Seriously underwhelmed. KK and a Wagner would be about right.

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

saad for hawks' 2nd rounder would be okay

saad for that and t mac is significant overs for mine

if they lose daniher they'll need a tall to come - hell, they need one now, with hooker and hurley both closer to retirement than their best - as they seem to be lacking big players

i still don't think saad is all that special 

Tommy is nothing throw him away. 2nd rounder and Tommy should definitely get Saad over the line.

Saad is rated around 50th in the competition this year according to AFL player ratings. He would add speed and skill to our side, which we need both of. A second round pick in this draft would be a great result. 

13 hours ago, Wobbly Bob said:

How do you know there aren't others we're looking at?

I don’t know! But right at this moment the only reported possibility is Saad. Compare that to Geelong, who reportedly are into Viney, Crouch and Daniher. 

14 hours ago, Wunders said:

Cal Twomey and Riley Beveridge just said hes end of first to early second (so 18-25 range).

 

He aint worth that. 

Saad for Tom McDonald, future 2nd round and ... I’ll even throw in Oscar “steak knives” McDonald 

12 minutes ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

He aint worth that. 

ahh yes he is? he is clearly worth that. In fact a 2nd round pick for Saad wouldn't get the job done 

Edited September 16, 20204 yr by Dr.D

He’s worth about what we paid for Langdon. Certainly not a first round pick. 

The second rounder we got from Hawks will end up being about 29 by the time the academy and f/s matches are done. Wasn't it 7 or 8 of them in top 25?

Is Saad worth 29?

Edited September 16, 20204 yr by Moonshadow

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He’s worth about what we paid for Langdon. Certainly not a first round pick. 

Agreed.  The Langdon trade:

"... Fremantle pick 22 in this year’s draft as well as a future 2nd rnd selection.  The Dockers have handed over pick 26 as part of the deal and a future 4th rnd selection, receiving the Demons’ pick 79...".

The early picks went out because of Academy/FS picks but the later picks came in for the same reason (lots of lesser picks used to get the total points). 

Overall, the trade was approx a high 2nd round pick. 

So agree Saad should be about the same.  However, there may be a bit of a bidding war as apparently North and Carlton are now keen.  I read that Saad wants a five year deal (Ess offered 4) and is keen to play finals.  The latter aspect would put us ahead of the pack. 

 

As an aside, it looks like most clubs trade picks at initial 'natural value' otherwise there is too much second guessing how the academy/FS bids pan out on draft night and trades would stall. 

Edited September 17, 20204 yr by Lucifer's Hero

20 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I'm surprised that most seem to think our priorities lie in the back half.

I would be investing in forwards that aren't makeshift or mid-sized. We're desperate for both small forwards and a genuine beast (Dixon, Kennedy, Darling).

That said, Saad could be useful and an upgrade but I wouldn't be investing so much time and effort that it becomes detrimental to other possible deals.

Our priorities in order, in my opinion:

Elite kicks 

Elite kicks

Elite kicks 

Key forward (assuming tmac doesn't overcome his physical limitations- which by the by if he doesn't no other club will want him)

Outside runner (a bit here depends on baker's ceiling)

Above average small defender (a bit here depends on lockhart's ceiling) - 90% of opposition goals are scored by smalls and medium forwards and mids 

Saad ticks four of those boxes.

Though of course if he played for us we would learn that, like may and Lewis , despite being an elite kick he would still turn it over plenty of times.

But unlike say lever he would also hit his share of high risk kicks from the back half that create critical scoring chains.

7 minutes ago, binman said:

Our priorities in order, in my opinion:

Elite kicks 

Elite kicks

Elite kicks 

Key forward (assuming tmac doesn't overcome his physical limitations- which by the by if he doesn't no other club will want him)

Outside runner (a bit here depends on baker's ceiling)

Above average small defender (a bit here depends on lockhart's ceiling) - 90% of opposition goals are scored by smalls and medium forwards and mids 

Saad ticks four of those boxes.

Though of course if he played for us we would learn that, like may and Lewis , despite being an elite kick he would still turn it over plenty of times.

But unlike say lever he would also hit his share of high risk kicks from the back half that create critical scoring chains.

Pretty much bang on. We don't necessarily need a KPF. A very good small or mid sized forward would also improve our side.

And I must be less confident in Baker than you. I know he did ok on the weekend, but he is 22. I just don't see him ever really making it. (Hope I am wrong.)

3 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Pretty much bang on. We don't necessarily need a KPF. A very good small or mid sized forward would also improve our side.

And I must be less confident in Baker than you. I know he did ok on the weekend, but he is 22. I just don't see him ever really making it. (Hope I am wrong.)

I think kozzie covers the need for a very good small forward but agree that we could do with a really good mid sized forward (though not instead of a big) 

Melksam and Hannan are not cutting the mustard and the best teams all have dangerous mid sized goals kicking options. thoih i guess you could argue Fritter is playing thta role for us.

