HATERS, BIGOTS AND MY WARM FUZZY THOUGHTS

I am amazed at the distress some try to cause to others. All for the reaction/emotion it generates in others. Mean and hate seems very much an extroverts' thing. When, I respond some stand with me and I know the majority object to bigotry. 

The perpetrators will never change!
Censorship doesn't work, majority having objections don't work, ignore is difficult, confronting doesn't work, law and consequences only drive them underground, perhaps we need “a clockwork orange”, scenario (joking). 

I don't have an answer. 
Though I can see how and why they act that way. Inability to have joy in their moments and the institutionally imposed stratification within our communities. They are blind to the effects of the hate, or they have social pathologies.

Why can't we see the me in you?  If I experience your bliss and your pain, then, I would not impose on the other more weight to carry. Though I often see you as me, (even Collingwood supporters). If not for the grace of “life”.

How to get through to them?
It is not about being good or bad, as that is just “I am better than you”.
How do we help them realise bliss, so they are more in-tune with themselves and so less hostile to their brothers, sisters and other life.

Show more love, kindness and peace, it may help and can't hurt.

Edited August 25, 20204 yr by kev martin

Actually no....lets edit that out.

Was posting about the Covid stuff..

...but this is too important to be derailed.

Please keep on track everyone.

This thread is about racial abuse of Kossy.

I see that the police tracked down the hero who threatened Grimes.

I hope they have success with some of these racist morons.

 

Edited August 25, 20204 yr by rjay

  On 25/08/2020 at 11:33, rjay said:

Actually no....lets edit that out.

Was posting about the Covid stuff..

...but this is too important to be derailed.

Please keep on track everyone.

This thread is about racial abuse of Kossy.

I see that the police tracked down the hero who threatened Grimes.

I hope they have success with some of these racist morons.

 

Fair enough. Dunno why people feel the need to abuse 18 year old kids

We love you Kozzy - that's all you need to know. Stay safe.?

  On 25/08/2020 at 07:53, Grr-owl said:

Reckon it’s time that social media was regulated or put behind paywalls. Something has to be done to make it easier to identify people, disincentivise the a#@holes.

Honestly have no idea what anonymity on social media brings to society except generally ****ty vibes. The only example I can think of is being able to express controversial political opinions in countries that offer no protection to dissidents. But in countries and societies as fortunate as ours, if you can’t put your name to your words, then chances are you just shouldn’t be talking. 

  On 25/08/2020 at 12:33, daisycutter said:

you have a problem, af. you keep slipping in off-topic political snipes in many of your posts.  if it's not dutton, it's costello or murdoch or scomo etc. lately

can you do us all a favour and drop the politicking.or take it to the general forum...it's quite boring

{same would go for any poster proselytising either side of politics}

How can you have a discussion about racism in this country without any mention of politics?

Edited August 25, 20204 yr by Mel Bourne

I think the club have done this perfectly on this occasion. A general statement and a description of the action taken, we've passed the point of drawing attention to the actual content or what was said and we all have a rough idea of what it involves so there is no more need to keep giving these blockheads the time of day. 

I couldn't be prouder to be part of a club and also a community like Demonland that won't tolerate this kind of behaviour even for a second. 

Angered, saddened and disgusted by all this social media hate, anger and vindictive behavior, hang in there Kozzy, there will always be a minority of ignorant barbarians out there. The rest of us love you.!!!!!!!!!??

  On 25/08/2020 at 09:05, Lord Nev said:

I just don't think we're at the stage yet where it's a minor thing that can just be deleted and ignored.

IMO the reason these things are raised when they happen is to build the pressure on social media companies to begin to act. They are notoriously poor at recognizing this behaviour let alone acting on it. Someone reported the racist comment made but Instagram came back with 'this doesn't go against our community guidelines'. The AFL are already trying to raise the pressure on social media companies to be more accountable, and they're not alone there, so to me; the more times it's raised the more pressure goes onto them to actually address it properly.

In my opinion the fact we need a social media platform to out law this behavior speaks volumes. We as a species can't seem to get past this. Eddie Betts summed it up best I reckon, he said "it's no longer good enough to say 'Im not racist' and think that's ok, you have to be actively fighting this" or something along those lines

I was in the " that's terrible but I'm not a racist so it's not my problem camp" for a long time but I realised if I don't teach my kids to stand against it nothing will change.

