Jump to content


Recommended Posts

Posted

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

  • Like 14
  • Thanks 2

Posted
7 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

Great to hear 

Posted
On 10/12/2020 at 12:22 PM, willmoy said:

Yep some of these Hawthorn players would be smarter than the average. You would think that Yze is playing a helping role here as well...

Would like to know what Yze thinks about the MFC and Smith across the next 2 years, or maybe 3.

  • Like 1
Posted
6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Heard that on radio.  Geelong is a club that doesn't talk of potential trades.  They will let the media speculate.  So for their CEO to publicly discuss Viney, another clubs VC, they would have been very confident of getting him.  They felt used.

Bald bloke from W.C did that using Melbourne as that currency a few years back to get more money either from the pies or Visy, ended up at Visy on a Visy ambassador contract from memory!! MFC at the time thanked him publicly for his consideration when really they were fuming that he had done the same after he said he was coming for sure to play for the club he barracked for as a kid....

  • Like 3
  • Thanks 1
  • Angry 1
Posted
1 hour ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

Hope your source isn’t me.

Posted
1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Hope your source isn’t me.

Sorry mate, thinking i might have totally missed your post! 

Posted
4 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Geelong's CEO this week: “We’re in the market big time at the moment for Jeremy Cameron. He’s struggling with making a decision. He’s a loyal bloke.

Cameron is a free agent though, circumstances are a little different.

Posted
On 10/15/2020 at 8:48 PM, JTR said:

The current season was only his 10th, so in terms of wear and tear on the body he is a very young 32.

He is still killing it in the time trials at the Hawks, having won it every season between 2015-2019 and coming 3rd this season, behind a couple of endurance freak new recruits.

So... running/endurance is not an issue, he has good skills, is a booming left kick, we are in desperate need of a left winger and we can get a proven one in Smith for free.

What is not to like?

His season was interrupted by injuries, signs of aging. He joined afl late but he still played footy before joining afl so not buying the 10 year thing. Players can fall off the cliff very quickly when over 30

  • Like 3

Posted

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

  • Like 1
Posted
2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

Posted
22 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

In what world can contracts be broken? Re-negotiated - yes. Broken - no. If you have to pay out a guy to retire a year early that's not breaking the contract, it's buying a list spot by spending salary for no return and hurts your spare cap space.

If it's a 2 year deal with strong incentives for a 3rd year then that's different to a 3 year deal as well. 

  • Like 4
Posted
3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

He would play his final season as a 34 year old. Probably pushing it but you have to pay extra either in salary or years to get someone to move.

  • Like 3
Posted
8 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

His season was interrupted by injuries, signs of aging. He joined afl late but he still played footy before joining afl so not buying the 10 year thing. Players can fall off the cliff very quickly when over 30

Agree on this... Any running type of player over 30 is in the High Risk for soft tissue injuries.

We should be gunning for Lachie Hunter...! I think he is the most damaging wingman in the game. If Carlscum can fit Saad and Williams in there cap I’m sure we could Lachie...

 

  • Like 6
Posted
14 minutes ago, Dee tention said:

Agree on this... Any running type of player over 30 is in the High Risk for soft tissue injuries.

We should be gunning for Lachie Hunter...! I think he is the most damaging wingman in the game. If Carlscum can fit Saad and Williams in there cap I’m sure we could Lachie...

 

absolutely correct I wouldn't touch Smith. Hunter is a gun so much upside and ready for  a long future

  • Like 1
Posted
8 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Hope its not 3 years. Doesnt matter that he was drafted later than most. He'll be 32 at the end of this year and missed some games with injuries. Do we really need a guy running around for us at nearly 35?

One year, sure. Two, perhaps. Three??? Nah. Unless the 3rd is purely a coaching role

We used to have a desire for slow midgets. It seems our focus nowadays, is to fill up with moderate B grade midfielders, with little upside, on long contracts.

 

  • Like 2
  • Love 1

Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

In what world can contracts be broken? Re-negotiated - yes. Broken - no. If you have to pay out a guy to retire a year early that's not breaking the contract, it's buying a list spot by spending salary for no return and hurts your spare cap space.

If it's a 2 year deal with strong incentives for a 3rd year then that's different to a 3 year deal as well. 

So above you're talking TPP and that wasnt the point. And again we have no idea how the contract would structured. It could be front loaded and he could end up plsy ing for minimums plus incentives for 2 of the 3 years. Would you say Smith is more valuable then say a pick 50 then?