The jury is well and truly out for me on baker. Before this last game i was also of the view that he was not going to make it, but he gave me some cause of optimism with his best game for the club (good timing too). Fingers crossed. In any case he is contracted for next year i think. 

On 9/16/2020 at 4:43 AM, Demon3 said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-essendon-trade-news-adam-saad-contract-joe-daniher-tom-mcdonald/news-story/de50e9c331e2586a4bb16792dd04fa05

I like the idea.

On 9/16/2020 at 10:43 AM, Demon3 said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trade-news-rumours-whispers-2020-essendon-trade-news-adam-saad-contract-joe-daniher-tom-mcdonald/news-story/de50e9c331e2586a4bb16792dd04fa05

More than an early 2nd rounder?

Wants to play finals so why come to Melbourne? Of course we think/hope we will be playing finals in 2021 and beyond but for an outsider they'd look at 1 finals finish in 14 seasons as unlikely to fulfill that need.

If we can trade him for TMac I'd be all for it but player/player trades rarely happen anymore. If they do maybe we could throw in OMac as steak knives and get a 2nd rounder back ?

On 9/16/2020 at 11:10 AM, Lord Nev said:

So, is TMac and pick 22 (as it stands currently) a fair price for Saad?

 

If they take all TMacs salary as well

On 9/16/2020 at 12:11 PM, NeveroddoreveN said:

May just come down to price.  Saad reportedly 500-600k.  Zac Williams closer to a million.  I think currently Saad is the better player, in a much worse team.  Saad just wants to play half back and attack the game, said to be unhappy with being experimented in other positions.  Williams has more versatility but has a huge pricetag for what he is.  Would be stoked to get either honestly, both are great attacking type players with plenty of flair.

A backline of May/Lever/Rivers/Saad/Hibberd/Lockhart or Tomlinson sounds pretty amazing/exciting.

I hope we get one of these deals over the line!

Who the hell is paying a million for Zac Williams?? No way known he gets that unless he goes to North, they have to pay someone I guess.

On 9/16/2020 at 6:15 PM, whatwhatsaywhat said:

saad for hawks' 2nd rounder would be okay

saad for that and t mac is significant overs for mine

if they lose daniher they'll need a tall to come - hell, they need one now, with hooker and hurley both closer to retirement than their best - as they seem to be lacking big players

i still don't think saad is all that special 

Saad is good, not great. He breaks the lines which is exactly what we need. I wouldn't want to pay more than a 2nd rounder for him though he would be best 22 for us off half back.

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Saad is good, not great. He breaks the lines which is exactly what we need. I wouldn't want to pay more than a 2nd rounder for him though he would be best 22 for us off half back.

I could see a scenario where we’d trade a future first for Saad and their second rounder. Deodoro would lose sleep at night not getting a first rounder (even if it meant also giving something back).

Yes he is the type of player we need  in fact he would be our quickest and most composed  with his long and short   precise kicking. Someone that almost always takes  the game on with minimal fuss.

 

However l  couldn't see  Essendon  being inviting as they are such a hard nut to deal with. They are a miserable lot.  SCROOGES!

If we're trading anyone for Saad it should be Salem. 

9 hours ago, adonski said:

I could see a scenario where we’d trade a future first for Saad and their second rounder. Deodoro would lose sleep at night not getting a first rounder (even if it meant also giving something back).

Not 2021 first rounder for 2020 2nd rounder. That's terrible

Edited September 17, 20204 yr by Moonshadow

1 hour ago, poita said:

If we're trading anyone for Saad it should be Salem. 

Salem is twice the player that Saad is.

2 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

Salem is twice the player that Saad is.

Not sure i agree with that cdp.

It is easy to fall into the trap of over rating certain players from other teams  at least it is for me. I see the occasional game and snapshots of saad for example.

And I see every game salem plays and are more attuned to any errors and poor bits of play.

All that said I'd have them on par. And is suspect if salem went to market he would have a similar trade and salary value as saad.

25 minutes ago, binman said:

Not sure i agree with that cdp.

It is easy to fall into the trap of over rating certain players from other teams  at least it is for me. I see the occasional game and snapshots of saad for example.

And I see every game salem plays and are more attuned to any errors and poor bits of play.

All that said I'd have them on par. And is suspect if salem went to market he would have a similar trade and salary value as saad.

Yeah, fair call Binman. I'll admit I may have overstated the difference between the two but I'd have Salem ahead of Saad.

When Salem has the ball, I feel comfortable that we're almost certainly going to maintain posession and there's a fair chance something good will happen. I rate him highly.

When Saad has the ball, it feels like a 50/50 equation and that's not what we're aiming for.

Admittedly, I probably only watch a third to a half of Bombers games, so happy to hear from others who have watched more closely.