Racial vilification of Kozzy

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Don't really know what else can be said anymore. Just wanted to put it here so us supporters know about it and can get around him in whatever way we can.

Melbourne stands with Kysaiah

And in Sir Doug Nicholls Round too.

 

[Redleg 40,773]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Don't really know what else can be said anymore. Just wanted to put it here so us supporters know about it and can get around him in whatever way we can.

Melbourne stands with Kysaiah

And in Sir Doug Nicholls Round too.

 

There are just morons and dickhe-ds out there and it is impossible to get them all to act like human beings.

Now some more morons want to march in Melbourne because they think the Virus is a scam.

I wonder I how the relatives of the people who have died or are very sick from the virus feel.

On top of it all they will risk infecting more people if they march.

I would get the water hoses out and then throw them in jail wet.

[Grr-owl 1,202]

Reckon it’s time that social media was regulated or put behind paywalls. Something has to be done to make it easier to identify people, disincentivise the a#@holes.

[Grr-owl 1,202]

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

they think the Virus is a scam

Imagine what will happen when they roll out the vaccine...

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Say it aint so....

[dazzledavey36 54,074]

I hate mankind.

#standwithkozzy

 

[Sir Why You Little 36,885]

This stuff just gets worse. 
there is a section of the Human Race who believe it

Sections of the KKK still do exist, they don’t want to be educated 

At least now we hear about it

[Elegt 872]

32 minutes ago, Redleg said:

There are just morons and dickhe-ds out there and it is impossible to get them all to act like human beings.

Now some more morons want to march in Melbourne because they think the Virus is a scam.

I wonder I how the relatives of the people who have died or are very sick from the virus feel.

On top of it all they will risk infecting more people if they march.

I would get the water hoses out and then throw them in jail wet.

The virus is definitely not what the media make it out to be

[DubDee 25,428]

Good to post this and not ignore it. 
poor Koz, just a kid. 
Unfortunately ignorant hateful people exist but hopefully the numbers get smaller over time

[Dr. Gonzo 24,119]

Absolute filth. The only reason people post this rubbish is because they are so devoid of success or fulfillment in their own lives the only way they can feel any sense of superiority is by denigrating others by their physical characteristics. Kozzy is just a kid and shouldn't have to put up with this crap but no doubt it's not the first time he's had to de with it.

[praha 11,226]

These are faceless ghosts hiding behind fake profiles.

The best approach is to delete and move on.

Bringing to attention every online troll is pointless. It may actually make matters worse.

It is a futile exercise even reporting on this because you won't have anyone vocally speak from their own profile in favour of the comments. You're just preaching to the converted.

It just seems silly to say "HEY EVERYONE THIS FAKE PROFILE SAID SOMETHING RACIST. RACISM IS NOT OK" every time some Russian bot profile posts something nasty.

My approach would be:

1. Enhanced investment in online moderation. Immediately ban/report/delete online trolls and their comments. Zero exceptions. Where possible, if account/personal identification is available, refer to appropriate authorities. 

2. All personal player social media accounts are private. Their followers are cross-checked and anyone that isn't a close friend/relative/colleague is purged.

3. Separate "work" social profiles are created for the sole purpose of promotion, branding and messaging. 

Additionally, establish a dialogue with Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Lead from the profile to help develop and improve moderation mechanisms.

Edited August 25, 2020 by praha

[Adam The God 29,992]

7 minutes ago, praha said:

These are faceless ghosts hiding behind fake profiles.

The best approach is to delete and move on.

Bringing to attention every online troll is pointless. It may actually make matters worse.

It is a futile exercise even reporting on this because you won't have anyone vocally speak from their own profile in favour of the comments. You're just preaching to the concerted.

My approach would be:

1. Enhanced investment in online moderation. Immediately ban online trolls. Where possible, if account/personal identification is available, refer to appropriate authorities. 

2. All personal player social media accounts are private. Their followers are cross-checked and anyone that isn't a close friend/relative/colleague is purged.

3. Separate "work" social profiles are created for the sole purpose of promotion, branding and messaging.

Only problem with this, and no, I'm not a Libertarian, is you only need a Peter Dutton in charge of this stuff and the laws become very easy to warp. 

[praha 11,226]

2 minutes ago, A F said:

Only problem with this, and no, I'm not a Libertarian, is you only need a Peter Dutton in charge of this stuff and the laws become very easy to warp. 

I agree but I'm actually referring to the club exclusively. No government intervention needed. There is a legal framework there. Additionally there is precedent where organisations can be held liable for comments on their pages. Clubs (and organisations in general) need to work much harder. That they're publicising it every time they see a nasty comment actually says to me that they think it's a once-every-now-and-then issue that can be addressed with a simple press release, when it's actually not that simple. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by praha

[Lord Nev 13,512]

5 minutes ago, praha said:

I agree but I'm actually referring to the club exclusively. No government intervention needed. There is a legal framework there. Additionally there is precedent where organisations can be held liable for comments on their pages. Clubs (and organisations in general) need to work much harder. That they're publicising it every time they see a nasty comment actually says to me that they think it's a once-every-now-and-then issue that can be addressed with a simple press release, when it's actually not that simple. 

I just don't think we're at the stage yet where it's a minor thing that can just be deleted and ignored.