But the point made by Moonshadow was contract length anf not terms. Contact have multiple ways they can be broken, including retirement, mutual agreement and dismissal.

The whole length term argument for smith is irrelevant. You either want a more talented list or you don't.

Lets not pretend recruiting Smith is going to hurt the club, He comes across for free and helps the club one way or another. The rest is irrelevant for a lots of reasons which cant be debated because we simply wouldn't know terms of the agreement.

Edited by Unleash Hell
  • Like 2
Posted
On 10/16/2020 at 10:00 AM, Wells 11 said:

Jesus I hate Geelong. They got their hyper priveleged nose out of joint because Viney stayed with us. Cry me a frikn river.  Unimaginable that a player , having had time to think, would choose to stick with his club rather than go to them. It must be they got used FMD. Hope Viney cuts them a new one next time we play. 

Triple “like” this post!

  • Like 1
Posted

 

37 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

So above you're talking TPP and that wasnt the point. And again we have no idea how the contract would structured. It could be front loaded and he could end up plsy ing for minimums plus incentives for 2 of the 3 years. Would you say Smith is more valuable then say a pick 50 then?

But the point made by Moonshadow was contract length anf not terms. Contact have multiple ways they can be broken, including retirement, mutual agreement and dismissal.

The whole length term argument for smith is irrelevant. You either want a more talented list or you don't.

Lets not pretend recruiting Smith is going to hurt the club, He comes across for free and helps the club one way or another. The rest is irrelevant for a lots of reasons which cant be debated because we simply wouldn't know terms of the agreement.

I think the long term argument is relevant, because at the end of the day you're getting maybe 1 good year out of him next year and beyond that it realistically looks downhill. Lewis was 32 when he retired (yes Lewis was probably a bit slower and banged up from playing inside roles but even his kicking went south), thats the same age as Smith is now and we're thinking we can get something out of him at 34/35? He makes our list slightly more talented for a year maximum. Just cannot see what Smith has to offer our side besides leadership off-field and slightly more depth beyond next year? 

I get that he's free in the sense of giving up nothing for him, however we have to sink salary and play him at the expense of developing someone like Baker. If we were serious about continuing to build a talented list beyond "topping up" with dubious 32+ year old players we need to be chasing someone like a Tom Phillips who can have roughly the same level of output for the next 5-8 years.

  • Like 3

Posted

3 years will mean he’ll be 34 heading into his last season. If 3 years is what it takes then perhaps that’s what we do. He has pace so when he does slow down he will still likely be somewhat quick. And I doubt he’ll be asking for huge dollars on a 3 year deal. Will bring experience and a fair amount of knowledge of what it takes. 

Posted
11 hours ago, Unleash Hell said:

Sorry for the deja vu 

But you do realise contacts can be broken. You also dont know any if the details on how their structured and what incentives and options there are.

Who cares and you have no idea what your talking about.

 

What are you... 13?

Go away

Posted

Hawks offering 2 years, l have my doubts about the validity of that. They only offer 1 year deals for 30 plus players. Makes me wonder whether its a dummy 2 year deal designed to extract better offers to the benefit of Smith and to help him get maximum contract money and trade value. 

Posted
20 hours ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

Hearing Yze is working very hard go get him accross and he's strongly leaning towards coming. not quite 100% but very close to it. 

This is his last contact. You can bet he is not yet 100% sure for a while longer while there are still a few suitors that could draw improved offers. There is no need to declare his hand yet as draft hasn't even started yet. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

What are you... 13?

Go away

Aww im sorry i upset you.

Please continue whinging 

Posted
On 10/13/2020 at 11:52 AM, Ron Burgundy said:

I'm sorry - but we're not North Melbourne. Our window is actually right now.

We were in the conversation for a potential top 4 spot prior to the opening round. We've just under-performed over the last 2 years.

 

Premiership window now? 

Really.....I like to hear your rationale. Or is that it? Under-performing?

So what do we need to change to perform?