The coon cheese argument is a perfect example of where we are at for mine. "Why should we change the name, it has nothing to do with the racist side of the word it's named after the man who invented the process of creating that type of cheese"

Then you hear a story for a young Aboriginal man who says do you know what it's like to have cheese thrown at you at school as a child a called a coon? To me that's where we are at. It would be great if as a community we didn't have to rename things like this, but I'd we don't nothing will change.

All of a sudden changing the name of some cheese isn't the biggest deal is it?

There is a fantastic south Park episode that centers around this problem where Stan tries to understand what it's like to be black and Token gets angry, it's not till the end that Stan says "I get it now, and it's I don't get it, I never will, I'll never understand what it's like to be black because I'm white"

 

Isn't mean to start any arguments and feel free to delete if it's to provocative but that's my opinion anyway.

  On 25/08/2020 at 09:27, Lord Nev said:

Yep, all good points (although I wasn't the one who raised the government aspect).

I should have been clearer, I didn't mean what I wrote to be just about anonymous racist comments, it's about a broader issue of the moderation and responsibility of the social media companies.

And I don't think social media companies will act due to the articles, more that once action starts to get serious in demands being made of social media companies; the media, public and documented cases are already there to support the cases brought against them.

Sam Harris's podcasts go into this issue regularly. Anyone interested should listen to the one about Child Sexual Abuse Material, usually misnomed as Child Pornography -- a tough listen generally, but enlightening regarding the willingness or lack of it of big tech to do something about it.

Turns out that Facebook is doing good work up to a point -- questions remain about the level of resources devoted to it given their astronomical revenue. But as for the others.... they are doing fundamentally nothing. There's very little incentive.

One solution posited by Scott Galloway #189 is to break them up and force competition upon the market. That way, freedom from bovine excrement could be a feature that many of us would gravitate toward, leaving the rear-orifices alone in their own little bubbles, salivating over each other's ignorance.

Edited August 26, 20204 yr by Grr-owl

  On 25/08/2020 at 07:46, Redleg said:

There are just morons and dickhe-ds out there and it is impossible to get them all to act like human beings.

Now some more morons want to march in Melbourne because they think the Virus is a scam.

I wonder I how the relatives of the people who have died or are very sick from the virus feel.

On top of it all they will risk infecting more people if they march.

I would get the water hoses out and then throw them in jail wet.

Humans are trash.

If anyone watched the 7:30 report last week they would have seen a young doctor, my friend, who almost died from Covid.

2020 has brought out the absolute worse in people. Racist, civil libertarians, morons... all with a huge platform and millions of bored people at home as their audience. 

  On 26/08/2020 at 06:51, Jaded said:

Humans are trash.

If anyone watched the 7:30 report last week they would have seen a young doctor, my friend, who almost died from Covid.

2020 has brought out the absolute worse in people. Racist, civil libertarians, morons... all with a huge platform and millions of bored people at home as their audience. 

FMD Jaded that is a sadly cynical and "jaded" world view.

There are plenty of oxygen thieves, out there, no doubt  about it, but there are some bloody good people as well. Be inspired by them.

  On 25/08/2020 at 16:03, Mel Bourne said:

How can you have a discussion about racism in this country without any mention of politics?

Well, racism exists on both sides of the political divide... the only way it could be political is if it is institutionalised racism, and in this case it is not.

  On 26/08/2020 at 07:15, hardtack said:

Well, racism exists on both sides of the political divide... the only way it could be political is if it is institutionalised racism, and in this case it is not.

The specific discussion being had was centred around how to police social media effectively. It was suggested that a degree of government oversee could be employed, but the point was made that certain politicians, with their predilection for authoritarianism, could not be trusted with that kind of power. I didn’t see it as any kind of gratuitous political tangent. 

Edited August 26, 20204 yr by Mel Bourne

  On 26/08/2020 at 07:15, hardtack said:

Well, racism exists on both sides of the political divide... the only way it could be political is if it is institutionalised racism, and in this case it is not.