IMO the reason these things are raised when they happen is to build the pressure on social media companies to begin to act. They are notoriously poor at recognizing this behaviour let alone acting on it. Someone reported the racist comment made but Instagram came back with 'this doesn't go against our community guidelines'. The AFL are already trying to raise the pressure on social media companies to be more accountable, and they're not alone there, so to me; the more times it's raised the more pressure goes onto them to actually address it properly.

[praha 11,226]

8 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I just don't think we're at the stage yet where it's a minor thing that can just be deleted and ignored.

IMO the reason these things are raised when they happen is to build the pressure on social media companies to begin to act. They are notoriously poor at recognizing this behaviour let alone acting on it. Someone reported the racist comment made but Instagram came back with 'this doesn't go against our community guidelines'. The AFL are already trying to raise the pressure on social media companies to be more accountable, and they're not alone there, so to me; the more times it's raised the more pressure goes onto them to actually address it properly.

The message needs to be clearer then. I do actually think there needs to be more dialogue between the private sector and social media companies. And I also believe that the most positive and effective change will come that way. Otherwise we are leaving the gate open for government to act and as you said that can lead to dangerous outcomes. Social media both as a concept and as a platform is too big with too much noise to be impacted by bad PR like this. 

One approach could be a pro sport league coalition in Australia that meets with Facebook for example to discuss the issue of anonymous posting, and the guidelines that dictate moderation. At the moment it's not clear and just assuming they will act simply because of a press release that says "RACISM BAD" won't get the job done. 

Facebook has bigger fish to fry than a case of racism by some anonymous online troll, which in essence is being treated in isolation each time it happens. The message needs to be louder and stronger than that. Otherwise in a few days time we forget about it before it happens again. This is like the 7th time it's happened this year and there doesn't appear to be much pressure applied.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,677]

Ugh, FFS. What a ****KKed up world we live in ?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, praha said:

The message needs to be clearer then. I do actually think there needs to be more dialogue between the private sector and social media companies. And I also believe that the most positive and effective change will come that way. Otherwise we are leaving the gate open for government to act and as you said that can lead to dangerous outcomes. Social media both as a concept and as a platform is too big with too much noise to be impacted by bad PR like this. 

One approach could be a pro sport league coalition in Australia that meets with Facebook for example to discuss the issue of anonymous posting, and the guidelines that dictate moderation. At the moment it's not clear and just assuming they will act simply because of a press release that says "RACISM BAD" won't get the job done. 

Facebook has bigger fish to fry than a case of racism by some anonymous online troll, which in essence is being treated in isolation each time it happens. The message needs to be louder and stronger than that. Otherwise in a few days time we forget about it before it happens again. This is like the 7th time it's happened this year and there doesn't appear to be much pressure applied.

Yep, all good points (although I wasn't the one who raised the government aspect).

I should have been clearer, I didn't mean what I wrote to be just about anonymous racist comments, it's about a broader issue of the moderation and responsibility of the social media companies.

And I don't think social media companies will act due to the articles, more that once action starts to get serious in demands being made of social media companies; the media, public and documented cases are already there to support the cases brought against them.

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

1 hour ago, Grr-owl said:

Reckon it’s time that social media was regulated or put behind paywalls. Something has to be done to make it easier to identify people, disincentivise the a#@holes.

At least get a handle for social media within strict libel laws, once sent. 

[praha 11,226]

11 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

At least get a handle for social media within strict libel laws, once sent. 

These exist to some degree. See "Dylan Voller" defamation case. But this holds organisations to account for comments as organisations can't sue for defamation. The law is muddy obviously here but there is potential litigation concerns for clubs as well ie. has the club done enough to protect its players on social media, given there is a reasonable expectation that their social profiles are public and therefore are expected to uphold and represent the club's values? If the player is bound by the club's values, it's reasonable to argue the club will protect those most publicly exposed to scrutiny and vitriol. As I mentioned above organisations and clubs can't just expect social media companies to act. There needs to be firmer guidelines and moderation internally.

It probably won't happen but Kozzie and Jetta and Betts etc could all argue, "What is the club doing to protect me on social media, given I am expected to represent the club on social media?" Not enough investment in this area. And not exclusive to the AFL and sport industries.

Edited August 25, 2020 by praha

[spirit of norm smith 16,146]

Unfortunately there is no vaccine for ignorance and stupidity.  Education, holding firm and patience is the answer.  
 

Kozzzzy is a champion. 

[praha 11,226]

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Unfortunately there is no vaccine for ignorance and stupidity.  Education, holding firm and patience is the answer.  
 

Kozzzzy is a champion. 

Maybe we should lockdown social media ?

[kev martin 9,549]

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Edited August 25, 2020 by kev martin

[Little Goffy 14,397]

I can't help wondering - Mr Pickett is at work, and Australian workplace harassment laws do cover harassment by non-colleauges (i.e. customers, members of public). 

I don't  know, obviously I'm just reaching out for any possible new way to attack the problem without invoking totalitarian powers.  How do you change the shadowy and miserable corners of people's hearts?

All we can do, it seems, is try to support and reward each other's better natures.

[Redleg 40,773]

2 hours ago, Elegt said:

The virus is definitely not what the media make it out to be

We have another one. Your medical degree was from where?

[dworship 3,342]

44 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Unfortunately there is no vaccine for ignorance and stupidity.  Education, holding firm and patience is the answer.  
 

Kozzzzy is a champion. 

But there are the Darwin Awards................. shame we cannot give out more.