 

 

Posted

if smith comes in its the end of the road for baker, none of this take him under his wing business. baker is OOC next year 23yo 5 years 5 in the system! if we are the side we wanna be and a player hasnt shown anything bar 4/5 games a year after that long its time to go, so if we're bringing smith in baker spends the entire season in the twos proves nothing and is off the list. if baker is the answer or u want him to be play him from round 1 and see what he does or you could actively take phillips who is absolutely more than capable and move onto the next problem position and draft someone to develop behind he and langdon

Phillips is 2 years older than Baker and has played 80 more games than him! baker isnt gonna cut it i'm afraid

  • Like 1

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    TRAINING: Friday 22nd November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers were out in force on a scorching morning out at Gosch's Paddock for the final session before the whole squad reunites for the Preseason Training Camp. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS It’s going to be a scorcher today but I’m in the shade at Gosch’s Paddock ready to bring you some observations from the final session before the Preseason Training Camp next week.  Salem, Fritsch & Campbell are already on the track. Still no number on Campbell’s

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 2

    UP IN LIGHTS by Whispering Jack

    Those who watched the 2024 Marsh AFL National Championships closely this year would not be particularly surprised that Melbourne selected Victoria Country pair Harvey Langford and Xavier Lindsay on the first night of the AFL National Draft. The two left-footed midfielders are as different as chalk and cheese but they had similar impacts in their Coates Talent League teams and in the National Championships in 2024. Their interstate side was edged out at the very end of the tournament for tea

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    TRAINING: Wednesday 20th November 2024

    It’s a beautiful cool morning down at Gosch’s Paddock and I’ve arrived early to bring you my observations from today’s session. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Reigning Keith Bluey Truscott champion Jack Viney is the first one out on the track.  Jack’s wearing the red version of the new training guernsey which is the only version available for sale at the Demon Shop. TRAINING: Viney, Clarry, Lever, TMac, Rivers, Petty, McVee, Bowey, JVR, Hore, Tom Campbell (in tr

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    TRAINING: Monday 18th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers ventured down to Gosch's Paddock for the final week of training for the 1st to 4th Years until they are joined by the rest of the senior squad for Preseason Training Camp in Mansfield next week. WAYNE RUSSELL'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS No Ollie, Chin, Riv today, but Rick & Spargs turned up and McDonald was there in casual attire. Seston, and Howes did a lot of boundary running, and Tom Campbell continued his work with individual trainer in non-MFC

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #11 Max Gawn

    Champion ruckman and brilliant leader, Max Gawn earned his seventh All-Australian team blazer and constantly held the team up on his shoulders in what was truly a difficult season for the Demons. Date of Birth: 30 December 1991 Height: 209cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 224 Goals MFC 2024: 11 Career Total: 109 Brownlow Medal Votes: 13 Melbourne Football Club: 2nd Best & Fairest: 405 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 12

    2024 Player Reviews: #36 Kysaiah Pickett

    The Demons’ aggressive small forward who kicks goals and defends the Demons’ ball in the forward arc. When he’s on song, he’s unstoppable but he did blot his copybook with a three week suspension in the final round. Date of Birth: 2 June 2001 Height: 171cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 106 Goals MFC 2024: 36 Career Total: 161 Brownlow Medal Votes: 3 Melbourne Football Club: 4th Best & Fairest: 369 votes

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    TRAINING: Friday 15th November 2024

    Demonland Trackwatchers took advantage of the beautiful sunshine to head down to Gosch's Paddock and witness the return of Clayton Oliver to club for his first session in the lead up to the 2025 season. DEMONLAND'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS Clarry in the house!! Training: JVR, McVee, Windsor, Tholstrup, Woey, Brown, Petty, Adams, Chandler, Turner, Bowey, Seston, Kentfield, Laurie, Sparrow, Viney, Rivers, Jefferson, Hore, Howes, Verrall, AMW, Clarry Tom Campbell is here

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    2024 Player Reviews: #7 Jack Viney

    The tough on baller won his second Keith 'Bluey' Truscott Trophy in a narrow battle with skipper Max Gawn and Alex Neal-Bullen and battled on manfully in the face of a number of injury niggles. Date of Birth: 13 April 1994 Height: 178cm Games MFC 2024: 23 Career Total: 219 Goals MFC 2024: 10 Career Total: 66 Brownlow Medal Votes: 8

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 3

    TRAINING: Wednesday 13th November 2024

    A couple of Demonland Trackwatchers braved the rain and headed down to Gosch's paddock to bring you their observations from the second day of Preseason training for the 1st to 4th Year players. DITCHA'S PRESEASON TRAINING OBSERVATIONS I attended some of the training today. Richo spoke to me and said not to believe what is in the media, as we will good this year. Jefferson and Kentfield looked big and strong.  Petty was doing all the training. Adams looked like he was in rehab.  KE

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...