take votes away from you.

Fast forward to the last ten years and the Brownlow has almost always gone to a player in a finals team.

Wonder what has changed

Talk about burying the lead. Last paragraph of the article. 

There are lots of rumours about Clayton Oliver, his management and Melbourne have repeatedly and categorically denied he is going anywhere in the trade period. I will trust them over anything else, even if Carlton is keen - his agent and the Dees simply say it won‘t happen.

Oliver’s not going anywhere? I’m shocked to be here. 

Edited October 22, 20204 yr by Ethan Tremblay

40 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Interesting diversion.

fifty odd years ago the general belief was that it was easier to win a Brownlow at a struggling club because other players in your team did not take votes away from you.

Fast forward to the last ten years and the Brownlow has almost always gone to a player in a finals team.

Wonder what has changed

Gambling?

Nothing sums of the journo industry like a "Journo" shutting down rumours of a player leaving which  was started by a journalist saying there are rumours player is unhappy. Its actually unbelievable. 

 

His manager has denied it. 

Carlton fans were also saying yesterday on that same board that it will soon be released that Crouch will nominate Carlton as his preferred destination. 

New minute, nominates St Kilda ?

16 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Talk about burying the lead. Last paragraph of the article. 

There are lots of rumours about Clayton Oliver, his management and Melbourne have repeatedly and categorically denied he is going anywhere in the trade period. I will trust them over anything else, even if Carlton is keen - his agent and the Dees simply say it won‘t happen.

Betteridge's law of headlines is "if the Headline ends with a question mark, the answer is no."

Footy media has become the snake that eats itself, continually creating stories to report on. 

Clarry may be frustrated, but IMO it's up to him to make sure he can continue to improve. Trac can do it, so can he.

 

Edited October 22, 20204 yr by DemonWorshipper

1 hour ago, Demon Disciple said:

This year he’s started to sook it up a bit too much when things haven’t gone his way on the footy field.

Plus he has regressed over the past couple of years (apart from Trac who hasn’t?).

Like I said, he can get bitter or get better. I’d like to see him adopt a more ‘if it has to be then it’s up to me’ attitude, instead of a ‘I cannot be [censored]’ attitude. This team is rife with it at the moment.

Our best is good enough, they just can’t be arsed doing it for 4 quarters game on game. Clarry is definitely in this camp, and will have the biggest impact on team performance if he turns it around.

And don’t think i’m Being harsh on just Clayton, our skipper has lots of soul searching to do as well. That’s what separates good from great.

This post is so far from the truth it’s not funny, haven’t seen much evidence of him sooking it up on field.

He hasn’t regressed, he had a few bad turnovers by foot during the year & the media & some very short sighted supporters have jumped all over him.

l honestly thought he was easily top 3 in the b&f, probably 2 

And as for saying he’s got a can’t be [censored] attitude, he in my opinion was busting a gut more than any other player.

He and a precious few have had plenty of players weighing them down

He’s 23yo and has carried the midfield for nearly 4 years

Totally disagree with everything you’ve said

 

46 minutes ago, DemonWorshipper said:

Betteridge's law of headlines is "if the Headline ends with a question mark, the answer is no."

Footy media has become the snake that eats itself, continually creating stories to report on. 

Clarry may be frustrated, but IMO it's up to him to make sure he can continue to improve. Trac can do it, so can he.

 

Beat me to it, I came here to say that!

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Oliver’s not going anywhere? I’m shocked to be here. 

I'm not, it's the silly season and people reading social media quoting it to someone else who than says they have source

Question them and they'll bring up the 1 or 2 darts out of 100 that hit the board

I'm sure some of you understand this much better than me because I'm just watching on TV from o/s, but:

It seems Trac  and Clarrie are happy to pass to each other etc., but about round 15, 16 or 17, I saw Clarrie bend to pick up the pill in congestion near a stoppage and Viney charged and grabbed it. I thought wow it seemed for 1/2 second that Viney selfishly fought Clarrie for the ball!?

I don't know there is a problem and hope there isn't, but if those 2 definitely can't work together, then I really hope we keep Clarrie and let Viney go if one must go. 

8 minutes ago, Rob Mac...... said:

I'm sure some of you understand this much better than me because I'm just watching on TV from o/s, but:

It seems Trac  and Clarrie are happy to pass to each other etc., but about round 15, 16 or 17, I saw Clarrie bend to pick up the pill in congestion near a stoppage and Viney charged and grabbed it. I thought wow it seemed for 1/2 second that Viney selfishly fought Clarrie for the ball!?

I don't know there is a problem and hope there isn't, but if those 2 definitely can't work together, then I really hope we keep Clarrie and let Viney go if one must go. 

Hey Rob, very kind of you to write in a bigger font because you're overseas

31 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

Hey Rob, very kind of you to write in a bigger font because you're overseas

Hahaha You're very welcome RTG.  No, I wanted normal font of course.  Pasted from iPhone word processor and forgot that that makes it bigger.
 There's a way to paste yet end up with normal size font, but I forget it now.  

That’s what we should all think of him instead of criticism 

Edited October 22, 20204 yr by Billy

Not really on topic but can I just say how ridiculous the notion of contracted players “nominating” where they are traded to is.

We need a system where co reacted players can be traded to wherever the club wants but once they become free agents they can then choose their destination.

2 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Hey Rob, very kind of you to write in a bigger font because you're overseas

It’s a long way, he needs to talk a bit louder.

I’ve not read whole thread but I’ve heard rumours of a rift between Oliver and Viney.

Just hearsay but usually where there’s smoke...

5 hours ago, Demonland said:

Talk about burying the lead. Last paragraph of the article. 

There are lots of rumours about Clayton Oliver, his management and Melbourne have repeatedly and categorically denied he is going anywhere in the trade period. I will trust them over anything else, even if Carlton is keen - his agent and the Dees simply say it won‘t happen.

Bloody click bait BS. 

31 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I’ve not read whole thread but I’ve heard rumours of a rift between Oliver and Viney.

Just hearsay but usually where there’s smoke...

I heard someone got killed in NYC and they never solved the crime, but you wouldn’t know anything about that now would you titan? 

35 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I’ve not read whole thread but I’ve heard rumours of a rift between Oliver and Viney.

Just hearsay but usually where there’s smoke...

and the winner of cliche-of-the-day goes to.......................㊗️

3 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:

I'm sure some of you understand this much better than me because I'm just watching on TV from o/s, but:

It seems Trac  and Clarrie are happy to pass to each other etc., but about round 15, 16 or 17, I saw Clarrie bend to pick up the pill in congestion near a stoppage and Viney charged and grabbed it. I thought wow it seemed for 1/2 second that Viney selfishly fought Clarrie for the ball!?

I don't know there is a problem and hope there isn't, but if those 2 definitely can't work together, then I really hope we keep Clarrie and let Viney go if one must go. 

Happened many times during the season

Viney can't help himself

Whaddya mean he’s not coming?!