There is plenty of unwritten institutional racism and bigotry!

Whoever made the initial comment the MFC are referring to I just hope they don’t spawn more offspring. Baffling that people feel the need to denigrate others in such hurtful ways. 

I wonder if bigots vilify their own team's indigenous players. Or whether they keep their comments for the opposition? 

Or whether bigots trot out their venom on their own players when they think they've played poorly. It's hard to know what goes on in a sick mind.

The MFC's stance is great. But I would also like every club to react the same way no matter who is being racially vilified. Eg, We should stand up for Eddie Betts and others who suffer from the comments of bigots. Stand together.

He is still only a kid. Let him find peace in MFC and realise it is only a game !! ( Football, Not the trash idiocy)

Some people can be real a holes?

Kossie you are part of the red and blue family, we can't wait, to be able to see you live, runing down the wing of the M.C.G, and slotting one through the goals, and cheering our lungs out when we get to see you take a speaky. 

This is so un-fair, Kossie is a first year player and is just starting to find his feet at AFL level, who ever did this needs to grow up.

#We stand with KOSSIE?

 

  On 26/08/2020 at 08:16, kev martin said:

There is plenty of unwritten institutional racism and bigotry!

Some overt, though I am a bit hesitant to speak for the indigenous. 

As Stan says "I get it now, and it's I don't get it, I never will, I'll never understand what it's like to be black because I'm white". 

Institutional biases have played a part in the indigenous predicament.

The invasion, the lack of recognition and rectification from the problems it caused to their community. The policy of stolen children, reservations and losing the land, the acts treating them like subordinates and wards of the state, stolen wages, inhumane living conditions,  low wages, no wages. Policy of integration, stifling language, culture and genocide. No recognition of different nations but being part of the fauna!

The decision for indigenous communities being made by departments and outsiders, the lack of autonomy and self-determination.

The corruption, lack of services and opportunities, apologies, treaties and constitutional recognition.

The institutions caused the poverty, the dislocation, the pain.

As the ability to improve themselves becomes real then the backlash from some as the people start doing well or not the wanting change impacts through the vile and also the ignorant.

Good seeing the institutions, including the MFC helping the acceptance.  Though alot more is needed.

 

Edited August 26, 20204 yr by kev martin

  On 26/08/2020 at 11:31, Fanatique Demon said:

I wonder if bigots vilify their own team's indigenous players. Or whether they keep their comments for the opposition? 

Or whether bigots trot out their venom on their own players when they think they've played poorly. It's hard to know what goes on in a sick mind.

The MFC's stance is great. But I would also like every club to react the same way no matter who is being racially vilified. Eg, We should stand up for Eddie Betts and others who suffer from the comments of bigots. Stand together.

Bigots are bigots, I'm sure they don't care which team.

Even their own teams players.

the catch-22 with these internet racist trolls is they do it for the publicity and the outrage it causes

the normal anti racist solutions don't work with these trolls

for these types a solution which denies them notoriety, publicity, disruption is needed. maybe something along the lines of any media condemnation from officials, clubs, media etc  excludes absolutely any details......no screen shots, no disclosure of abuse content, no naming the perp's online moniker, no disclosure of the individual (other than "a player at club x") victim, quick removal of offensive material from social media and strong statements that all information has been turned over to the police who in turn give a commitment to seriously hunt down and prosecute these scum

just a thought

  On 25/08/2020 at 07:46, Redleg said:

would get the water hoses out

Halftime entertainment.

  On 26/08/2020 at 07:03, Bitter but optimistic said:

FMD Jaded that is a sadly cynical and "jaded" world view.

There are plenty of oxygen thieves, out there, no doubt  about it, but there are some bloody good people as well. Be inspired by them.

Well said Bbo. Your living up to your name.

  On 27/08/2020 at 07:42, leave it to deever said:

Well said Bbo. Your living up to your name.

Yeah .... well.... maybe. 

I can well understand where @Jaded was coming from believe me. Especially when you look back at times when the Black Dog was snapping at your heels.

However, after you get through that [censored] and get older ......  well you realize that there is some good [censored] happening in the world and it's worth enjoying.